Have you all seen this one?

The more I see these things, the more it becomes clear that something isn't right with an aluminum airplane melting into a steel building.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO1XDjRFjNY&NR=1

That video is garbage.

The facade of the buildings was approx 43% glass, I once did the maths on this, 43% of the airplane went straight through with little or no resistance, it shredded and dragged the attached stuff with it.
But anyway, who the hell would devise a plan where they fake the second impact 20 minutes after the first one with potentially thousands of people watching using an unknown number of cameras and videos.
No planes theorists are real crazy.
I'm a LIHOP minimum for the record.
I think no planes is an attempt smear all people who questions 9/11 as nuts.

> I think no planes is an attempt smear all people who questions 9/11 as nuts.

Yeah, I see this a lot. But the truth is much simpler... they're just crazy people.

People who question 9/11 are just crazy people?

All fo them? Most of them? Some of them? A small minority?

You give the impression that you meant all of them. is that correct?
Are you really saying for instance that the people who look at that Florida classroom scene and wonder what the hell was going on there are crazy?
Really?

Are you really going to take the position that it is crazy to have questions about 9/11?


edited: for sentence parsing, must pay more attention to double negatives

I just want to get this clearly. Is it those who question 9/11 who are crazy or those who do not:

On edit:

I see a lot of 9/11 Truthers make the claim that 'no-planers' are disinformation plants intended to discredit the 'movement'.

My explantion is simpler - they're just crazy.

about 9/11 is OK?

Since you're new here, I'll give you the three minute dump on where I stand on 9/11...

I believe 9/11 was indeed carried out by highly motivated religious fanatics on orders of al-Qaeda. The planning started as early as 1996 and was executed with a not-too-shabby 75% success rate.

I believe that the '19 Arabs with box cutters on orders from a guy in a cave' arguments are intellectually dishonest and not worthy of response.

I believe that the US intelligence apparatus, as a whole, did possess sufficient bits and pieces of information to disrupt the plot, but that institutional barriers, and possible mmore sinister motives, prevented the intelligence from being used in a useful way.

I believe that George Tenet has a lot of explaining to do.

I believe that the whole Truth movement is largely motivated by a deep hatred for GWB. If Gore had been the POTUS on 9/11/01 there would be a corresponding Truth movement from the RW.

I believe that the WTC towers were felled by fires and facilitated by massive structural damage.

I do not know how WTC7 fell, although I do not believe it was a CD.

I believe that the bombing and invasion of Afghanistan was a justifiable response to the Taliban government's hosting of al-Qaeda training camps. The Afghan war was lost when...

... Bush cynically manipulated the events of 9/11 to launch a (really stupid) was in Iraq in a misguided attempt to remake the ME to secure energy resources.

I believe that conjecture about what Bush or Cheney knew or didn't know about the planning and execution of the 9/11 attacks will be ultimately futile, as such things are unknowable.

I believe that people who espouse more bizzare theories (no planes, DEW) are not firmly grounded in reality.

Bush knew.

Simple as that.

Until it's proved in a court of law then we shouldn't concern ourselves with it?

In fact, I believe that any state Attorney General can bring charges if there is sufficient evidence to warrant a criminal indictment.

The only tactic that I vehemently disapprove of is stalking people with bullhorns.

how anyone can look at that Florida classroom scence and not have a lot of questions.
Do you have any?

who has absolutely no idea what to do next.

This is like Rorschach inkblot tests. Everyone sees something different.

Why didn't Card look or wait for a response at all? It looks like he didn't expect a response. Do you have no questions about that?

the relationships between Bush and all of his subordinates, which I do not.

I have read that he delegates everything, and has absolutely no curiosity about anything. He never asks questions. People give him information and he processes it in his own way. Probably goes off to chat with Jesus for a bit.

Some time later he decides what to do, which is always, in hindsight, wrong.

I think trying to parse what happened in that Florida classroom may be an interesting exercise in body language or human psychology or poker playing, but will ultimately be futile because we don't have enough data on the persons involved.

Maybe Bush had his staff trained to never surprise him with a tough question, like "What the fuck do we do" while he was in a public relations shot? We just don't know.

I however would like an explanation of the bizarre behaviour of Bush, Card and the SS that morning, because it looks like foreknowledge to me!

is that Card was informing Bush that the plan was underway.

I've offered up a number of possible explanations. I'm sure there are umpteen others. You seem to have made up your mind.

as to not look "guilty".

Some underling who was not the commander-in-chief could have then stepped in to give the longer explanation of what was happening.

like that would be construed as anything involving foreknowledge?

would look like.

I don't think it was a scripted response because they would have scripted a more normal response.

I also don't think it was a response that would be expected if the parties were innocent and surprised by the events.

about the behaviour of Bush.
It's Card and the SS too.
Bizarre to say the least, why did Card not wait for a response after delivering the message and how did the SS know they were safe?

If his behavior was perfectly scripted, rehearsed to look "presidential' how exactly would that disprove foreknowledge?

how do you know they're not thinking it's "safer" than to walk him out in the open to the motorcade, then driving whatever distance to AF1? Beyond that, what response from Bush do you think Card would have been waiting for? How do you know that Card didn't immediately begin trying to get more and accurate detail about what was happening? You seem to be reasoning backward from your (understandable) distrust and dislike of Bush and presuming certain things you have no evidence of, especially Bush's state of mind. Did he disappoint in the way he reacted? Absolutely. Does that prove LIHOP? Absolutely not.