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number6

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Mon Aug-18-08 04:45 PM
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Jerome Corsi: ..scumbag, fake 911 truther.

Bill Oreilly thinks Corsis smear book is fine because Obama hasnt gone on the factor.

>wonder if Bill O will feature a series of shows on Corsi's 911 theories ...

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/14/bill-oreilly-thinks-corsis-smear-book-is-fine-because-obama-hasnt-gone-on-the-factor/

http://mediamatters.org/items/200808160001?f=h_top

Corsi: Critics of Obama might be "put ... in jail" if he's president

If McCain is prezy-dent-eh won't 911 truthers go to jail ??

and ....Obama's Presidential Campaign Fights Back Against 'The Obama Nation' with Rebuttal Book and Web Site, But Swift-Boat Author's Principal Claims Are So Patently False That Obama Likely Has Grounds to Take Him to Court

http://www.skeeterbitesreport.com/2008/08/rebuttal-to-corsis-anti-obama-book-isnt.html

now if Corsi the Scumbag thinks 911 is an inside job, shouldn't he be writing a book about Bush
- ... who was prez when 911 happened .....

Jerome Corsi , black op fake injected to make 911 truth look bad ...

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seemslikeadream

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Mon Aug-18-08 05:13 PM
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1. Jerome Corsi , black op fake injected to make 911 truth look bad ...

Guilt by association, a slimy practice used by a few others that I can think of

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SDuderstadt

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Mon Aug-18-08 05:25 PM
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2. I thought "guilt" = "innocence" in SLADspeak...

did I get that wrong? Maybe you should consider posting a dictionary of terms with your posts so your meaning is clear.

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Twist_U_Up

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Mon Aug-18-08 05:38 PM
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4. maybe you should stop stalking and harassing Slad.

anything on the op ?

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SDuderstadt

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Mon Aug-18-08 05:40 PM
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5. Maybe you should butt out....n/t

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Twist_U_Up

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Mon Aug-18-08 05:42 PM
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7. maybe n/t

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Grateful for Hope

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Mon Aug-18-08 06:55 PM
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11. Just keep track of this, Twist.

n/t

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Mon Aug-18-08 06:20 PM
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9. delete

Edited on Mon Aug-18-08 07:09 PM by seemslikeadream

wrong place

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number6

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Mon Aug-18-08 05:34 PM
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3. hey look there's an add ..with Bill-O

in my post at 16:30 Utah time ....

speak of the Devil....:evilgrin:

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Twist_U_Up

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Mon Aug-18-08 05:40 PM
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6. "Jerome Corsi , black op fake injected to make 911 truth look bad"

seems theres alot of that going around.

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William Seger

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Mon Aug-18-08 06:57 PM
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12. So, is that a confession?

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Snarkturian Clone

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Mon Aug-18-08 05:48 PM
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8. So a truther turns out to be a whackjob and we're supposed to be surprised? nt

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number6

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Mon Aug-18-08 06:28 PM
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10. supposed to be surprised ?

no, your supposed to be whatever you want ....

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SidDithers

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Mon Aug-18-08 07:08 PM
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13. It's the No True Truther fallacy...

Does Corsi take his porridge with or without sugar? How about Steven Jones?

Sid

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number6

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Mon Aug-18-08 08:36 PM
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14. no sugar, just bitter

his porridge with or without sugar ?

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seemslikeadream

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Mon Aug-18-08 08:51 PM
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15. Attacking Faulty Reasoning: A Practical Guide to Fallacy-Free Arguments

Edited on Mon Aug-18-08 08:59 PM by seemslikeadream

http://www.markfiore.com/guiltbyassociation_0

Exposition:
Guilt by Association is the attempt to discredit an idea based upon disfavored people or groups associated with it. This is the reverse of an Appeal to Misleading Authority, and might be justly called "Appeal to Anti-Authority". An argument to authority argues in favor of an idea based upon associating an authority figure with the idea, whereas Guilt by Association argues against an idea based upon associating it with disreputable people or groups.

Exposure:
McCarthyism was a specific version of Guilt by Association in which an individual, organization, or idea was associated in some way with communism. An association was made between the target of McCarthyism and communism by linking both through some shared idea. For instance, in the 1960s some anti-communists attacked support for civil rights by pointing out that the Communist Party of the United States also supported the civil rights movement. It was then argued that anyone who supported civil rights was thereby supporting communism, whether they intended to or not. Here is the form of the argument: Target Link Bad Thing
Martin Luther King, Jr. Support for civil rights Communism

This can be reformulated as a categorical syllogism as follows:

All communists are civil rights supporters.
Martin Luther King, Jr. is a civil rights supporter.
Therefore, Martin Luther King, Jr. is a communist.

This argument commits a syllogistic fallacy, and many other instances of Guilt by Association commit the same fallacy.

Subfallacy: Hitler Card

Analysis of the Example:
That Osama bin Laden might approve of the expiration of provisions of the Patriot Act does not show that American critics are wrong to also approve, since the reasons for their approval are different. Some Americans oppose parts of the Patriot Act because they believe that it infringes upon the rights of Americans without significantly helping to prevent terrorism. They may be wrong, but that doesn't make them an al Qaeda cheering squad.

Reader Response:
Reader Dale Liop writes in response to the above analysis:

It seems to me the author's point is not that the critics are wrong just because Osama bin Laden might be applauding with them. Rather, I think his implicit point is that by removing the Patriot Act, terrorists like Osama bin Laden will be able to commit crimes of terrorism more easily. For this reason, the author is saying, Osama bin laden would be clapping too, and so that's why the critics are mistaken in their position. I think calling the critics the al Qaeda Cheering Squad and mentioning bin Laden would applaud with them was for rhetorical effect only, to make his point come across more effectively. So, I do not think the author commits a fallacy because the association between bin Laden and the critics is not his real point.
Dale, in logically analyzing an example, it is important to focus upon the argument itself and not the arguer. It is not a good idea to try to read the arguer's mind, or guess his intentions. There are many reasons why an arguer may commit a fallacy: he may be mistaken, he may intend to deceive his audience, or he may be making a joke.

Another reason is a type of rhetorical overstatement: for instance, a person who is hungry may say "I'm starving!" What the person says is literally false, and they know that it's false, but they're not lying because they're not trying to deceive. Rather, they are emphasizing that they are very hungry. Similarly, people may fallaciously draw extreme conclusions that are not supported by the evidence as a way of emphasizing a point.

So, evaluating an argument as fallacious is not a judgment pronounced upon its author, but simply a judgment of the argument itself. In the example, Taranto may well have been joking or using rhetorical overstatement when he called the applauders an al Qaeda cheering squad, but that doesn't make the implicit argument―that because the applauders and bin Laden are both against the Patriot Act, then the applauders must be for al Qaeda―any less fallacious.

T. Edward Damer, Attacking Faulty Reasoning: A Practical Guide to Fallacy-Free Arguments (Third Edition) (Wadsworth, 1995), pp. 54-56.

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William Seger

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Mon Aug-18-08 09:00 PM
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16. Only problem is....

... nobody I've seen, anywhere, is doing what you keep claiming they're doing: trying to make the "truth movement" look bad by associating Corsi to it. It must really frost you cookies that everyone is going the other way -- i.e. implying that Corsi's involvement with the "truth movement" is further evidence that he's a nut -- but look up "straw man" in your faulty reasoning book.

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seemslikeadream

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Mon Aug-18-08 09:04 PM
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17. everyone? What a bunch of.......Please name me everyone.

Edited on Mon Aug-18-08 09:06 PM by seemslikeadream

You should try looking farther than past your nose

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William Seger

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Mon Aug-18-08 09:09 PM
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18. You don't take criticism well, do you?

Did you look it up?

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seemslikeadream

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Mon Aug-18-08 09:15 PM
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19. You give me the names of "everyone" and then I might answer your question

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William Seger

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Mon Aug-18-08 09:43 PM
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21. You go first

Please give me the name of one person you're accusing of this "guilt by association" logical fallacy.

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seemslikeadream

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Mon Aug-18-08 09:56 PM
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22. William Seger

William Seger

Only problem is....
... nobody I've seen, anywhere, is doing what you keep claiming they're doing: trying to make the "truth movement" look bad by associating Corsi to it. It must really frost you cookies that everyone is going the other way -- i.e. implying that Corsi's involvement with the "truth movement" is further evidence that he's a nut -- but look up "straw man" in your faulty reasoning book.

... nobody I've seen, anywhere, is doing what you keep claiming they're doing: trying to make the "truth movement" look bad by associating Corsi to it.

So you have seen NO ONE ANYWHERE do that? I can not believe that for one moment

It must really frost you cookies that everyone is going the other way --

How could it possibly "frost my cookies" when I have repeatedly asked you for names because I have not seen that from anyone but PLEASE feel free to name some names, please. Then maybe I will be able to answer that question.

but look up "straw man" in your faulty reasoning book

I don't have to "look it up" I know what it means and I have seen no evidence of that anywhere, PLEASE enlighten me on that count also.

TIA

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William Seger

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Mon Aug-18-08 10:31 PM
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24. Huh? You're accusing William Seger of that?

> "So you have seen NO ONE ANYWHERE do that? I can not believe that for one moment"

Please link to one posting or article where you see someone trying to smear the "truth movement" by associating Corsi to it, rather than the other way around. As I said, I haven't seen one, anywhere. Show me one I missed, please.

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Mon Aug-18-08 10:34 PM
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26. no I was not accusing you, I was addressing you

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SDuderstadt

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Tue Aug-19-08 07:38 PM
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37. You can easily disprove Seger's claim of "everyone" by....

pointing to someone specifically guilty of your claim. Can you?

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seemslikeadream

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Tue Aug-19-08 07:41 PM
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38. This does not concern you

Edited on Tue Aug-19-08 07:42 PM by seemslikeadream

if that is so important to you so be it

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Sometimes, walking a spiritual path is not easy.
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I believe the grass is no more greener on the other side
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I believe you can't control or choose your sexuality
I believe that trust is more important than monogamy
I believe your most attractive features are your heart and soul
I believe that family is worth more than money or gold

I believe the struggle for financial freedom is unfair
I believe the only ones who disagree are millionaires

I believe in Karma what you give is what you get returned
I believe you can't appreciate real love until you've been burned
I believe the grass is no more greener on the other side
I believe you don't know what you've got until you say goodbye

I believe forgiveness is the key to your unhappiness
I believe that wedded bliss negates the need to be undressed
I believe that God does not endorse TV evangelists
I believe in love surviving death into eternity

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SDuderstadt

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Tue Aug-19-08 08:09 PM
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39. Oh, yes it does...

can you prove your goofy claim or not?

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seemslikeadream

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Tue Aug-19-08 08:15 PM
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40. I believe that junk food tastes so good because it's bad for you

if that is so important to you so be it

...from my friend Stuart

http://www.youtube.com/user/spiritualstu

I wish to walk my spiritual pathway, and share that walk with others who feel the same.

I am a Spiritualist.
I am a Lightworker.
I am aware of Spirit.
I believe in Angels....because i've seen one!

I embrace ALL faiths, beliefs & religions!! In my opinion, there is no right, and there is no wrong. there just "is."

" The ancient tree has many leaves, but all are fed by the same root."

Sometimes, walking a spiritual path is not easy.
I often feel like a drunk man, falling into the thorn bushes by the side of the road, cursing, getting up again, taking 3 steps backwards and 1 step forward, falling into the thorns again, shaking my fist at the heavens, getting up, brushing myself down and THEN...looking back down the path and seeing just how far i have come...I LOVE IT :0))

I know that Spirit are around us always and Angels really do exist. I hope that someday, in this life, everyone can experience this truth.

So....i'm not your stereotypical Truck driver :0)

Love & Light to ALL.

I believe the sun should never set upon an argument
I believe we place our happiness in other people's hands
I believe that junk food tastes so good because it's bad for you
I believe your parents did the best job they knew how to do
I believe that beauty magazines promote low self esteem
I believe I'm loved when I'm completely by myself alone

I believe in Karma what you give is what you get returned
I believe you can't appreciate real love until you've been burned
I believe the grass is no more greener on the other side
I believe you don't know what you've got until you say goodbye

I believe you can't control or choose your sexuality
I believe that trust is more important than monogamy
I believe your most attractive features are your heart and soul
I believe that family is worth more than money or gold

I believe the struggle for financial freedom is unfair
I believe the only ones who disagree are millionaires

I believe in Karma what you give is what you get returned
I believe you can't appreciate real love until you've been burned
I believe the grass is no more greener on the other side
I believe you don't know what you've got until you say goodbye

I believe forgiveness is the key to your unhappiness
I believe that wedded bliss negates the need to be undressed
I believe that God does not endorse TV evangelists
I believe in love surviving death into eternity

I believe in Karma what you give is what you get returned
I believe you can't appreciate real love until you've been burned
I believe the grass is no more greener on the other side
I believe you don't know what you've got until you say goodbye

http://www.spiraloflight.com/images/flower.html

...from my friend Ludmila

Enlightenment is for the brave. You must wake up. Each conscious seeker must be ready to accept this challenge! Only those, who want to achieve awakening, will taste freedom."ZANKO

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Ghost in the Machine

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Mon Aug-18-08 10:33 PM
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25. You obviously haven't looked very far, have you?

"Only problem is....
Posted by William Seger
... nobody I've seen, anywhere, is doing what you keep claiming they're doing: trying to make the "truth movement" look bad by associating Corsi to it."

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"boloboffin (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-13-08 07:22 PM
Original message
Jerome Corsi, 9/11 Truth Nutjob
The second version of my latest YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ_00O3rC0Y

Nobody should take anything this nut says seriously."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x218856
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ResetButton (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-13-08 09:28 PM
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5. What's the point of this ? So a bigoted kook believes 911 was an inside job
How many bigoted kooks believe it wasn't?

boloboffin (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-13-08 09:32 PM
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6. The point of this

Jerome Corsi is trying to stop Barack Obama from being President.

This is a site trying to get Barack Obama elected.

Things that discredit Jerome Corsi need to get out there in the public eye.

This is something that discredits Jerome Corsi.

So I posted it here.

That's the point of this.
{same link as above}
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So, you *still* haven't seen anyone trying to use guilt by association? Not even one of your fellow OCTabots? Are you blind... or just stupid?

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William Seger

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Mon Aug-18-08 10:45 PM
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27. Neither blind nor stupid

You should read the posts before replying, but thanks for proving the point I was discussing with SLaD (i.e. that stuff following the colon in my post that you copied).

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Ghost in the Machine

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Tue Aug-19-08 12:24 AM
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31. I did read the post, so I'll go with "stupid" for you...

"Jerome Corsi, 9/11 Truth Nutjob"

I'd say that's trying to smear the truth movement by associating him with it and calling him a "nutjob"..... as in "truthers are nutjobs"...

Thanks for playing... better luck next time...

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William Seger

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Tue Aug-19-08 12:33 AM
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33. You can "go" with whatever you want

I'll "go" with: You don't read well; you don't think clearly; and you're obnoxious.

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Ghost in the Machine

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Tue Aug-19-08 12:43 AM
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34. Fortunately for me, I don't give a flying fuck what you think...

*you* don't think *at all*... and I obviously read better than you do... and comprehend what I read...

Obnoxious? I can show you obnoxious, pal... do you enjoy displaying your total ignorance for everyone to see? You remind me of someone who's too stupid to even know he's stupid...

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William Seger

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Tue Aug-19-08 01:36 AM
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35. Aw, chill out and have a beer

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Ghost in the Machine

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Tue Aug-19-08 02:04 AM
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36. Make it a Sweet Tea and we have a deal...

I quit drinking 13 years ago...

I gotta hit the rack now, anyways...

:hi:

Peace....

Ghost

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seemslikeadream

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Mon Aug-18-08 10:46 PM
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28. Inquiring minds would like to know?

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William Seger

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Mon Aug-18-08 11:13 PM
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29. "Must... kill... thread.... must... kill... thread..."

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SidDithers

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Mon Aug-18-08 11:57 PM
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30. You just made William Seger's point...

good job.

Sid

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Ghost in the Machine

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Tue Aug-19-08 12:26 AM
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32. How so?

'splain, Lucy....

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seemslikeadream

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Mon Aug-18-08 09:21 PM
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20. "McCarthyism" was joined in the lexicon by "Swiftboating,"

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/29/guilt_by_association/

Guilt By Association
By Jonathan Taplin - April 29, 2008, 10:45PM
Stanley Fish wrote a piece for The Times a couple of days ago.

In 1952, when McCarthyism was at its height, Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas labeled the investigative techniques of the junior senator from Wisconsin "guilt by association" (Adler v. Board of Education). Douglas added that McCarthyite tactics were "repugnant to our society" because, despite the absence of any overt wrongdoing, the pasts of those attacked were "combed for signs of disloyalty" and for utterances that might be read as "clues to dangerous thoughts."

More than a half century later, "McCarthyism" was joined in the lexicon by "Swiftboating," the art of the smear campaign mounted with the intention not of documenting a wrong, but of covering the victim with slime enough to cast doubt on his or her integrity. Now, in 2008, after a primary season increasingly marked by dirty pool and low blows, "McCarthyism" and "Swiftboating" have come together in a particularly lethal and despicable form.

Professor Fish goes on to write about Bill Ayres, who he knows personally and how he was used to tar Obama. But it is just as true for the Jeremiah Wright association: that the Clinton and McCain campaigns, with the total cooperation of the MSM, have combined McCarthyism and Swift Boating against Barack Obama. Obama can be accused of naivete for not publicly breaking with Wright before he announced for the Presidency. He made a point of not inviting him to the announcement ceremony, but he never made a Sister Souljah moment of it. That's part of his character that is in the true tradition of his faith--"He who is without sin, cast the first stone".

But even if he has handled it poorly, what Wright says has nothing to do with Obama's candidacy. It is "Guilt by Association."
UPDATE:The Daily News says an associate of Hillary Clinton arranged the appearance of the Rev. Wright at The National Press Club yesterday. If so, that will go down in the history of dirty tricks in this country.

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