No debris outside the Pentagon

A friend of mine sent me a link to this site that I do not recall having seen before:

http://911digitalarchive.org/

It is not a truther site nor a debunking site but just a digital archive with all manner of things. One of the sections is a bunch of digital photos from people that have visited the site and decided to upload:

http://911digitalarchive.org/galleries.php?collection_id=26

Some are pre-9/11, some from during the attacks, some from the aftermath... lots of really moving photos. I find the ones taken atop the towers and the ones of the large spot lights they used to send straight up particularly haunting.

But, I digress.

As I looked through the photos there were two that I had never seen before that look to me as though they dis-prove the idea that there was no debris outside the Pentagon. Something I have repeatedly seen stated here as well as on a number of truther sites. I don't know if either of these has been posted here before but... here they are.

The first:

http://911digitalarchive.org/REPOSITORY/IMAGES/PHOTOS/144.pjpeg

Appears to have been taken after the collapse. I would say that the hoses (or are they police ribbons... I can't tell) in the foreground are at least 50 feet out from the building and large amounts of debris can clearly be seen all over between them and the building.

The second:

http://911digitalarchive.org/REPOSITORY/IMAGES/PHOTOS/774.pjpeg

Looks to have been taken pretty much right after the crash and again... plenty of debris can be seen in front of the building.

Wouldn't that be funny! ROFL just an oopsie




It sure looks like it's pointed directly at the approach path

And if you zoom in a bit, it sure looks like a vid cam
Maybe it caught a glimpse of the approaching Jet.

Or maybe it's a cell tower. Yeah.

Oh about the Amazing PentaLawn: That is one hungry hole!
At least it's clear that the plane didn't mess up the grass too much

It is not like the plane hit the lawn, so why would it be more messed up then the debris and fire did to it?

since visitors would be approaching by car or on foot, why would you believe the Pentagon would have a camera aimed somewhere other than the perimeter of the building?

crashed into the Pentagon (MASCAL), but no one ever thought it might be a good idea to have cameras aimed somewhere other than
the perimeter of the building?

Are you aware of what the MASCAL exercise was? or... did you just read something about it on some CT site and take whatever they said and swallow it? It was:

"The Pentagon Mass Casualty Exercise, as the crash was called, was just one of several scenarios that emergency response teams were exposed to Oct. 24-26 in the Office of the Secretaries of Defense conference room."

So... it was a table top exercise for emergency response teams. Well... why do that?

"On Oct. 24, there was a mock terrorist incident at the Pentagon Metro stop and a construction accident to name just some of the scenarios that were practiced to better prepare local agencies for real incidents"

ohhh. I see now, it was really for local agencies so they could better respond to any actual emergency.

So this leads you to wonder why someone would not think to point camera's other places besides the perimeter as a result of emergency response preparedness table top drills... I would have to ask in return, how would these cameras you suggest help emergency preparedness?

oh, and of course, the link to actually prove what I'm saying... you know, so know thinks I'm just pulling this shit out of my ass :D

http://web.archive.org/web/20041214161246/http://www.mdw.army.mil/content/anmviewer.asp?a=290

Were any of the 9/11 Pentagon victims participating in a MASCAL-type exercise?


Many objective researchers/analysts think that military exercises on 9/11 were used as COVER for the actual covert operations.
I disagree. I think the exercises were used to help sell the Official 9/11 Conspiracy Theory. The Gov't actually WANTED
the public to know about them because they helped ingrain the idea of hijacked planes etc.

In the case of the Pentagon operation/self-attack, a MASCAL-type exercise might well explain a lot of things...such as
phone calls from FL 77 etc., victims found strapped in airline seats etc.

Of course, many people will scoff at the very thought. That is to be expected. I don't claim to have smoking gun evidence
for this, but I do think it's a plausible scenario that fits with many otherwise inexplicable things.

killing people?

participating in a military exercise?

It was a tabletop exercise! Do you know what that means? Beyond that, are you honestly suggesting that some people accidentally died during an exercise and were mistakenly thought to be victims of a terrorist attack? Can you start to see why you have become an inside joke here?

In your case, it might well be intentional.

Just like the word "respect". Perhaps he should try a translator program or something.

"Were any of the 9/11 Pentagon victims participating in a MASCAL-type exercise?"

Do you have any proof they were?

"Many objective researchers/analysts think that military exercises on 9/11 were used as COVER for the actual covert operations. I disagree. I think the exercises were used to help sell the Official 9/11 Conspiracy Theory. The Gov't actually WANTED the public to know about them because they helped ingrain the idea of hijacked planes etc."

MASCAL was not held on 9/11 but rather from Oct. 24th through the 26th of 2000. Again, it was a table top drill for emergency preparedness, you think such things should not be done?

"In the case of the Pentagon operation/self-attack, a MASCAL-type exercise might well explain a lot of things...such as phone calls from FL 77 etc., victims found strapped in airline seats etc."

Again, it was a table top exercise for emergency preparedness, one of several held during the period though you ignore the others. How, exactly does it explain phone calls or victims?

"Of course, many people will scoff at the very thought. That is to be expected. I don't claim to have smoking gun evidence for this, but I do think it's a plausible scenario that fits with many otherwise inexplicable things."

Yes, I do scoff at the thought because you present nothing to connect an emergency preparedness drill for local response teams to such things as phone calls and victims. You also first made the claim that this exercise should have resulted in cameras but once it is shown what it was instead of what you wanted to imply, I see you back off of that. Yes, you do need evidence and not vague mis-representations of things to imply suspicion.

Why did you do that, Ohio Joe? Did you not read my post or did you intentionally misrepresent what I wrote?

Perhaps you should be more clear.

"In the case of the Pentagon operation/self-attack, a MASCAL-type exercise might well explain a lot of things...such as
phone calls from FL 77 etc., victims found strapped in airline seats etc."

Let us see if we can rephrase what you said:

"A table top exercise to help prepare local emergency responders to coordinate effectively in the event of a mass casualty event, might explain how/why people made phone calls from a hijacked plane and why they used their seat belts on said plane a year or so after the exercise."

A quote comes to mind:
"what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul." - 'Billy Madison'

fly jets into buildings from the public?

Are you saying that it would be important to have a camera aimed "somewhere other than the perimeter" just in case a jumbo jet crashed into the building? Why, specifically? To trigger an evacuation alarm a fraction of a second before impact? To try to prove to conspiracists that a plane actually hit? (Is there a chance in hell that such a video wouldn't evoke claims of fakery like all the videos of planes hitting the towers?)

I have no fixed opinion on where Pentagon cameras should have been pointing, except that I don't see what the MASCAL exercise has to do with it.

"I don't see what the MASCAL exercise has to do with it."

If so, and if you intend to be taken seriously, you might undertake to respond.

that in the land of OZ the Pentagon held a drill and determined that an attack by a jetliner was highly likely. (OhioJoe already took care of your ignorance of the drill in question)

WTF purpose would the cameras serve?

They sure as hell wouldn't stop the plane. And they wouldn't detect it in time to do anything about it. Nor would they likely help in the mass casualty response. Heck they wouldn't even convince conspiracy theorists of what happened after the fact (as if that is a Pentagon priority).

So why the hell are you assuming that it would be rational for them to mount such a camera in response to this threat?

a certain (unnamed) forum. You don't have to assume. It's TRUE. Have a nice day.

Given the fact that you don't seem to want to back up anything you say or have the maturity to admit you might be wrong please don't fee the need to come back to this forum any time soon.

I can't say that anyone would miss him. He doesn't even get support from the "truthers", unless you count lovepg. I know, I know.

Mostly ones who make the least sense.

I honestly don't know if that was a goodbye message or an attempt to respond to the point I was making.

Funny how I can't actually tell the difference.

And to me it looks like one of those half sphere enclosures so I don't think we have any way of knowing where it was pointing.

What you see there is some building debris from the building, not airplane debris.
and some damaged cars.

but there's no recognizable plane debris in those two shots.
or else, feel free to point them out if you can.

NO DEBRIS!!!