Since my heart is broken as, I am certain, are many of yours...

let me propose a truce between debunkers and truthers out of respect for our mutual hero until we have had sufficient time to mourn our great loss. Who's with me?




P.S. Anyone know how to get the EMK avatar?

I swear there was one before, that very shot.

And now I've hacked off the DU server and it's only showing the Obama birth certificate one. Grrrr.

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He was my Senator

The best tribute I've seen.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6392231

in addition to lovepg can join us...

I see you even had a comment deleted for going after me this morning-- well after you declared your truce.

even though I have extended it twice. What does that say about you?

P.S. I am profoundly disappointed, Spooked. What is the value of a unilateral truce?

note-- I didn't go after you in my post on "America's Chernobyl".

you have this proclivity for extreme hyperbole. You also have this yen for absolutely absurd and, frankly offensive (to the victims and responders, not to mention the people that devoted their time to trying to figure out what happened that day, as well as the airlines and their personnel) theories that don't deserve serious consideration.

Since you can't consider the alternative explanations which just make sense, you have to hype it up by calling it "America's Chernobyl", which is an absurd comparison without any real basis in fact. Remember the line in "Saving Private Ryan" where Sgt. Horvath makes some comment about Cpt. Miller's mother and Cpt. Miller responds by saying, "I thought YOU were my mother"? Same idea. Given the amount of time you spend yammering about "mini-nukes" and "no-planes", I was turning your subject line back on you in a playful way. I'm sorry you have no sense of humor.

So, now that you raise the issue, Spooked, I'm willing to make an exception in your case, especially given the number of times you've questioned my motivation and accused me of being a supporter of W. I don't care whether you sign on to the truce or not. Frankly, I don't think you will because you're addicted to snark too much. Found one of these lately? At all?

In particular, check out from about comment #224 down...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=262630&mesg_id=263925

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We had a nice conciliatory thread going here, MMM. Why won't you sign up for the truce?

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not, Bill?

What's your notion of what a truther is because I know it's not what mine is.

Call yourself whatever you want. Or not.

Are you signing on or not?

And could only do good. It might not convince everyone, but would surely be greeted by anyone seeking the truth.

How can anyone disagree?

We've lost a great one. Could you try to stay on topic for at least a day? I am really disappointed.

And please don't use "Dude" like that. I don't want to participate in that slugfest. I am not here to hurt anyone personally, SDuderstadt, OK?

Don't lump me into a category that exists in your mind. I am an individual here behind my keyboard. Ted was MY senator and I mourn him deeply.

Today is not about 9/11.

I think a "truce" would mean that we stop trying to HURT each other. It does not mean that we have to stop discussing the issue, but rather that we should discuss in a more polite and respectful manner -and that we should continue that even after today.

After watching the horrible town hall meetings on healthcare, I see that the way we speak is as important as what we say to each other.

So, my truce would be to change the whole way we speak and that we try to find common ground -really, really try.

Do you know what I am saying?

I want a truce. I want a discussion. I want calm reasoning. I do not want to be called a dumb, paranoid crazy and YOU don't want to be called a fatuous stooge.

We should agree to some ground rules about respect, not just for today, but for tomorrow and the next day.

I hopefully await your considered response.

I long to reach a common understanding because, failing that, nothing is achieved.

For today, I will let it all rest. And I thank you for taking the initiative to improve the tone here. I will do my best as well.

Thank you again and please try to extend the same courtesies to the others. I am sure many will reciprocate (but not all).

Thanks, Bonobo!

9/11 was a nightmare, a nightmare for all of us.

We have all been victimized, traumatized and changed forever by that day. Some more than others, but all of us together.

How people deal with trauma varies. Some hide, some strike out blindly, some pretend it was nothing, etc, etc, etc.

But we ARE in it together and we should try to help each other find peace and resolution.

"We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave, to every living heart and hearth-stone, all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature."

A son of privilege that proved to be one of the best friends of the common man and woman this country has ever seen.

Unfortunately Senator Kennedy was the exception, and not the rule. He will be missed. Greatly.

I frankly thought I would be dealing with his death better. I'm not.

This is, unfortunately, the end of an era in American politics.

Thanks, Dude. Take care.

I'm just about 5 years older than you and JFK was my first non-fictional hero. I was crushed by his assassination.

I was working for RFK when he won the CA primary. I was exhausted from the day and went to bed right after he finished speaking, but before he tried to leave the hotel. I will never, ever forget the shock, grief and the sense of hopelessness the next morning when I awoke. I was excited about his victory until I was stunned by the news.

In the years that followed, I would console myself by saying, "well, at least we still have Teddy", even though that could not erase the deep pain in my soul.

Since I learned that he had brain cancer, I had tried to prepare myself for this. However, even when he was too sick to attend Eunice's funeral, I tried to convince myself that he could rally. Call it denying reality, but it was all I had left.

Though Teddy is now gone, I will always remember the hope he brought to our nation and his deep sense of public service, when he could have just as easily languished in the family fortune. There were never any finer men than John, Bobby and Teddy but thankfully, there are and continue to be others who aspire to their sense of service and accomplishment.

I am heartbroken.

service and their continued commitment to the public good to other political "dynasties." They Kennedy family truly has been our gold standard.

I share your grief.

while others would have languished in the family fortune, John, Bobby and Teddy devoted themselves to the public good. Words cannot describe my grief right now. I am, again, brokenhearted.

c'mon, who's with me?

other truthers. I'm profoundly disappointed so far, but too griefstricken to really react. Thanks also to Raster and Lovepg. Let's remember Ted together.

I don't know the others any more than I know you.

Now, Mr. Dudertadt, where can we begin a thread that might achieve a dialectic resolution to this? How can we start?

But say no more. You can guess and I'm trying to just remember everything good about him, of which there was much more than most.

The James Randi Educational Foundation forums. I get grief about it here because of the way JREF has become a byword among the 9/11 Truth community. However, there are many different subforums there where agreement is far from found, and the Politics one is particularly rancorous (everybody fighting over the skeptical crown there). From the very first, people have seemed determined to check the locks of one particular incident around Senator Kennedy's neck to make sure we never, ever forget it.

I'll proudly stand with you on this, Dude...

I'll stand with Bonobo's proposal, too...


Peace,

Ghost

Anyone else going to join us?

I hope everyone will join, but I can't speak for anyone but myself. I just got in a little while ago... had to go to Atlanta and back today & it's been a longggggggg day... that's a 400 mile round trip. I'm beat!


Hope all is well with you and yours, my friend...


Peace,

Ghost

Should be in the next few weeks...or we could meet midway.

The trip today was something I had to do, not something I wanted to do. Driving/riding is pure torture on my neck & back, but I had to go get the rest of my aunt & uncle's belongings from their home and bring them up here. We just got a 26' moving truck up here Monday evening, and it was packed so full you couldn't have slipped a dime in it...


Do you ever get to Chattanooga or Knoxville?

:hi:

but, like I said, I'd be more than glad to meet you halfway sometime.

I will be at the JFK library Thurs and Friday and the Church on Sat in official capacity.

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free Republic.

I did not mean to hurt anyone`s feelings here.

Our relations to politicians are usually slightly different over here.
Less personal, more pragmatic, and less patriotic. No excuse, just an
explanation.


As I wrote above, before it got deleted: R.I.P.

BTW. EMK also believed we were attacked by OBL and al Qaeda.