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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 08:23 AM
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Orange Glow in the WTC rubble at 3:33
likely part of the nuclear aftermath:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKGOHywFrjc&NR=1
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scrinmaster Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 09:30 AM
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1. That's smoke, lit up by fire.
Just like at 2:45 in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jy_q2w9tSQ

Seriously, "nuclear aftermath"? WTF is that even supposed to mean?
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 10:42 AM
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2. it is spooked's theory
that the WTC were taken down by nuclear weaponry.
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scrinmaster Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 10:51 AM
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3. Haha, I think it's great when troofers can't even get their nutty stories straight.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 05:40 PM
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6. different people have diifferent explanations-- 9/11 skeptics aren't a uniform block
in any case, I think the case for micro-nukes at the WTC is pretty strong and the overall best explanation for the WTC destruction.

http://wtcdemolition.blogspot.com
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Pangolin2 Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 11:43 AM
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29. Difference between truthers and birthers: One group is a bunch of batshit crazy, loosely connected
screwballs...the other group thinks the President is an alien.
...
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 12:55 PM
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32. wow, awesome
another OCTist into the fold here

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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 12:59 PM
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35. When you're arguing for nukes demolishing the towers, Spooked
the number of "OCTists in the fold" is pretty near the population of the planet.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 07:02 AM
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39. no-- demolition is a given
the real question is-- what was used to blast the towers to bits?

I say micro-nukes.

I know it's hard to believe, but the evidence best fits nukes.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:10 AM
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46. Agreed. Thank you for sharing your insight.
You have opened my thinking into new directions.
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Pangolin2 Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 02:51 PM
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36. Creationists use the same argument. And it's just as nuts when they do it.
I think the screwballs who propose outre' theories like (especially like) this idiotic nuclear 'theory' need psychiatric help.

Here's a clue: Pointing out the insanity of the truthers doesn't require total acceptance of the so-called 'official' version.
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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 11:50 AM
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4. magic micro nukes
Edited on Sun Sep-06-09 11:56 AM by vincent_vega_lives
that somehow don't leave behind alpha, beta, or gamma emitters.

Spooked seriously, do some research on radiation. An RDD would be bad enough in DT NYC, but an actual fissionable device, no matter how "micro" would leave such a radiation signature to make GZ so hot as to cause every visitor to the vicinity so signs and symptoms of radiation sickness within days.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 05:38 PM
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5. I know about radiation, and I've addressed that here before
we don't know what emissions there were as the data hasn't been released.

And there have been plenty of GZ sicknesses and cancers. Just that most people blame it on toxic smoke.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 05:59 PM
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8. No, you've amply demonstrated that you don't know shit about radiation..nt
Sid
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 07:10 AM
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25. well I bet I know more about it than you
and remember, we're not talking Chernobyl levels here

and the EPA kept a tight lid on air quality for months after 9/11
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 07:56 AM
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27. I'd take that bet...nt
Sid
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 12:57 PM
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33. well, how do we settle this then?
For starters, I have worked extensively with radiation in a lab, and have taken radiation safety training.

What do you got?
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:05 AM
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41. PHY specialist degree, University of Toronto...nt
Sid
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 04:53 PM
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42. ok
though it depends on what your specialty was and how long ago.

I've taken undergrad physics and physical chemistry, but in any case the point is that I have much more than a lay knowledge of radiation.
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scrinmaster Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 10:02 PM
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14. Clearly, you don't
It seems like you're just making shit up.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 07:09 AM
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24. nope, sorry, I'm not
too bad for you
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scrinmaster Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 12:09 PM
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30. Do you have any actual evidence for substantially increased levels of radiation?
Because a nuclear weapon releases a hell of a lot.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 12:59 PM
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34. high rate of cancer in responders
and the dust had elevated beta emissions.

there was measured tritium there as well, that could not be fully accounted for by the official story.
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scrinmaster Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 12:37 AM
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38. Can you cite anything you're saying?
Anything at all? Youtube and blogspot don't count.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 07:14 AM
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40. sure
there are of course lots of articles on the cancers

the tritium study:
google "tritium wtc 9/11" look at #3--
"Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory"

It's a pdf so I'm not giving the direct link.

the bit about the beta-radiation is here:
http://www.ehponline.org/members/2002/110p703-714lioy/lioy-full.html

note--
"When placed in the liquid scintillation fluid, the WTC samples are somewhat darker than the backgrounds and calibration standard, which may cause slight underreporting of the beta activity due to quenching and standard-to-sample efficiency bias."
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 05:27 PM
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44. Lets look at the conclusion of the Tritium study, shall we?
I understand why you wouldn't want to actually link to it.

7. Conclusions

34{.3} Ci of tritium were released from the two Boeing 767 on impact with the Twin Towers at the World Trade Center. The limited measurements and modeling are consistent with an instantaneous (catastrophic) creation of HTO from the aircraft emergency signs, deposition of a small fraction of it at ground zero and water-flow controlled removal from the site. The modeling suggests that the contribution from the aircraft would imply the HTO deposition fraction of <3>%, a value which is judged somewhat too high. Therefore, the source term from the airplanes alone is insufficient to explain the measurements and modeling.

Several weapons were present and destroyed at WTC. The modeling is also consistent with the second tritium source from the weapon sights (plus possibly tritium watches)where tritium was slowly released from the debris in the lingering fires, followed by an oxidation and removal with the water flow. Such a limiting case would require a minimum of 115 weapons and a quantitative capturing of tritium. Therefore, such a mechanism alone sufficient, which indicates that the weapon/watch source complemented the airplane source.


http://repositories.cdlib.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1678&context=lbnl

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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 06:52 AM
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20. You realize of course
that we are talking orders of magnitude of difference and the signs of symptoms of silica or toxin inhalation is different from radiation poisoning.

You know, people actually do know these things. They are in books. You don't have to make shit up on your own and peddle it as plausible.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 07:09 AM
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23. orders of magnitude difference in what exactly?
and the difference between radiation poisoning and severe toxin exposure is not as black and white as you think, if you think about the symptoms that would be presented-- nausea, vomiting, fatigue, etc.

I know one first responder said he and others teeth fell out, a classic radiation exposure sign

But it's not like people were thinking nukes, so they wouldn't suspect it.

But we're not talking about Chernobyl levels of radiation here. The radiation would have been much more limited-- and mostly hot in certain spots.

The WTC dust was slightly radioactive too.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 05:49 PM
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7. the WTC was nuked
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KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 06:23 PM
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9. Double-U Tee Eff
Congratulations, you managed to find something even more batshed insane than the "Nukes at WTC" theory.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 06:26 PM
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10. please watch this
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KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 06:35 PM
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11. Watched it, noticed that the soundtrack is covered up
If it wasn't for David Chandler being busy telling us how much it looks like a controlled demolition, we'd be able to hear the collapse completely without any major explosions, which debunks the batshed David Chandler is spewing.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 07:02 AM
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22. the sound has nothing to do with it!
wow-- talk about denial!

use your EYES!
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 11:12 AM
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28. The sound has everything to do with it.
You're the one shutting down one of your major sense organs, the better to misinterpret the data.
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lovepg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 12:39 AM
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15. Wow I never saw THAT video. That sure looks like explosives to me. nt
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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 07:00 AM
Response to Reply #15
21. you wouldn't know explosives if you had them shoved up your
nose.
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lovepg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 12:18 PM
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31. Now thats an interesting statement...
Why would or should someone be expected to know that what is being shoved up their nose is indeed explosives.
One would assume to obtain the advantage needed to actually shove something up ones nose an element of surprise would be necessary to achieve this advantage.
Therefore if the person or the shoveee is surprised that would make it unfair to expect the shovee to know WHAT exactly is being shoved up their nose. Plus most explosives are
of a certain size and bulkiness that would make any expectation of it being shoved up your nose unreasonable.
Now it is true you also might be talking about another bodily orifice that can have things shoved up it. But that office is on the other side from where the eyes are
making any knowledge of what is indeed being shoved up it all the more unlikely.
So given this context I find your statement to be as illogical as the rest of the stuff you post.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 02:57 PM
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43. Oh FFS
'33 is a tipoff'? Hmm, in any given large number, there is a 1% chance that two adjacent digits will be '33'. What next, wherever the number 6 appears (about 10% chance) it's also code because 6 = 3+3?

If you're going to go down this route then I say every time the number 69 appears, anywhere, it's part of a secret conspiracy whose goal is to promote oral sex.
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 06:59 PM
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12. You're the first and only person I've heard of
who subscribes to this nuke theory, of which there is no evidence.




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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 07:14 AM
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26. please watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7FNGWsjj_Y

there is, in fact, lots of evidence--

http://wtcdemolition.blogspot.com

this is a good intro into WTC demolition:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtx_GcFCs6c
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 09:07 PM
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37. There are others, but they're a pretty small group.
I think everyone else in this discussion can safely dismiss whatever they have to say, regardless whether we agree on other issues.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 07:25 PM
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13. I never knew a nuclear aftermath glowed orange
It looks amazingly like a fire. How can you tell the difference?

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 12:43 AM
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16. I'm moving more into the nuclear camp . . . "Ground Zero" . . eh????
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 12:48 AM
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17. Wow -- never saw that view before . . .
hang onto the film . . . they're probably changing it right now!

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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 06:32 AM
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18. It's been on youtube since Sept 2006, so they (Bush and Obama)
have allowed it to remain in the public view.

Those government ops guys are slipping up. :sarcasm:
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 06:51 AM
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19. Wow
Edited on Mon Sep-07-09 06:51 AM by Anarcho-Socialist
Compelling evidence. Make sure you sticky this up on the "TRUTH Wall" you have in your basement/NWO-proof bunker.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:09 AM
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45. Interesting. I had not considered that.
Could explain why so many got ill after helping with the clean-up. Easy cover-up right?
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