Shack's new website

Simon Shack has put up a new website featuring September Clues with explanatory articles.

http://septemberclues.info/index.htm

September Clues denies that United 175 hit the South Tower.

simonshack's vids are usually good fun, like the da vinci code, but that one is disappointing
he is not that stupid, so he's either conning or gone round the bend
if you believe the single argument made at the end of that long vid, then you must treat yourself to a presidential speech with three teevees tuned to three different channels
the echo effect is trippy

There were tens of thousands of people watching the towers when the second plane hit. ABC, CBS, NBC, NY1 and other news organizations were all taking live video of the event, plus a number of amateur videoographers were doing the same thing. The belief that tens of thousands of people were tricked into believing a plane hit the second tower and that all those videos somehow were seeded with CGI planes is beyond belief. You have to be incredibly ignorant or have some serious mental instabilities in order to believe that planes did not hit the towers. There are too many witnessess and there is too much evidence (videos, plane parts, etc) for anyone to believe otherwise.

relies on the video having been "LIVE" . . .

The "amateur film makers" also have some very strange and questionable links --

If "tens of thousands" had seen a second -- or a first plane - hit the WTC towers

they wouldn't have had to be dependent upon media personnel calling in to report

that a "plane" had hit the first tower --

Except, of course, W who reported that he saw the first plane hit the WTC before anyone else!!!

As for the second plane, TV also staged call-in reports of that event.

Notice as you watch the network replays that the anchors/hosts have no clue what is going on.

And that in one case, the alleged helicopter pilot which should have seen the second plane

had he really be flying near the WTC, never mentions it!

Watch TV sometime and truly reflect on how much "LIVE" TV you're actually seeing.

it's hard to deal with delusion on a scale this enormous.

not one person saw a plane hit a building on 911 except on television. Why did they have to fake the witnesses and have the wives of producers say they were "witnesses"? Why were no real photographers able to get near the scene (only wedding photographers and unknowns). I absolutely guarantee you there were no planes on 9-11. The networks were possibly taken over by the DOD (there is a presidential order which allows them to do so in a national emergency)

That being said, I am disappointed by the new September Clues stuff. I wonder if web fairy or whoever is behind webfairy is involved.
They are saying that all the victims were generated by a computer program, but there are quite a few who were known before 9-11 so it will be easily debunked. I think there is something extremely strange about the victims, and I do not think there were any plane crashes but this is not the way to approach it.

This is not true. This is simply not true.

How does a plane just disappear into a building like that? Where was the crash? They couldn't show the crash because then they would have had to plant a lot of plane parts under the crash site and they didn't have time to do that.
How could Fairbanks get the top of someone's head AND a 100+ story building (and a plane) into the same shot? it wasn't a wide angle lens. He had done nothing before and has done nothing since.

look closely at the videos and pictures, ignore most of the "no planers" their job is to make it look ridiculous (most of them). Turn off the constant "al qaeda al qaeda al qaeda" that we hear 24 hours a day. Then look objectively at the images especially the LIVE one) and compare to the amateurs and you'll get it(if you don't already know;))
Remove the preconceived notions and just look at the pictures, the most important being what was shown "live" (with a slight delay). You have no idea how deeply affected by propaganda we are. It is a totally false reality (don't mean to get too woowoo on you, but it is comes from a lot of investigation on my part)
Their are lists which document how almost all of the witnesses were family members /employees of media.

I'm a normal person
I never cared about any other "conspiracy theories", (although probably JFK is not just Oswald)
or religion
Don't believe in aliens, the Illuminati, any of that stuff, but the whole 911 thing is so false that I just can't let go of it. I'll pursue it for the rest of my life.

even though you'll be wasting most of it.

if you rule out wedding photographers, and amateurs, as somehow not 'real', and ignore all the video including the amateur video, and ignore the hundreds if not thousands of eye witnesses, because they do not fit your world view, then sure.

Those of us who remain sane know your claim is full of shit.

You live in alternate reality of your own construction.

even at the very outset we knew there was "NO PLANE" at the Pentagon --

and obviously "NO PLANE" at Shanksville --

American Airlines further reported that Flights #11 and #22 were NOT scheduled to

fly on 9/11.

So -- 50% of the planes are gone -- and with them the VICTIMS. What about those

alleged victims? No planes = no victims --

We know that there were NO PHONE CALLS from the airplanes -- FBI HAS CONFIRMED THAT --

Therefore Ted Olsen - Solicitor General in the Bush Administration -- LIED.

So why were they lying about these phone calls?

Only to establish actual victims - actual flights -- which more than likely never existed!


ALSO ... we now are learning that some who arrived very early at the WTC were denied entry.

And that one or two of the security firms on the upper floors of the WTC sounded an alarm

for evacuation of the building -- and that it also applied to the second WTC tower.

In other words, there is a likelihood that were fake victims also at the WTC --

Where is Barbara Olsen?

Why did Todd Bearmer's father get a $40 million contract for reconstruction on the Pentagon?


We should also recall that there were one or two planes flying around with passengers which

do seem to have landed and passengers were safely evacuated. Don't recall if both of them

were in Cleveland, or only one. However, they may have been "just in case" flights should

anything have gone wrong with the plot.

hit the Tower. So if I saw it on Fake TV and others saw it on Real TV which CT is the right one?

"If I saw it on TV, that means no one could have seen it happen in person".

at another forum and Polloi reminds me of Webfairy or whoever used to post as webfairy. There is definitely something extremely odd about the victims, if 3000 people really died in a suspicious incident (negligent or intentional take your pick) there would be an OUTCRY, not just this weird lawsuit that gets absolutely no mainstream press whatsoever - what's that about? Also not that many people took the comp money either, c'mon this is America.
Kristen Breitweiser said that to get the death certificate she had to have her husband's verified by Fiduciary Trust! That means that the now defunct/criminal in many cases financial institutions of the wtc were the ones determining who died. These institutions are not reputable or trustworthy, as we now know. It sounds like some kind of fraud to me.

This is the shit you believe in "In order for the 9/11 TV-deception to succeed, full visual control of the Manhattan area had to be in place. The existence of EMP/HERF technology is undisputable: only the hypothesis of it being used on 9/11 remains unverifiable"

Fucking batshit crazy, woo woo land, undeniably nutty, unsuportable crapola. Pathetic Fuckers.

I'm assuming there's some inside terminology here.

Here, try one for yourself, if you like.

How many car rides did I spend doing these? Oh, my.

Sorry, dude...I just couldn't resist.

We felt really cra-zee.

so who would date you if your wife wouldn't? Especially if your idea of a date is to play "Mad Libs"?


JHF (just having fun)

Although, now that you mention it, it could be pretty fun.... :) At this point in the life cycle, a lot of our "dates" involve school concerts (but pretty good ones now that the girls are in high school).

(As for your question, all I can say is, I hope to stick with Plan A!)

In another part of the forest, there's a new tombstone memorializing a certain pseudoscientific zombie of mutual acquaintance. He might have lasted longer if he had stayed the heck out of GD-P.

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and complain their photos looked photoshopped? I'm certain they'd appreciate it.

Are you seriously suggesting there were no actual victims on 9/11???

enough with the overstatements, already- I put up two pictures and you say I say "no victims". But I've seen a few death certificates and they say "no body found". I also have a few social security numbers gleaned from public records and upon entering them into a social security look up site (not just the ssdi search sites), the results were "number still active" along with a current address. (Someone started the disinfo that if someone is receiving payments on a ss# then it doesn't go to the index and that is false.) Also the agency that did the DNA refused an FOIA request for the results and Dr. Robert C. Shaler, the ME used technology from his own company to do the "analysis". It would be easy to fake DNA results, even so, I think they only got 40% or something. Also notable is that recently a number of NJ funeral homes were indicted for harvesting body parts of their clients. (I'm not saying this is where the DNA came from but it is possible.)

BTW, I had nothing to do with the Vicsim site and don't really agree with it. They use absolutes, which is always a mistake because it is easy to find exceptions. But I don't know if ALL victims are fake individuals, just a lot of the pictures and stories, especially what happened on 9-11.

Contact victim's family member? Oh you mean like Ellen Mariani? Yeah...I tried that but see the thing is, she has up wards of 6 different last names after a peak into her background, so I tend not to believe what she might say.
I'm sure if push came to shove "family members" would appear to fill the void of missing ones, I doubt that was overlooked, like I said, people will do anything for money or to stay out of jail/have their back taxes paid, deferred sentence, you know the drill...
When the perpetrator and the judge is the same person, it's a hard case for a random individual posting on the internet to prove.

why do you THINK it would have said, "no body found"? Think real hard.

My outrage at your despicable scum-sucking post is quite real.

on the issue,and make people afraid to bring it up because if anyone started to look at the victims it would not hold up to scrutiny.
- you remind me of Dwight Shrute (spelling?) from The Office taking up the cause of authority and puffing your chest out, except you're not funny.
Some things are just obvious, like that you have been here 8 hours a day + overtime every day for as long as I have visiting this forum. Sounds like a job to me.
Your instructions on the firefighters and victims- do not even discuss- express outrage at the very idea they are not for real. (Despite that fact that the NYFD as been on the take for decades in league with real estate developers/landowners.)

Jesus, what a stupid post.

How would he know?

Thank you for touting this utter crap.

"In any event, the logic of using EMP/HERF holds water and effectively explains the ruse with disarming simplicity: NO private photography of the real-life events was allowed: thus, the imagery aired by the TV networks feared no comparison and was passed off as reality.".

That sentence is from the main page of September Clues and goes to show how incredibly looney its author is and conversly how incredibly looney his supporters are. No private photography allowed? Really? How do you accomplish that? Where are all the people who claim their cameras didn't work? You think that the federal government was able to block picture taking in the entire area of lower Manhattan, Brooklyn, Staten Island, Jersey City, etc. It is pure unadulterated, woo woo, I did too many trips of acid, my brain is friggin' fried by white out, nuttiness.

How exactly were the producers able to put together the "102 minutes" feature that premiered last year (I think), which was basically put together by footage taken by members of the public that day, if "no private photography allowed"?

It's up on Google Video and highly recommended: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2947888180526230130

We don't know how they brought down the WTC towers because they obviously didn't

show us -- but they sure didn't erect scaffolding as they were supposed to and

dismantle it as they put it up!

9/11 is one of the biggest frauds ever perpetuated on the public -- followed by

two illegal and immoral perpetual wars! The right wing has really elevated interests --

power and money!! And "god" saying they deserve it!!!



:evilgrin:

her incoherence alone. Add to that the fact that she still claims that the WTC towers were supposed to be demolished by "erecting scaffolding" and you've crossed the threshold into sheer incomprehensibility.

How the fuck do you block people from taking pictures in all of lower Manhattan, Brooklyn, Staten Island, Governors Island, Jersey City, Bayonne, Queens, Hoboken, and Union City?

Now hypothetically speaking let us stipulate that whatever woo woo technology that you came up with actually works to block picture taking, where are all the people, tourists, residents, people with cell phones, etc, whose cameras didn't work on 9/11? Out of a few hundred thousand people you should be able to come up with dozens, or at least several, .... fuck it .... I will settle for two people whose cameras did not work on 9/11 because of this woo woo technology.

Just two witnessess! Bring it on Baby! I'll bet you $1 at 1,000 to 1 odds that you can't do it.

First of all, let me remind you of another "looney" fact ...

THERE WERE NO CELL PHONES AT THE TIME WITH CAMERAS ...

They were at least a year away, yet.

And not too many people take their cameras to work with them every day, nor do

they usually rush to grab their cameras when their building is being evacuated!!


As for the alleged photo taking -- if you've been reading the posts, you understand that

these showed up later -- and are traced back to questionable sources. Additionally, if

you've read anything about them, generally presumed to be fakes. Fake video = fake film.

Note also post #29 above where the poster is repeating to you that Peter Jennings commented

that people were being kept away from the area. I'm also aware that Fairbanks and the

Naudet Brothers were "escorted" thru WTC area -- where evidently the film of the alleged

first plane was "duped." And, don't recall all the specifics, but evidently the second

Naudet brother was also allowed into the area and he got the photo/film of the second plane

hitting the WTC!

OTOH, you can continue to say "fuck" a lot and offer other childish ideas --

and hope that's going to help you convince anyone that 9/11 wasn't "an inside job" . . .

but, I think NOT!


:evilgrin:

They are so ubiquitous now that I forgot they were not in wide spread use back then.

dandp "And not too many people take their cameras to work with them every day, nor do they usually rush to grab their cameras when their building is being evacuated!!"

New York is a tourist mecca, tourists carry cameras, so there were plenty of people with cameras. People were home, tens of thousands of people lived with a view of the towers, they didn't have to go anywhere to get their cameras.

dandp "that people were being kept away from the area."

New people were being kept from the area, they couldn't keep the people who were there from the area and they couldn't keep the people who lived and worked in Brooklyn, Staten Island, Hoboken, etc. away from the area. All of those places had a view of the WTC. Have you ever even been to New York?

the surrounding buildings were evacuated . . .

The area near the WTC was evacuated . . .

Do you think if you were a tourist that you'd be hanging around when buildings were
falling?

Weren't there claims that people were jumping out of the WTC towers?

That debris was falling?

They evacuated people who were in the area --

Now, I'm not saying that we know any of this infallibly. But it seems pretty much

how things are shaping up.

And, btw, I'm a native New Yorker -- !!!

And a bit familiar, as well, with some of the movement toward building these white elephants --

We are talking about taking pictures of the plane strike and the immediate aftermath. So no the buildings were not evacuated, the area near the WTC had not been evacuated, the buildings had not yet fallen, and besides that people in Brooklyn, Hobeken, etc. were on a different land mass and so wouldn't have to be evacuated. As tall as the buildings were they couldn't tip over and hit brooklyn.

What does building the towers have to do with their destruction?

that's becoming pretty clear.
Both from people who arrived after 7 am and were refused entry -
and from "alarms" that were given for evacuation by people in upper floors of WTC
which also triggered evacuation of the second tower.

Additionally -- and you will find at least one video of this, a man in a high rise
blocks from the WTC is saying he's being evacuated -- you can see something of the WTC
from his window - I think I 'faved' it so when I have a chance I'll look for it for you.
Presumably, if his "video" is to be believed . . . he says all the high rise buildings
were being evacuated.

As I said, we don't know any of this infallibly ....

What does building the towers have to do with their destruction?

They were built to further corporate interests -
they became "white elephants" -- and for various reasons they were going to have to
be brought down -- by being dismantled. Scaffolding built - and actually dismantled.
Taken down the way they were put up. There were many reasons for this -- asbestos, is one.
There were other reasons. Also, the buildings were very expensive to run -- to heat, to cool.
They were not satisfactory office space, either.
Evidently they were also outdated in services -- communications problems, etal.



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Unfortunately, I can't give you a direct link to this at the moment, cause YT keeps telling me
I don't have a high enough Adobe Flash Player! I'm up to #13 or #16 now, but they keep saying
that. At some point this straightens out, but at the moment ... this is all I can give you.

"scaffolding" could be erected around a 110 story building so it could be "dismantled".

and the surrounding area was evacuated before the planes hit and you think that you can erect scaffolding 100 stories to bring down a building. I think you need to find new friends, because the ones who you are hanging around now are feeding you a load of crap.

Propaganda911

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9VnZ-BMR3s

I'll try to watch this later ---

The guy has amazing powers of observation -- !!!

PROPAGANDA is a very interesting subject we rarely look at --

It's amazing that so few authors who have been involved in taking apart

these various conspiracies ever discuss it. Michael Parenti is one of the

few -- and now Simon.

Interesting that he's also addressing some of those street scenes.

Who the hell are those people . . . . and what are they thinking now.

Especially, the actors. Can they only see some queer version of good having

come from 9/11? HOW does this happen?

and at one point on 9-11 Peter Jennings says that photographers were saying they could not get near the wtc and none of the photographs of any of the important events are by real photographers, just wedding type photographers, (if that) and some housewife from Arkansas. Bottom line is the "live" (well slightly delayed) footage does not look like a real plane, it's laughable. How they did it, I don't know. ... Also, the Fairbanks shot is impossible: he gets a man's head which is 6 feet off the ground in focus as well as the top of a building that is like a third of a mile in the sky, not to mention the few seconds when a "plane" magically disappears into the building.

I also recall that devices couldn't work at the Oklahoma Bombing, but I don't think blocking electronic devices was necessary because as Jennings inferred, there was no access. Funny how the few photographers of any of the notable 911 events who were actually professionals tended to be more computer graphic professionals or animators. (Fairbanks did nothing before or after yet one day he gets the shot of a lifetime?)
What is laughable is what we are expected to swallow (and which many do swallow, apparently) not what happens when people try to figure it out.

ever, which is kinda hard, given much of the absolute nonsense that's posted here.

Why don't you approach one of the families of a 9/11 WTC victim and try to tell them a plane did not hit either tower, dude.

You are seriously embarrassing DU.

to a location where they duped his film . . . ? If I recall correctly??

One or both of the Naudet brothers also got escorted around the area with the second

Naudet brother getting a shot of the "second" plane . . . also if I recall this

correctly?

Oklahoma should be reinvestigated, as well -- obviously bombs all over that building!

Jules Naudet was with Battalion 1, getting used to filming (as it had previously been Gedeon who did the bulk of filming), while responding to reports of a gas leak. He filmed American Airlines flight 11 hitting the North Tower. He then followed the battalion chief, as the battalion made its way down to the WTC site and set up an emergency station in the lobby of the North Tower. While there, he filmed the sound of the explostion that followed United Airlines flight 175 impacting the South Tower. He was also filming as the South Tower collapsed, and shot some dramatic footage of the dust cloud that filled the entire lobby. It's been a while since I last saw 9/11, but I think he lost touch with the battalion chief after the collapse, because he was out on the street when the North Tower collapsed, hiding under a truck or something.

Meanwhile, Gedeon Naudet was back the at the Duane Street firehouse, watching the news on TV and filming the response of the probie, Tony Benetatos, as well as the off-duty firefighters that were drifting in. IIRC he arranged to go with some of those firefighters down to the WTC, but while filming some street crowd reactions, he realised that he had been left behind. He continued to film the street crowd reactions while making his way south, and along the way got picked up by some other firefighters.

(And yes, I know, D&P has me on ignore, but I can't help correcting such blatantly wrong posts)

As for the Oklahoma City Bombing, well duh, everybody knows it was bombed.

to think that "Jules" was able to perform such a Herculean task?

He turned the camera on and kept it on, pointing it at whatever he came across that was interesting.

Some herculean task... :eyes:

Sid

That's the message I get when I go there.

If it's anything else -- and it may be/??????? -- I'd say it has a lot to do with

his latest exposures of 9/11 MIHOP.

Difficult situation for Shack and other investigators there -- everyone is very

nervous -- understandably so!!!

Terrific website and hope they get back up soon.

And, it seems that the original 9-11movement.org material may not be totally recoverable?

I think some of the researchers have their material -- but it's a lot to put back together

again!!

Keep checking back there, I would guess the problem will be remedied in short order.

In the meantime take a moment to register at the new September Clues discussion/research forum. Lots of good folks there (as well as some OCT shills that get weeded out promptly)

http://z6.invisionfree.com/Reality_Shack/index.php?act=idx

Thank you --

for keeping us up to date on what's going on --


EDITED: It's the "new website" moved to another location -- I'm already logged in!!

Thanks again!

The website should become available again soon after the bandwidth is increased.

but it is a duplicate -- and recognized my username, etal --

So, basically the same.

Presume the original new one will be back up shortly -- exceeded

bandwidth for this month?

Don't know if the info re the "vicsim" theory has traveled that

quickly, but could be?

Meanwhile, they're having a grand old to-do there between Simon/hoi

and WarRan -- who has given out Simon/hoi's real id and a picture???

www.septemberclues.info

I'll check later --

Are you posting there? Or just reading?

Btw, I'd highly recommend it!