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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:01 AM
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BFEE Allowed 9-11.
At BEST, Bush's incompetence enabled 9-11. That makes him criminally derelict in his duty as commander-in-chief, an impeachable offense.

There is no doubt the former counter-terrorism czar Richard Clarke, National Security Advisor Sandy Berger and President Clinton personally warned the incoming administration of the dangers posed by bin Laden and Al Quaeda.

Later that summer, DCI George Tenet's hair was afire with all the warnings he was getting. How come he didn't get the info about the flight schools from CIA? Perhaps he'duh warned the airlines or even the flying public?

It's most LIKELY Bush's incompetence was the result of willfull ignorance. That requires no stretch of the imagination. Consider the following evidence, from JUNE-JULY 2001:

Plot to assassinate Bush - reports

Bin Laden: Believed to have a network of guerrillas


July 9, 2001 Posted: 9:23 AM EDT (1323 GMT)

MOSCOW, Russia -- Osama bin Laden has threatened to assassinate U.S. President George W. Bush at a G8 meeting in Italy, the head of Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service has said, according to reports.

The Associated Press said Yevgeny Murov was quoted by Itar-Tass news agency as saying: "Bin Laden is threatening the American president, but we know what international terrorism is today and therefore all the bodyguard units concerned are preparing for this.

"We view the threats as totally serious, but hope that with joint efforts we can solve all the problems."
The Group of Eight summit is meeting between July 20-22 in Genoa, Italy. Leaders from Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia and the United States are expected to attend the summit.

Murov -- Russian President Vladimir Putin's chief bodyguard -- did not elaborate on the threats. He said agents from Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service have travelled to Genoa to coordinate with their counterparts from the other nations taking part in the summit to investigate the threats.

CONTINUED...

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/06/20/russia.binladen/


Missiles to protect summit leaders

Special report: globalisation


Rory Carroll in Rome
Wednesday July 11, 2001
The Guardian

Italy has installed a missile defence system at Genoa's airport to deter airborne attacks during next week's G8 summit, fuelling hysteria about looming violence.

A land-based battery of rockets with a range of nine miles and an altitude of 5,000 feet has been positioned in the latest security measure against perceived threats from terrorists and protesters.

Unidentified planes, helicopters and balloons risk being shot down should they drift too close to the heads of state from the group of seven leading industrialised nations and Russia.

Colonel Alberto Battaglini, of the ministry of defence, said the precaution was not exces sive. "The measure, which was planned by the previous government, may seem open to criticism, but in reality it is merely to act as a deterrent against any aerial incursion during the summit.

"They are little missiles ... which only have a deterrent function to discourage any aerial-led attack and they do not present any danger to the residents of the city," he said.

CONTINUED...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/globalisation/story/0,7369,519925,00.html


Then there's John Ashcan who stopped flying commercial in July 2001.

Ashcroft Flying High

WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001
CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart reports on Aschcroft's travel arrangements.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines." -- FBI spokesman


(CBS) Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat.

CONTINUED...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml

And then what did BUSH DO POST-9-11?

HE BROKE INTERNATIONAL LAW TO INVADE A NATION WITH WHICH WE WERE AT PEACE TO STEAL THE OIL.

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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:01 AM
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1. another great post from Octafish
keep at it, bro
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:10 AM
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4. Sorry so late to reply. I should have put "FBI" instead of "CIA"
I should have put "FBI" in the paragraph about Tenet. Had the Bureau shared its info about the terrorist suspects at flight schools, even someone as "slam dunk" smart as Tenet could see that Osama was about to strike.

Did al-Qaida trainee warn FBI before 9/11?

Says he told agents of terrorist plan to hijack passenger planes


By Lisa Myers and the NBC Investigative Unit
NBC News
Updated: 4:27 p.m. ET July 26, 2004

LONDON - More than a year before 9/11, a Pakistani-British man told the FBI an incredible tale: that he had been trained by bin Laden’s followers to hijack airplanes and was now in America to carry out an attack. The FBI questioned him for weeks, but then let him go home, and never followed up. Now, the former al-Qaida insider is talking.

In March, 2000, Niaz Khan said he was down and out, waiting tables in a curry house north of London, overwhelmed by gambling debts and increasingly drawn to the message of a radical local imam. The imam extolled Osama bin Laden and the rewards of dying for jihad.

Then, one night, outside a casino in Manchester, England, Khan said two mysterious men approached him. “First they say, ‘We can help you,’" recalls Khan. "I say, ‘How can you help me?’ Say, ‘OK, come sit in car.’ Said ‘Do you heard Osama name’?”

Khan, now 30, said the men told him they were working on behalf of Osama bin Laden, knew all about his background and gambling debts — information presumably gleaned from his fellow mosque members — and offered to teach him the ways of jihad.

They gave Khan several thousand dollars and flew him to Lahore, Pakistan, where he waited for instructions in a local hotel. He says that bin Laden’s followers then drove him, blindfolded, to a nearby safe house.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5131524/

BTW: A hearty thanks, Nordic. You're my Comrade in Truth and I truly appreciate your kindness. Working together to spread the word about the BFEE is what will stop the fascists.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:06 AM
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2. Cheney's war games and exercises make it MIHOP, IMHO
Ruppert's book Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil has been out for a while now and in his book he charges that during the week of 9/11 including the day of 9/11 itself there were multiple war games and exercises going on (under Big Dick's direction) simulating aircraft hijackings which 1) led to fighter aircraft resources being drawn away from the North Eastern US up to Northern Canada and 2) caused false targets to be displayed on FAA and USAF radars which in turn contributed to the confusion at the onset of the actual 9/11 hijackings as to whether or not they were real or just part of the exercises. Ruppert charges in his book that this confusion along with the lack of available fighter aircraft caused crucial delays in implementing the standard operating procedures calling for fighters to scramble in order to intercept, inspect and shoot down, if deemed necessary, hijacked airliners

Now your typical coincidence theorist type would no doubt have no problem considering this is all just another of those peculiar coincidences that crop up from time to time and Osama just by pure luck picked the best time possible to stage his attack such that the US military and intelligence services were distracted by Big Dick's war games which (surpraaaaazzzzz, surpraaazzzzz, surpraaaazzz as Gomer Pile would say) involved painting bogus blips on radar scopes while simulating aircraft hijackings, sending fighter aircraft from the North Eastern US up to Canada where they would be unable to respond to the real hijackings and simulating an aircraft crashing into a government building. Having worn a tin foil hat for as long as I have, that just doesn't wash.

Note that Ruppert's book has been out for a while now and to my knowledge no one has publicly challenged the assertions he has made regarding the war games and the affect they had on the US military's delayed response to the hijackings. I should think if his facts were not correct the establishment would love nothing better than to trumpet it from the rooftops in order to discredit him as an author and 9/11 researcher.

Here's an excerpt from an August 2004 speech by Ruppert to the Commonwealth Club of California just prior to the release of his book (all caps in original).

FOR ME, THE PIVOTAL EVIDENCE ABSOLUTELY DEMONSTRATING
DIRECT GOVERNMENT COMPLICITY IN, AND MANAGEMENT OF, THE
ATTACKS WAS FOUND IN A NUMBER OF UNDISPUTED, YET VIRTUALLY
UNADDRESSED WARGAMES THAT I WILL SHOW WERE BEING
CONDUCTED, COORDINATED AND/OR CONTROLLED BY VICE PRESIDENT
DICK CHENEY OR HIS IMMEDIATE STAFF ON THE MORNING OF
SEPTEMBER 11TH. THE NAMES OF THOSE WARGAMES ARE KNOWN TO
INCLUDE: VIGILANT GUARDIAN, VIGILANT WARRIOR, NORTHERN
GUARDIAN, NORTHERN VIGILANCE, AND TRIPOD II. ALL HAVE BEEN
REPORTED ON BY MAJOR PRESS ORGANIZATIONS RELYING ON
UNDISPUTED QUOTES FROM PARTICIPATING MILITARY PERSONNEL.
THEY HAVE ALSO BEEN CONFIRMED BY NORAD PRESS RELEASES. ALL,
EXCEPT FOR NORTHERN VIGILANCE AND TRIPOD II HAD TO DO WITH
HIJACKED AIRLINERS INSIDE THE CONTINENTAL UNITED STATES,
SPECIFICALLY WITHIN THE NORTHEAST AIR DEFENSE SECTOR WHERE
ALL FOUR 9/11 HIJACKINGS OCCURRED.

ACCORDING TO A CLEAR RECORD SOME OF THESE EXERCISES
INVOLVED COMMERCIAL AIRLINE HIJACKINGS. IN SOME CASES FALSE
BLIPS WERE DELIBERATELY INSERTED ONTO FAA AND MILITARY RADAR
SCREENS AND THEY WERE PRESENT DURING (AT LEAST) THE FIRST
ATTACKS. THIS EFFECTIVELY PARALYZED FIGHTER RESPONSE
BECAUSE, WITH ONLY EIGHT FIGHTERS AVAILABLE IN THE REGION,

THERE WERE AS MANY AS 22 POSSIBLE HIJACKINGS TAKING PLACE.
OTHER EXERCISES, SPECIFICALLY NORTHERN VIGILANCE HAD PULLED
SIGNIFICANT FIGHTER RESOURCES AWAY FROM THE NORTHEAST U.S.
– JUST BEFORE 9/11 – INTO NORTHERN CANADA AND ALASKA. IN
ADDITION, A CLOSE READING OF KEY NEWS STORIES PUBLISHED IN THE
SPRING OF 2004 REVEALED FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT SOME OF THESE
DRILLS WERE “LIVE-FLY” EXERCISES WHERE ACTUAL AIRCRAFT, LIKELY
FLOWN BY REMOTE CONTROL – WERE SIMULATING THE BEHAVIOR OF
HIJACKED AIRLINERS IN REAL LIFE. ALL OF THIS AS THE REAL ATTACKS
BEGAN. THE FACT THAT THESE EXERCISES HAD NEVER BEEN
SYSTEMATICALLY AND THOROUGHLY EXPLORED IN THE MAINSTREAM
PRESS, OR PUBLICLY BY CONGRESS, OR AT LEAST PUBLICLY IN ANY
DETAIL BY THE SO-CALLED INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION MADE ME
THINK THAT THEY MIGHT BE THE HOLY GRAIL OF 9/11.

THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT THEY TURNED OUT TO BE.


www.fromthewilderness.com/PDF/Commonwealth.pdf

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:50 AM
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9. Ruppert's spot-on when it comes to the Black Gold.
The turds in Washington think that the American people would never be willing to start a war for oil, so they lie about WMDs. They also seem to allow airliners filled with Amerijcans to get hijacked and flown into buildings.

How's that expression go? "Show me a liar and I'll show you a thief?"

Evidence of MIHOP goes to the events around "20th Hijacker" Zaccarias Moussaoui. The FBI was WARNED some guy wanted to learn how to use GPS and turn big planes. They said "Forgedaboudid." Traitors!

Eagan flight trainer wouldn't let unease about Moussaoui rest

Greg Gordon, Star Tribune
December 21, 2001 FLIT21
Page: 1 2

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- When a Twin Cities flight instructor phoned the FBI last August to alert the agency that a terrorist might be taking lessons to fly a jumbo jet, he did it in a dramatic way:

"Do you realize how serious this is?" the instructor asked an FBI agent. "This man wants training on a 747. A 747 fully loaded with fuel could be used as a weapon!"

The aviation student he was talking about was Zacarias Moussaoui, who was arrested the following day and last week was charged in a federal indictment with conspiring with Osama bin Laden and others to carry out the Sept. 11 attacks.

New details of how Moussaoui raised suspicions at the Pan Am International Flight Academy in Eagan -- and the company's eerily prescient tip -- are emerging from the briefings the school recently gave to congressional offices.

The still-unidentified flight instructor became wary of Moussaoui immediately, according to Minnesota Rep. Jim Oberstar and others with direct knowledge of the briefings.

CONTINUED...

http://www.startribune.com/stories/1576/913687.html

Thanks for the heads, up: JohnyCanuck! Many of DU's best come from the great nation found south of Detroit.
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ClearMessage Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:09 AM
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3. and don't forget how Bush blocked FBI investigations of
Saudi terror links.

Great report from Greg Palast on BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/cta/progs/newsnight/attack22.ram
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:10 PM
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11. The 9/11 whistleblowers-get-screwed data dump
Palast is a great reporter. Here’s the work of another, DU’s own Minstrel_Boy:

The 9/11 whistleblowers-get-screwed data dump

Edited on Fri Mar-26-04 02:29 PM by Minstrel Boy

Some who’ve spoken up, and paid the price. I'd say that "incompetence theory" cannot explain what these people faced.

Michael Springman

WHO: Twenty-year State Department veteran, and former head of the visa bureau in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.

CLAIM: He was repeatedly overruled by high-level State Department officials to issue visas to bin Laden recruits so they could receive training in the United States. Says this continued at least until the summer of 2001. (Notably, 15 of the 9/11 hijackers first entered the US through Jeddah.) Springman protested.

RESULT: Fired. Springman says he believes that the victims of 9/11 "may have been sacrificed in order to further wider US geopolitical objectives."
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=104&row=1
http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2002/02/521.shtml



Sibel Edmonds

WHO: FBI translator

CLAIM: That a Turkish "spy ring" operated in the translation department with the apparent protection of FBI brass, falsifying intercepts containing explicit, actionable warnings of 9/11. That members of this ring were involved with the subjects of the intercepts. And that high-ranking officials asked her to falsify her translations and bribed her to keep quiet.

RESULT: Fired. After taking concerns to upper management, was dismissed with only one reason offered: "for the convenience of the government." Escorted from building by agents who said "We will be watching you and listening to you. If you dare to consult an attorney who is not approved by the FBI, or if you take this issue outside the FBI to the Senate, the next time I see you, it will be in jail." Told by John Ashcroft that he was invoking "State Secret Privilege and National Security" to keep what she knows from reaching the public.
http://www.thememoryhole.org/spy/edmonds.htm

http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=8516

http://tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=50


Robert Wright

WHO: FBI special investigator

CLAIM: That FBI agents assigned to intelligence operations actually protect terrorists from investigation and prosecution. That the FBI shut down his probe into terrorist training camps, and he was removed from a money-laundering case that had a direct link to terrorism. Says the FBI "intentionally and repeatedly thwarted his attempts to launch a more comprehensive investigation to identify and neutralize terrorists."

RESULT: Suspended and ordered to remain silent. Subject of at least three internal FBI investigations. Has written a book that the FBI is not only refusing to allow publication, but is not permitting anyone to even see it.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_2469.shtml

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/37/news-crogan.php



Lt. Col. Steve Butler

WHO: Vice Chancellor for student affairs, Defense Language Institute in Monterey.

CLAIM: In a letter to the editor of a local paper, Butler wrote "Bush knew of the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism. What is...contemptible is the President of the United States not telling the American people what he knows for political gain." During Butler’s term as chancellor, 9/11 hijacker Saeed Alghamdi was enrolled at the Defense Language Institute.

RESULT: Disciplined, lost his position and threatened with court martial.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mcherald/3406502.htm

http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/06.06E.butler.bush.htm

http://raleigh.craigslist.org/com/21220698.html



Indira Singh

WHO: "Risk architect" consultant to JP Morgan Chase.

CLAIM: That Ptech, a software company founded by a Saudi financier on the terrorist watch list, had troubling access to sensitive US institutions, which was apparently of no concern to the institutions involved or the FBI. For instance, a "person of interest" from Ptech “had a team in the basement of the FAA for two years” before 9/11. One of Ptech’s projects gained it access to "all information processes and issues that the FAA had with the National Airspace Systems Agency."

RESULT: Warnings went ignored by institutions and the FBI. Told to keep quiet. Subject to surveillance and threats.

http://www.madcowprod.com/index45.html



Colleen Rowley

WHO: FBI field agent, Minnesota office.

CLAIM: That FBI head office perversely thwarted the investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui, throwing up unusual roadblocks which prevented exposing the terrorist use of flight schools in the summer of 2001. That Dave Frasca of the Radical Fundamentalism Unit altered her report, rendering it impossible for the FBI to pursue the matter further.

RESULT: After 9/11, Frasca – the senior official who altered Rowley’s report and sat on the Minnesota office's request to investigate flight schools, even though he had received a similar request from the Phoenix office – is promoted and commended.

http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020603/memo.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MOO208B.html



John O’Neil

WHO: Former FBI head of antiterrorism.

CLAIM: That his investigations into al Qaeda in general and the Cole bombing in particular were subverted by senior officials, and the situation had become much worse under Bush. Authorisation to re-enter Yemen to investigate the Cole denied by US Ambassador Barbara Bodine. Quit the FBI under a cloud.

RESULT: Killed in the World Trade Center.

http://www.hereinreality.com/johnoneill.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/


Lots o’ links and resources at the original source:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1293947

Most Important: A hearty welcome to DU, ClearMessage! Bring along some friends! The more the merrier, if not safer.
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:49 AM
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5. Nice compilation
There are still people (like one of my co-workers) who don't know that there are some "tiny" holes in the official story. This post would be a good start to read.

And as long you do not publish stuff like that so that a very big audience will read it (as a journalist in a newspaper), you won't be suicided...



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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:43 AM
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6. We have the greatest weapon in a Democracy, if only we would use it.

The TRUTH.

Unfortunately, the powers-that-be no longer even pretend that America is a Democracy.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:44 AM
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7. The sky is blue on a sunny day
Gravity makes things fall to earth.

etc.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:17 PM
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13. Do you have a link?
If so, I'll make sure to bookmark. Here's something that must be "news" to somebody (after all, it wasn't on my television screen):

Was it an ‘intelligence failure’ to give red carpet treatment to the ‘money man’ behind the 9-11 terrorists, or was it simply ‘routine’?

On the morning of September 11, Pakistan's Chief Spy General Mahmoud Ahmad, the alleged "money-man" behind the 9-11 hijackers, was at a breakfast meeting on Capitol Hill hosted by Senator Bob Graham and Rep. Porter Goss, the chairmen of the Senate and House Intelligence committees.

"When the news came, the two Florida lawmakers who lead the House and Senate intelligence committees were having breakfast with the head of the Pakistani intelligence service. Rep. Porter Goss, R-Sanibel, Sen. Bob Graham and other members of the House Intelligence Committee were talking about terrorism issues with the Pakistani official when a member of Goss' staff handed a note to Goss, who handed it to Graham. "We were talking about terrorism, specifically terrorism generated from Afghanistan," Graham said.

(...)

Mahmoud Ahmad, director general of Pakistan's intelligence service, was "very empathetic, sympathetic to the people of the United States," Graham said.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO206A.html

Isn't reading great?

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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:45 AM
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8. What "allowed"? They orchestrated the HIRING of the 19 hijackers...
they bought and paid for 911 to take place.

There is no doubt in my mind, whatsoever.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:26 PM
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15. More Reichstagfeuer than Pearl Harbor
Agree with you since September 11, 2001, radwriter0555! One of my best friends told my wife a few months later that he was worried about my mental health. Then we learned about the Crawford CIA briefing... Oh well. Here's Hermes-Press:

The Nazification of America - Phase III

EXCERPT...

On the night the German Parliament Building--the Reichstag-- burned down, Hitler was at Goebbels's apartment having dinner. They rushed to the scene where they met Göring who was already screaming false charges and making threats against the Communists. At first glance, Hitler described the fire as a beacon from heaven. "You are now witnessing the beginning of a great epoch in German history. . . This fire is the beginning," Hitler told a news reporter at the scene.

SNIP...

When the Word Trade Center and the Pentagon were attacked, Bush was listening to Florida grade school children read. When informed of the attack by his associates, he continued listening. He then flew to a security bunker in Nebraska before finally returning to the White House.

No military aircraft had been scrambled to intercept the four hijacked planes, though there was plenty of time to do so.


CONTINUED...

http://www.new-enlightenment.com/nazification_step4.htm
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:59 AM
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:11 PM
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12. Good one. Do you think facts are "stupid things," too?
"Just as sad as the ring wing Black helicopters.

Go back to sleep."

LMFAO.

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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:25 PM
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14. Wow, that was so clever and covert. I think it worked.
Now everyone will just forget about all the evidence and do as you say and go to sleep. You are sooooo smart. This technique will probably work on all suspicious things. Brilliant and respected posters can just come on and make tired old "black helicopter", and don't forget the "tinfoil hat", commennts and all of us will just melt away into the pleasures of buying useless shit.

You are one of the most brilliant posters ever. You should write a book on persuasion, you are that good. Are there any more things you would like us to forget about? Just cast your magic black helicopter wand and we will forget it like a bad dream and rush down to the store and buy some unneccesary peice of shit.

Fucking brilliant.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:26 PM
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16. Don't this belong in the 9/11 forum?
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:44 PM
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17. Don't worry. If it catches fire, the thread will be moved
because conspiracy theories make DU look bad...
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 02:34 PM
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19. ain't that the truth.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:18 PM
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20. Don't we not want to be unreasonable?
Whatever that means. As you and all good DUers know, some things must be made plain and clear for all to see.

When it comes to 9-11, there is ample evidence supporting Bush's pre-knowledge. The reason for posting it here is that most DUers may find it of interest for their friends who may not be part of DU. Perhaps that way, the Truth can get to the average American , who's certainly not learning about it from ABCNNBCBSFauxNoiseNutwork or even The New York Times.

Here are a few dots DimSon failed to notice:

Re: 9/11 — Bush-Cheney-Rice
What They Knew & When They Knew It


Bob Zimmerman
© http://anarchistblackcross.org

Bush, Cheney, and Rice knew 9/11 was imminent; they had intelligence warnings describing al Qaeda’s plan to use our commercial jets to attack the World Trade Center and Washington, D.C. The highest levels of the Bush administration repeatedly and intentionally lied about what they knew and when they knew it. The Bush administration failed to take appropriate action on numerous actionable intelligence reports and briefings, including a highly classified presidential daily briefing memo (PDB) dated August 6, 2001 entitled Bin Laden Determined to Strike inside the U.S. That PDB contained much “actionable intelligence,” including information about active al Qaeda cells in the U.S. and the training of prospective terrorists at military and commercial flight schools—high-level U.S. State Department permission is required for civilian pilot training at military flight schools. Why was such permission granted to the terrorists?

Bush, Cheney, and Rice chose to ignore the al Qaeda threat warnings; they failed to task and follow-up with the FBI and the CIA; and it is uncontested that they intentionally failed to warn and protect the American people. Prior to 9/11, only privileged government personnel like Attorney General Ashcroft were warned to avoid air travel; the AG cancelled his air travel plans; but the American people were not alerted; the American people were left fully exposed to the al Qaeda attack and 3,000 people were murdered.

Privileged government personnel were warned to avoid air travel, but the American people were left exposed to al Qaeda and 3,000 people were murdered.

The post-9/11 evidentiary record clearly shows presidential gross negligence, and perhaps even complicity in 9/11. The slowly unfolding tale of what really happened on and before 9/11 is an overwhelming tale of governmental dysfunction or worse. Why did Bush, Cheney, and Rice deliberately and repeatedly lie to us saying they had received no warnings that a 9/11-type attack was imminent? Why have they spent 2 ½ years deliberately covering up what really happened on and before 9/11? Was it because high-level Bush policy formulators had previously prepared the infamous Project for a New American Century (PNAC) policy initiative suggesting that America needed another Pearl Harbor before it could launch a War of Terror on the world?

The Bush-Cheney-Rice cover-up of what really happened on 9/11 is steadily unraveling. The American people are intent on learning precisely what Bush, Cheney, and Rice knew about 9/11, and when they knew it. Yet for over two-years the Bush administration stalled every inquiry. Bush and Cheney opted for strict secrecy. They refused to testify and refused to let Rice testify before the official 9/11 investigating commission. Why were Bush and Cheney afraid to let Rice testify under oath? Why do Bush and Cheney refuse to testify under oath? Why has Bush refused to release nearly 70 documents that promise to shed even more light on what really happened on and before 9/11? Why did it take over two years of begging by the wives of the victims of 9/11 before Bush acceded to an official investigating commission? Why is Bush afraid to testify before the commission without Cheney holding his hand? Why, knowing that 9/11 was imminent, did the highest levels of the Bush administration do nothing to alert and protect us? Was the Bush administration complicit in the attack? If so, many in the Bush administration, including Bush, Cheney, and Rice deserve long prison sentences.

CONTINUED with most excellent listing of dots...


http://weholdthesetruths.org/conspiracy/Articles/9-11%20zimmerman.htm
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #19
21. Oops. See my reply to original post.
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 06:35 PM by Carl Brennan
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:01 PM
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18. Defense budget practices probed
Analysis: Defense budget practices probed
Thursday, 02-Oct-2003 10:00AM PDT Story from United Press International
Copyright 2003 by United Press International (via ClariNet)

MIAMI, Oct. 2 (UPI) --

Zakheim said, however, he was limited in his response because of the ongoing audit of the issue, which originally was sparked by a telephone call to the Pentagon's Defense Hotline.


"Our objective will be to review the allegations to the Defense Hotline concerning funds 'parked' at the U.S. Special Operations Command by the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller)," said a letter from the inspector general's office to Gen. Charles Holland, who has since retired as Special Operations commander.

Among several documents The St. Petersburg Times obtained during its investigation was e-mail sent by Special Operations Command Comptroller Elaine Kingston to colleagues in February 2002.
She said an unidentified official in the Pentagon comptroller's office had asked her if the command could "park" $40 million of research-and-development money in its proposed budget for the 2003 fiscal year.


The programs where the money was placed included missile warning systems on aircraft, infrared equipment on helicopters and radar system. The amounts ranged from $2 million to $5 million.
Kingston said in the e-mail message she coached her colleagues on how to account for the money and avoid attracting congressional attention to it.

"We are doing a favor for the OSD (Office of the Secretary of Defense) which we hope will benefit the command if we should need additional (research and development funds)," the message said.
Young said at the hearing on President Bush's request for $87 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan Tuesday that he wants to know if it is a common practice.

Young is clearly not finished and called it "an obvious attempt to keep from Congress what was happening. I think that would make you suspicious. It makes me a little suspicious."

more
http://quickstart.clari.net/qs_se/webnews/wed/dp/Uus-defense-young-analysis.RUt1_DO2.html

Dov S. Zakheim to Resign from the Department of Defense
March 24, 2004
In this position, Zakheim initiated an enterprise architecture to achieve a vision of simpler budget processes, activity-based costing, and a clean audit by 2007. He oversaw three Department of Defense budgets, each totaling more than $300 billion, and recently proposed a 2005 budget of $401.7 billion. He played a leading role in raising in excess of $13 billion for the reconstruction of Iraq, and walked through six wartime supplementals in support of operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. He further created the Defense Business Board and worked closely with the Office of Management and Budget and the Government Accounting Office on financial management affairs.

“I am proud to have been part of President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld's senior Pentagon team for the past three years,” said Zakheim reflecting on his tour. “It has been an exhilarating, albeit extremely demanding experience. Even as we have addressed the many concerns arising out of the War on Terror and Operations Enduring Freedom, Noble Eagle and Iraqi Freedom, including winning both military and financial support from the international community for operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, we have also tended to ongoing budget needs to support our forces and defense civilians at home and abroad. We have also made great strides in rectifying the department's antiquated financial management system; we continue to anticipate that DoD will receive clean audits in the not too distant future.”

Regarding Zakheim’s resignation, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said, “Dov Zakheim has been a cornerstone to the Department of Defense over the past three years. He has been a leader in helping transform the Department to better address the needs of the 21st century. I thank him for his commitment and his counsel. He will be missed.”

Zakheim was sworn in to his current position May 4, 2001. Prior to that, his government service included a number of key positions, to include from 1985 until March 1987, as the deputy under secretary of defense for planning and resources in the office of the under secretary of defense (policy). He also held a variety of other Department of Defense posts from 1981-1985 and served with the National Security and International Affairs Division of the Congressional Budget Office.

During other periods of Zakheim’s career, he served as a senior foreign policy advisor to then-Gov. Bush, during the 2000 presidential campaign. Prior to that, he was the corporate vice president of System Planning Corporation (SPC), a technology, research and analysis firm. He also served as chief executive officer of SPC International Corp., a subsidiary specializing in political, military and economical consulting.
more
http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/m-news+article+storyid-635.html
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #18
24. Grand old profiteering
The CEO of SPC



Dr. Dov Zakheim has been nominated to serve as Under Secretary of Defense and Comptroller. He is presently the CEO of SPC International, and in the past he has served as Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Planning and Resources as well as in a variety of Defense Department positions under former President Reagan. He was a member of the Task Force on Defense Reform under then-Secretary of Defense William Cohen and in February of 2000 he was appointed to the Defense Science Board Task Force on the Impact of DoD Acquisition Policies on the Health of the Defense Industry. He has received the Department of Defense Distinguished Public Service Medal; the Bronze Palm to the DoD Distinguished Public Service Medal and the CBO Director's Award for Outstanding Service. A New York native, Dr. Zakheim is a graduate of Columbia University and has also studied at the London School of Economics. He received his doctorate degree from St. Anthony's College at Oxford University.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/20010212-2.html

It was an SPC subsidiary, TRIDATA CORPORATION, that oversaw the investigation after the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in 1993.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml


In a report to the DoD comptroller, Undersecretary of Defense Dov Zakheim, acting Assistant Inspector General for Auditing David Steensma wrote: "We reported that DOD processed $1.1 trillion in unsupported accounting entries to DOD Component financial data used to prepare departmental reports and DOD financial statements for FY2000. For FY2001 we did not attempt to quantify amounts of unsupported accounting entries; however, we did confirm that DOD continued to enter material amounts of unsupported accounting entries to the financial data."

What this gibberish means is that the DoD still cannot account for at least $1.1 trillion from fiscal 2000 under former president Bill Clinton, and the assistant inspector general of DOD wouldn't even touch the unsupported money expenditures for fiscal 2001 because "material amounts" still couldn't be accounted for properly in the year George W. Bush came to power. The trillion-dollar question is how much is "material amounts"? Because the auditor would not "quantify" the amount, some fear it's worse than the previous year's unaccounted for $1.1 trillion.

Of course the Department of the Army, headed by former Enron executive Thomas White, had an excuse. In a shocking appeal to sentiment it says it didn't publish a "stand-alone" financial statement for 2001 because of "the loss of financial-management personnel sustained during the Sept. 11 terrorist attack."

So where is that missing $1.1 trillion? Traditionally the top dogs at the Pentagon haven't liked the word "missing." The rationale at DoD has been that just because the money can't be accounted for doesn't mean it is lost, stolen or strayed. According to Susan Hansen, a spokeswoman for DoD: "These are unsupported entries. When the auditors go to audit the books and they look at the balance sheet for the year, someone has entered in an adjustment because they made an error somewhere."
more
http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=detail&storyid=246188

Grand old profiteering
By Joe Conason

Yet even Allbaugh is small-time compared to the latest defector to the private sector, Pentagon comptroller Dov Zakheim, who announced two weeks ago that he will be leaving for a partnership at Booz Allen Hamilton, the technology and management strategy giant that is one of the nation's biggest defense contractors. Although Zakheim is not nearly as familiar as Condoleezza Rice, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, or Defense Policy Board member Richard Perle, he too has been identified as one of the ultrahawkish "Vulcans" who shaped Bush foreign and military policy from its earliest days. Zakheim has bustled through the revolving doors before, serving as a deputy undersecretary of defense during the Reagan administration, where he worked for Perle before leaving government to join a missile-defense contractor.

At the mammoth Booz Allen firm, Zakheim will join R. James Woolsey, the former director of central intelligence and Perle associate on the Bush Defense Policy Board. These were the defense intellectuals who favored invading Iraq long before Sept. 11 -- and long before any U.N. resolutions on the topic were introduced.
So far Booz Allen has yet to win any major Iraq contracts of its own, although it has shared Pentagon boodle for several years with Kellogg Brown & Root, the Halliburton subsidiary that is by far the biggest contractor out there. (At a recent hearing on Halliburton's scandal-scarred performance in Iraq, Zakheim did his best to defend the vice president's old company. "They're not doing a great job," he shrugged, "but they're not doing a terrible job.")

Booz Allen swiftly jumped on the Baghdad bandwagon last May, when it co-sponsored (with the Republican-connected insurance giant American International Group) a postwar conference on "The Challenges for Business in Rebuilding Iraq" that featured speeches by Woolsey and Undersecretary of Defense Zakheim. (The price of admission for industry executives ranged from $528 to $1,100 a head.) Included was the chance for executives to participate in a "not-for-attribution session that will permit a dynamic, frank exchange of views on the opportunities and challenges businesses will face in post-conflict Iraq."

More recently, Booz Allen was listed as a partner in a controversial $327 million contract to outfit the new Iraqi army. The prime contractor in this murky deal was Nour America Inc., which on closer inspection turned out to be controlled by a close associate of Ahmad Chalabi, the dubious former exile promoted by Perle, Woolsey and their ideological associates as the best possible leader for Iraq after Saddam. Chalabi is a leading member of the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council and enjoys enormous influence inside the Defense Department, which issued the Nour contract. Unfortunately Nour had scant qualifications, if any, for the lucrative contract. After protests from more qualified contractors who had lost out, the contract was withdrawn for rebidding. Meanwhile, Booz Allen denied any role in the Nour affair, aside from a post-bid $50,000 consulting contract.

more
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:iUASMhjvMuIJ:www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/03/30/profiteers/+Grand+old+profiteering+zakheim&hl=en



GovCon Executive Speaker Series Featuring Former DCI James Woolsey

The GovCon Council is pleased to present this event in partnership with the International Exchange Business Council (IBEC), an emerging initiative of the Fairfax County Chamber.

R. James Woolsey has said that strategic security is the greatest challenge the business world faces today. In his role as a Vice President and officer in Booz Allen Hamilton’s Global Assurance practice, Mr. Woolsey helps corporations and government agencies integrate security into their strategic business planning in an effort to protect the vital networks upon which we all depend.

Those networks - electricity grids, oil and gas pipelines, telecommunications infrastructures, financial systems, food production and delivery systems and hundreds of others - are constructed to be responsive to the public and easily accessed and maintained. However, in a post-September 11 world, these characteristics translate to vulnerability.
http://www.gcn.com/events/16483.html

COMPANIES ON THE GROUND:
THE CHALLENGES FOR BUSINESS IN REBUILDING IRAQ
1 May 2003 - Washington DC
SPEAKERS

Kenneth H Bacon, President, Refugees International (confirmed)
Ashton Carter, Ford Foundation Professor of Science and International Affairs, Harvard University (confirmed)
Anthony H. Cordesman, Arleigh A. Burke Chair in Strategy, CSIS (confirmed)
Pat Cronin, Assistant Administrator, U.S. Agency for International Development (confirmed)
Ambassador James Dobbins, Director, International Security and Defense Policy, RAND Corporation (confirmed)
Jane Harman, U.S. Representative (D-CA), Ranking Democrat on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (confirmed)
Ambassador Wolfgang Ischinger, German Ambassador to the United States (confirmed)
Zoran Kusovac, Jane's Intelligence Review Correspondent (confirmed)
Alan Larson, Undersecretary for Economic Affairs, State Department (confirmed)
Martin Levine, Senior Managing Director, Shorebank Advisory Services (confirmed)
General William Nash (ret.), Director, Center for Preventive Action, Council on Foreign Relations (confirmed)
Thomas Pickering, Senior Vice President of International Relations, The Boeing Company, former Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs (confirmed)
David Rothkopf, Chairman & CEO, Intellibridge Corporation (confirmed)

Rubar Sandi, President of the U.S.-Iraq Business Council (confirmed)
James Steinberg, Vice President and Director, Foreign Policy Studies Program, Brookings Institution, former Deputy National Security Advisor (confirmed)
John Taylor, Undersecretary for International Affairs, Department of the Treasury (confirmed)
James Woolsey, Former Director of Central Intelligence, Vice President, Booz Allen Hamilton, Inc., CSIS Trustee (confirmed)
Daniel B Yergin, Chairman, Cambridge Energy Research Associates (confirmed)
Dov S. Zakheim, Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller) (confirmed)

http://www.janes.com/defence/conference/rebuilding_iraq/speaker_info.shtml
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #24
30. Thassumcomp'ny, that BFEE.
Kuwait Documents Allege Halliburton Bribe Scandal

by David Phinney, Special to Corpwatch
November 11th, 2004

Tom Crum, Middle East chief for Halliburton's Kellogg, Brown & Root (KBR) subsidiary, demanded that Kuwaiti Hilton staff get his wife a diamond-encrusted Cartier watch in the middle of the night, according allegations reported by internal United States embassy memos.

Meanwhile his senior managers, who have made the seaside villas at the hotel their headquarters for almost two years, were openly soliciting bribes from anyone who wanted to get a share of the multi-billion dollar contracts that the company oversees for the military occupation force in Iraq, the accusations claim.

At the very least, KBR staff are portrayed as arrogant and heavy-handed by the allegations, which largely date from December 2003 and the early months of 2004. At worst, the accusations paint a picture of illegal behavior.

The internal embassy communications also portray Richard Jones, the U.S. ambassador to Kuwait, as anxiously pushing the Texas-based company to buy overpriced fuel from a specific company, Altanmia Commercial Marketing Company. Altanmia officials counter that KBR staff were deliberately undermining their bids.

CONTINUED BFEE CRIMINALITY...

http://www.warprofiteers.com/article.php?id=11664

Howdy, Partner! Been away at the rabbit too much of late. Sorry for the late reply!

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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:37 PM
Response to Original message
22. Al Qaeda is a CIA asset. That is why I say its MIHOP
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 06:38 PM by Carl Brennan
You people with your snotty attitude toward people who present facts as Octafish is doing are really starting to get old.



Note: This was written before 9/11.


www.globalresearch.ca
http://www.monitor.net/monitor/0209a/pc2001-10.html
June 14, 2001
Title: "America at War in Macedonia"
Author: Michel Chossudovsky

July 26, 2001
Title: "NATO Invades Macedonia"
Author: Michel Chossudovsky

Faculty evaluators: Elizabeth Burch, Phil Beard, John Lund
Student researchers: Alessandra Diana, David V. Immel

.....The CIA destabilized the political balance in Macedonia to allow easier access for a US-British owned oil pipeline, and to prevent Macedonia from entering the European Union (EU), thereby strengthening the US dollar in a German deutschmark dominated region.

Without Macedonia in the EU, British and US oil companies have an advantage over European counterparts in building oil pipelines......
and then Al QAeda in Macedonia????? If one believes that Al Qaeda and the Bushies are buddies, it isn't so hard to beleive. Are they the operatives for the CIA there?

.......The fact that Al Qaeda continues to support KLA terrorist operations in Macedonia, with the full support of NATO and the US government, has been carefully overlooked. With the complicity of NATO and the US State Department. Mujahideen mercenaries from the Middle East and Central Asia were first recruited to fight in the ranks of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) in 1998-99, largely supporting NATO's war effort.

Bin Laden had visited Albania himself. His was one of several fundamentalist groups that had sent units to fight in Kosovo. He is believed to have established an operation in Albania in 1994. Albanian sources say Sali Berisha, who was then president, had links with some groups that later proved to be extreme fundamentalists. (Sunday Times, London, 29 November 1998.)........
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 12:51 AM
Response to Reply #22
37. Carl, when you fund a scholarship and put a kid through school...
...you take an interest in how that person progresses. Parents know it with their kids. Same goes for wet work. Uncle Sam did all possible to make Osama bin Laden successful as a mujahedin. The US isn't going to forget about following his "career" path.

One particularly appalling series of dots George W Bush failed to connect are all the kids Osama put through flight school.


9-11's BIG DIRTY SECRET: Trafficking with the Taliban

July 19 2004-Venice,FL. 
by Daniel Hopsicker

Based on an “investigation” notable only for failing to interview a single firsthand eyewitness, the National Commission on Terrorism’s report will totally ignore the big dirty secret lying at the heart of the 9/11 coverup: elite deviants trafficking narcotics. 

SNIP...

And keeping it that way seems to be a primary objective both of the 9/11 Commission, as well as a disinformation campaign funded, amazingly, by Saudi Arabian billionaire arms peddler Adnan Khashoggi, who was recently discovered to have been behind dubious funding of the Toronto “9/11 inquiry.” His donation was washed through one of his employees, author John Gray (Men are fromVenus; Women are from Mars).

Khashoggi’s involvement in the International 9/11 Inquiry was discovered through the efforts of two of the most-respected researchers in attendance, Canadian economist Michel Chossudovsky and German author Mathias Broeckers.

“That a conference of investigators probing to learn the truth about the 9/11 attack could be funded by the very people supposedly being investigated came to me as quite a surprise,” Broeckers told us.

CONTINUED TREASON...

http://www.madcowprod.com/mc6312004.html
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:44 PM
Response to Original message
23. Yep, it's too bad people don't want to believe the truth.
This whole administration should be in prison. Most people simply will not believe the government would do something like this. That ignorance is their greatest asset. Remember, a lot of people still believe Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy despite the overwhelming evidence against it, not to mention common sense. It's a damn shame what these people have been getting away with for decades.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 06:44 AM
Response to Reply #23
25. Kick!
:kick:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. Thanks, Karenina! Didja read what another "SUICIDE" wrote about the BFEE?
Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?

By James Hatfield

Editor's note: In light of last week's horrific events and the Bush administration's reaction to them, we are reprising the following from the last column Jim Hatfield wrote for Online Journal prior to his tragic death on July 18:

July 3, 2001—There may be fireworks in Genoa, Italy, this month, too.

A plot by Saudi master terrorist, Osama bin Laden, to assassinate Dubya during the July 20 economic summit of world leaders, was uncovered after dozens of suspected Islamic militants linked to bin Laden's international terror network were arrested in Frankfurt, Germany, and Milan, Italy, in April.

German intelligence services have stated that bin Laden is covertly financing neo-Nazi skinhead groups throughout Europe to launch another terrorist attack at a high-profile American target—his first since the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen last October.

According to counter-terrorism experts quoted in Germany's largest newspaper, the attack on Dubya might be a James Bond-like aerial strike in the form of remote-controlled airplanes packed with plastic explosives.

Why would Osama bi Laden want to kill, Dubya, his former business partner?

SNIP...

In June 1977, Dubya formed his own drilling company, Arbusto Energy ("arbusto" means "bush" in Spanish), in Midland, Texas. Like his father before him, Dubya founded his oil business with the financial backing of investors, including James R. Bath, a Houston businessman whom Dubya apparently first met when they were in the same Texas Air National Guard unit. (Interestingly, both Dubya and Bath were both suspended from flying in August and September 1972, respectively, for "failure to accomplish annual medical examination.")

CONTINUED...

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R-091901/hatfield-r-091901.html
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #23
26. Fully agree.
And a :kick:
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:45 PM
Response to Original message
28. Good research! n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 01:15 AM
Response to Reply #28
39. Thanks, mogster! Spread the word: The BFEE's members are madmen...
... bent on world domination. Once they've killed enough of Americans in taking over the world for them, they'll turn the machine guns on the survivors so they can lord it over the world by themselves.

Bin Laden Video Praises Cole Bombing

WASHINGTON, June 21 (IslamOnline & News Agencies)

EXCERPT...

Bin Laden has also threatened the life of U.S. President George W. Bush, according to the head of Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service Yevgeny Murov, Cable News Network said.

According to CNN, Murov told the Russian Itar-Tass news agency that bin Laden is planning to attack Bush at the upcoming G8 summit in Genoa, where leaders from Italy, Germany, France, Britain, Canada, Japan, the United States and Russia will meet from July 20-22.

But a spokesman for the ruling Taliban party in Afghanistan, where bin Laden has been living since 1996, said Thursday that bin Laden had not made any such threat against Bush, according to MSNBC reports. 

U.S. Secret Service spokesman Mark Holland said in Washington that his agency knew about the reports of the threat and would take all the necessary precautions, MSNBC added.

CONTINUED...

http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2001-06/22/article13.shtml

Guess Holland must've forgot. More likely, Bush forgot what Holland told him.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:58 PM
Response to Original message
29. MIHOP
Have always believed that! :mad:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #29
40. Me too. I'm tired of hearing 'Do you believe in The Web Fairy?'
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:08 PM
Response to Original message
31. Based on the behavior of the USAF alone on 9/11 it was LIHOP-
at a minimum it was allowed to proceed, there's a lot about the coup possibility that makes it more MIHOP but I don't buy that one, yet.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. NORAD Lied
The non-response of NORAD and lack of defense of the Pentagon.
Testimony of Sentor Dayton and an interview with Dr. Bowman (Lt. Col. Ret. USAF) by Micheal Kane. He discusses the war games planned that very morning at the exact time the event occured.
Powerful 15 min....must see imho

http://innworldreport.net/video/2004-08-04/dayton.html
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. AIPAC
Israel Is Spying In And On The U.S.?
Published: 12/12/01 FOX News.
These items have since been removed from the FOX News web site:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5133.htm

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Carl Cameron Reports
Wednesday, December 12, 2001
What did the Mossad know in advance about September 11 (and not pass on to USA allies?)
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/12/Israelis/spies1.html

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AIPAC Spy Case involves Intelligence on Iranian WMD

Juan Cole

09/06/04 -- James Gordon Meek reports that both FBI investigations of leaks from the Pentagon concern in part secret US intelligence on Iranian weapons of mass destruction programs. The FBI suspects that this intelligence was leaked to AIPAC and the Israelis on the one hand, and to Ahmad Chalabi on the other. Chalabi in turn is suspected of passing the information on to Tehran, playing the role of double agent. Although the FBI seems to be keeping the two inquiries separate, there is strong circumstantial evidence that there was a behind-the-scenes connection between Chalabi and the Israelis. That is, the information circuit may have been ingrown among the Neoconservatives, the Israelis and Chalabi's people.

It should be noted that Chalabi, the Neoconservatives, and Israel's Likud Party were allied in wanting to get up a US war against Iraq. But they were divided on the next stage, which was to get Washington to attack Iran, as well. Chalabi hates Saddam, but as an Iraqi Shiite has strong ties to Tehran, so he was not actually on board with Stage Two, and may have helped derail it, for which he is now hated in some Neoconservative circles.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6869.htm
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Leak Inquiry Includes Iran Experts in Administration
FBI counterintelligence investigators have in recent weeks questioned current and former U.S. officials about whether a small group of Iran specialists at the Pentagon and in Vice President Cheney's office may have been involved in passing classified information to an Iraqi politician or a U.S. lobbying group allied with Israel, according to sources familiar with or involved in the case.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60497-2004Sep3.html?nav=rss_nation
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The Israeli "art student" mystery
For almost two years, hundreds of young Israelis falsely claiming to be art students haunted federal offices -- in particular, the DEA. No one knows why -- and no one seems to want to find out.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/05/07/students/index_np.html
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Israeli Drug Smugglers' Global Monopoly On Ecstasy -2002
http://www.rense.com/general24/israelidrugsmugglers.htm

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Fri Sep 17,2004
LOS ANGELES Thirteen people are facing federal drug charges in Los Angeles for allegedly taking part in a cross-continent Ecstasy smuggling ring.
Investigators say about 300-thousand doses of the club drug -- with a street value of nearly seven (m) million dollars -- were seized in raids over a two-year period.

Dubbed Operation Money Man, prosecutors say the investigation of the European ring began when U-S immigration agents learned that a group of mostly Israeli nationals were selling Ecstasy in the L-A area.

Authorities say the ring shipped more than seven (m) million Ecstasy tablets from the Czech republic to the United States, Australia, Poland and Russia over the past year.

Copyright 2004 Associated Press.

http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=2312570
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. SOP
'FAILED' catastrophically on that horrid day...

as we on DU have been saying since 911

peace
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 12:38 AM
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36. I talked to somebody a few days ago
when I was on a break at the recount. He thinks the CIA does alot of bad things, understands about their involvement in drugs, etc. But he was not willing to accept LIHOP. One of the things that is interesting is that I found he had pretty good understanding of things overall but lacked the kind of specifics that many here at DU know.

For instance he argued that shooting down an airliner was a big decision and can understand why it wasn't made. I told him how Cheney and other Bushistas had gamed this part of the events that day pointing out that they deliberately confused interception with shootdown and that there was absolutely no good reason not to intercept the aircraft. He was very interested in that.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-04 11:04 PM
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35. Thank you Octafish!
Great post! Hope more people read it and start asking questions.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 12:58 AM
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38. What a build up to an apocalypse... ..........
And for what?????

Some how all will loose and no one will gain.
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