Bush and Cheney asked Daschle not to investigate September 11 attacks.

Smirko and Sneer asked then-Senate majority leader Tom Daschle not to investigate the attacks of September 11:



Never send a monkey out to do a traitor's job:



Isn't that what crooks and gansters do -- intimidate those who can investigate their crimes from learning the truth?

Forgot about the congressional investigation prior to the 9/11 Commission.

In any case, what's the news?

It's like you have a clock built into your head, or something.

The point of my posting "old news," or "history" as I like to call it, is that Bush and Cheney still haven't explained why they put pressure on Daschle during the short time the Democrats controlled the Senate. What is their rationale for opposing the investigation? Do you know?

Here's some more important history: Once Paul Wellstone was dead, the pukes got control of the Senate -- and with it any chance of Democrats leading an investigation independent of Bush-Cheney control while the information was new and the trail was still visible. More old news: The same thing happened with Lyndon Johnson and the Warren Commission.

Odd how it was only the liberal Democrats who were targeted.



Thank you for the heads-up, icee2. Interesting to see intimidation exposed. Going-along to get-along didn't do Daschle any good, in terms of his political life. Thank goodness for Feingold and Obey and all good people with backbones.

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it makes no sense that you wouldn't want an investigation unless you knew what that investigate would uncover. Obviously, Bush and Cheney were protecting someone. Likely themselves.

I think it still needs to be investigated, way too many systems fell apart that day, all at the same time. Way too much of a coinidence. Why, it couldn't have been planned better... :eyes:

to discover that you were the one who ordered the attack.

As you and many good DUers know, AndyA, Smirk-n-Sneer were protecting their own pimply backsides.



Some more on the Genoa warnings…



Should be clear that the little turd from Crawford had a fear of someone flying airplanes into buildings.



Gee. What was Boosh so afraid of? He won’t tell us, but it would seem he did tell AG Johnny Ashcan…



Too bad Ashcan didn't see fit to warn the American public.



Small world. And very, very bad.

In 1977, Osama bin Laden was 20 years old, in college and couldn't care less about the US (that changed in 1990 when the US based troops on what bin Laden considered holy soil, the Arabian peninsula). Besides, he has a huge family (something like 24 siblings), most of whom he was separated from (his mother divorced his father while he Osama was still young, and instead they lived with his mothers new husband). So while Dubya may have recieved funding from the bin Laden family, the connection to Osama bin Laden is doubtful to say the least, and calling him a business partner is downright lying.

Genoa is not North America. And the Russians are and were quite keen on getting focus on terrorism, in order to further their own agenda of labelling any resistance in Chechnya 'terrorism', with the usual harsh crackdown that usually followed such a label.

As the article states on its own, the anti missile system was only meant as a deterrence, in the odd event that someone should get any ideas about flying light aircrafts over the summit event.

And I'll let Ashcroft himself make the necessary comment regarding the final piece
http://www.nj.com/war/ledger/index.ssf?/news/ledger/stories/20040414_ashcroft.html

CBS reported on July 26, 2001 that Ashcroft quit flying commercial aircraft. This was just after the July 17, 2001 warning to Ashcroft from CIA Director George Tenet and CIA CTC chief Cofer Black, a warning that indicated that the US was about to be attacked by the al Qaeda terrorists in a catastrophic attack that would cause mass casualties.

"The Justice Department insists that it wasn't Ashcroft who wanted to fly leased aircraft. That idea, they said, came strictly from Ashcroft's FBI security detail. The FBI had no further comment."

But whatever the warning was from Tenet and Black, it was clearly so specific that Ashcroft did not want to fly commercial aircraft during the rest of his term for AJ business.

But Ashcroft was in charge of the FBI. Why did they not have the FBI investigate and prevent this hijacking Ashcroft had been clearly warned about? And what is even a bigger question why did Ashcroft not even think to have the FBI check the aircraft manifest for the aircraft we was to fly on to make sure no al Qaeda terrorist were about to take over his flight.

Instead he flies on private aircraft while the rest of America was never told about this horrific threat and has never been told that they were in immense danger form an aircraft hijacking by the al Qaeda terrorists.

And in less than 2 months after he quits flying on commercial aircraft the US is hit with the biggest terrorists attack in our history, using hijacked aircraft. Clearly this is not just a coincidence.

But the bigger issue is why when all of the main stream media knew about Ashcroft’s change in travel plans, knew that there must have been some horrific threat to travel on US commercial aircraft, why did they not investigate this and get to the bottom of this threat so all of those people killed on 9/11 would not have had to perish in these attacks.

BEN-VENISTE, in questions to John Ashcroft at the April 14, 2001 public 9/11 Commission hearings;

“At some point in the spring or summer of 2001, around the time of this heightened threat alert, you apparently began to use a private chartered jet plane, changing from your use of commercial aircraft on grounds, our staff is informed, of an FBI threat assessment. And, indeed, as you told us, on September 11th itself you were on a chartered jet at the time of the attack. “

“Can you supply the details, sir, regarding the threat which caused you to change from commercial to private leased jet?”

ASHCROFT: “Let me indicate to you that I never ceased to use commercial aircraft for my personal travel.”

But he clearly put out a press statement that said he would fly only on private aircraft for the remained of his term, after the main stream news media found he was no longer flying commercial aircraft due to an "unspecified threat assessment by the FBI".

But what the American people and the two rows of families that had lost their relatives on 9/11 that sat right behind Ashcroft at this hearing wanted to hear was, what was the unspecified FBI threat that Ashcroft had received and had been reported by CBS news and that had made Ashcroft so terrified of an aircraft hijacking that he immediately stopped in the latter part of July 2001 from flying on commercial aircraft inside of the US for AJ business, the bulk of his travel inside of the US?

They didn’t want to hear an excuse that he really was not afraid to fly on US aircraft. And why hadn't he warned the American people of this threat so they could stay safe also?

So now we know that Ashcroft quits flying on US commercial aircraft right after getting this horrific briefing from the top managers at the CIA on this massive al Qaeda terrorist threat and in over 7 ½ years no one has ever come forward to tell the American people exactly what was this “unspecified threat from the FBI" that the press release from Ashcroft’s office had described. The dots are starting to come together.

But this cover up gets worst!

The question was asked by no other then Richard Ben Venista. It was 9/11 Commissioner Richard Ben Venista that was at the official 9/11 Commission meeting with CIA Director George Tenet, and 9/11 Commission staff director Philip Zelikow when Tenet described the July 10, 2001 meeting with Rice and Clarke and the meetings with Ashcroft and Rumsfeld a week later.

Ben Venista not only knew exactly why Ashcroft quit flying on US commercial aircraft when he asked this question at the April 14, 2004, public 9/11 Commission hearings, but even knew that Ashcroft had been misleading and evasive in his answer. Even when he knew Ashcroft had not answered the real question, he never followed up and said, "John we, the 9/11 Commissioners and the Americans people and all of the relatives of those killed on 9/11 want to know;

"What was that unspecified threat from the FBI that was so horrific that you started taking only private aircraft on AG business in late July?"

Ashcroft was misdirecting his answer to a question that had never even been asked, the question; “Did you only fly on private aircraft in the summer of 2001?”

And it is now also clear that the flights Ashcroft took on commercial aircraft were for vacations with his wife, flights he would never have been allowed to have taken on private aircraft at taxpayers’ expense, and on flights that were in large part outside of the US. But not only does Bin Venista know that Ashcroft is misleading in his answers to the 9/11 commission but so does Philip Zelikow, George Tenet and even Condoleezza Rice know that Ashcroft was deliberately misleading in his answers to not only the rest of the 9/11 Commission but to the American public as well, one more example illustrating that the 9/11 Commission hearings were a complete fraud and a total farce!

John Ashcroft was the Attorney General of the United States, in charge of the Justice Department that also was over the FBI. If he knew that a huge al Qaeda attack was about to take place inside of the US that would kill thousands of Americans why did he not order the FBI to find these terrorists before they carried out any terrorist attack?
Since he was in charge of the FBI, why did they not have the FBI investigate and prevent this hijacking Ashcroft had been clearly warned about.

But then it gets even worse, much worse!

It even turns that that at the time Ashcroft was told of this massive al Qaeda attack inside of the US, his own people in the FBI were already aware that a very dangerous al Qaeda terrorist was already inside of the US. One of his key employees, Tom Wilshire, had been moved over as Deputy Chief of the CIA Bin Laden unit to be liaison to Michael Rolince, the head of the FBI ITOS unit. This is the unit it turns out we now know controlled all FBI criminal investigations in the world.

Tom Wilshire already knew on July 17, 2001 when Ashcroft was told about the al Qaeda attack on the US, that a very dangerous long time al Qaeda terrorist, Nawaf al-Hazmi, who at this time was connected to the east Africa bombings that had killed over 200 people including 12 Americans, had already entered the US in order to carry out another al Qaeda terrorist attack, and knew his travel companion, Khalid al-Mihdhar, also connected to this attack, had a multi-entry visa for the US that specified New York City as his destination. Clearly Wilshire knew that Mihdhar had a had a multi-entry visa for the US only in order to enter the US to carry out a al Qaeda terrorist attack inside of the US.

Wilshire even knew as did FBI HQ Agent Dina Corsi and the CIA that Mihdhar and Hazmi had attended a al Qaeda planning meeting with Walid Bin Attash, actually planning the Cole bombing. In fact this information was known by FBI HQ Agent Dina Corsi, and CIA officer Clark Shannon when they attended a meeting Corsi and Wilshire set in New York City with the FBI Cole bombing investigators, on June 11, 2001.

At this meeting Corsi presented three photos of Khalid al-Mihdhar that Wilshire had obtained from the CIA, to the FBI Agents on the Cole bombing. Then CIA officer, Clark Shannon, who worked in the very same CIA Bin laden unit that Wilshire had been deputy chief of, asked FBI Agent Steve Bongardt and his Cole bombing FBI investigators if they recognized anyone on the three photographs that Corsi had brought to this meeting, the three photographs of Mihdhar taken at the Kuala Lumpur planning meeting.

Since one photo was a photo of only Mihdhar and Hazmi, the question the CIA wanted answered was had the FBI Cole bombing investigators found out about this al Qaeda planning meeting in Kuala Lumpur and knew that Mihdhar and Hazmi had been at this meeting planning the Cole bombing with Khallad Bin Attash. Bongardt and his team said not only they did not recognize anyone in these photos, but wanted to know why the CIA was asking the FBI Cole bombing investigators about these people in these photos and what did these people have to do with the Cole bombing?

Bongardt and his team were told at this point that the CIA and FBI HQ could not give him and his team any information on these people because of the “wall”. But Corsi, Shannon and Wilshire all knew at this time that Mihdhar and Hazmi were long time al Qaeda terrorists who had been at the Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting with Khallad Bin Attash actually planning the Cole bombing, a crime, information that clearly was not protected by the “wall”.

The wall only allowed intelligence information that had been obtained by a FISA warrant and/or that was not yet connected to any crime to be temporarily withheld from FBI criminal investigators until the proper procedure was followed to allow this information to be passed over this fictitious “wall”. Not only was it known by the CIA and FBI HQ at the time of the June 11, 2001 meeting that Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing, the CIA, Wilshire and Shannon even knew that Mihdhar and Hazmi were connected to the east Africa bombings that had killed over 200 people, including 12 Americans, another crime.

It now appears they all had been instructed, by the CIA and CIA officer Wilshire, to keep this information secret from the FBI Cole bombing criminal investigators at this meeting, while Corsi and Shannon tried to find out what the Cole bombing investigators knew about the al Qaeda planning meeting at Kuala Lumpur.

On August 22, 2001 Wilshire and Corsi were both told by FBI Agent Margret Gillespie that Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US. We now know that when Wilshire and Corsi were told that Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US, they knew they were here only in order to take part in a massive al Qaeda attack that would kill thousands of Americans. Not only had both the CIA and FBI HQ be given numerous warnings of this attack, Wilshire on July 23, 2001 had sent email back to his CTC mangers, Richard Blee, and Cofer Black, indication that Mihdhar and by association Hazmi would be found at the location of the next big al Qaeda attack.

But not only do both Corsi and Wilshire keep this information completely secret from the FBI criminal investigators on the Cole bombing, but they also continue to keep secret the fact that they both know that the CIA had been deliberately hiding the photograph of Khallad Bin Attash taken at Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting planning the Cole bombing with Mihdhar and Hazmi, to insure that FBI Agent Steve Bongardt, and his Cole bombing investigation never had enough information to start any investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi.

On August 28, 2001 Bongardt accidentally got Corsi’s EC to start an intelligence investigation of Mihdhar, and from this EC finds out that both Mihdhar and Hazmi are inside of the US. He immediately called Corsi to see if he could start a criminal investigation of Mihdhar with his group thinking that Mihdhar and Hazmi might have been connected to Khallad Bin Attash and the meeting in Kula Lumpur, and knowing that they are clearly in the US to take part in some horrific al Qaeda attack.

But he was told by Corsi, and her boss Rod Middleton, that since the information he would need would have to come from the NSA and the NSA had restrictions on giving this information to FBI criminal agents because it might have been obtained using a FISA warrant, the “wall”, he would not be allowed to start in or take part in any investigation for Mihdhar.

Even in spite of the fact that the wall never actually applied to this information on Mihdhar and Hazmi, Corsi had already been given written permission the day before by the NSA, on August 27, 2001, to give this very information to the FBI Cole bombing investigators, information that Corsi kept secret from FBI Agent Bongardt. When Bongardt protested and said this information did not appear to be connected to any FISA warrant, he requested that Corsi to get a ruling from the NSLU, the legal people at FBI HQ to see if he could take part in the investigation of Mihdhar.

When Agent Corsi asked FBI NSLU attorney Sherry Sabol, on August 28, 2001, whether the NSA information on Mihdhar and Hazmi could be given to the FBI criminal investigators, and if Bongardt could take part in an investigation and search for Mihdhar, Sabol told Corsi that this NSA information could be given to the FBI criminal investigators in New York since it had no connection to any FISA warrant. Sabol further told Corsi that if she was still confused she, Corsi herself, could request a written release from the NSA, unaware that Corsi had already been given a written release two days earlier.

But Corsi told Bongardt on August 29, 2001, that Sabol had ruled just the opposite, and that the NSLU had ruled that he would never be allowed take part in any investigation of Mihdhar, effectively shutting down his last chance to search for and find Mihdhar and Hazmi in time to prevent the attacks on 9/11.

Incredibly Middleton was given the Kuala Lumpur photo of Khallad Bin Attash on August 30, 2001, just one day after Corsi had finally shut down Bongardt’s investigation of Mihdhar. Middleton on August 30, 2001 now had the photographic proof that Mihdhar and Hazmi had been at the Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting with Bin Attash planning the Cole bombing, but in spite if this horrific information he never calls Bongardt back to undo the damage he and Corsi have caused by shutting down his investigation and search for Mihdhar and Hazmi.

Clearly Wilshire and Corsi, and even Middleton, knew that their actions in shutting down this investigation, the one investigation on Mihdhar and Hazmi that could have prevented that attacks on 9/11, would result in the deaths of thousands of Americans in the horrific al Qaeda attack they were all aware of.

Since Wilshire had been denied several times by the CIA in July 2001 from providing this very information to the FBI, information that could have prevented these attacks, and many people at the FBI HQ also knew that FBI Agent Corsi had been criminally blocking the investigation of Mihdhar by Bongardt, it is clear that the conspiracy that had allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take placed went well beyond either Corsi and Wilshire and included almost all of the top management at the CIA, and many of the managers at the FBI.

Even John Ashcroft’s own director of the FBI, Louis Freeh, who had been aware that Mihdhar and Hazmi had attended the important al Qaeda planning meeting in January 2000, had refused to give this information to FBI Agent Ali Soufan, lead FBI investigator on the Cole bombing and Bongardt’s boss. In November 2000, Soufan had asked Freeh to request from the CIA and George Tenet any information the CIA had on any al Qaeda planning meeting in January 2000 or on Khallad Bin Attash was told by Freeh that the CIA had none of this information when we now know that Freeh himself had been given this very information by the CIA in early January 2000.

This information and these dots that have been connected confirms this that the top managers of the FBI and CIA, and AJ John Ashcroft and even some of the 9/11 Commissioners were actually in on an agreement to hide this information from the American people and to never tell the American people the whole truth at the 9/11 Commission hearings, when they all had been sworn to tell the truth the, whole truth and nothing but the truth.

because the truth is that the whole story about him not flying commercial flights was part of the scam. A limited hangout. "Damn.
The MSM has learned that Asscroft was warned not to fly commercial flights. This is devastating and might even cause some of the
public to get mad at us. Fortunately, no real planes crashed on 9/11, so we're safe. Just like Ashcroft always was."

regardless of the crime being focused on.
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Your first link Octafish, CNN, the only person left in Washington from that story is Lieberman.

I was going to suggest those along with Daschle that were considering a real investigation could possibly be persuaded now.
Lieberman of course drank the koolade so there is no way he'd even remember he was for it before he was against it.

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