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PennyMan Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:21 PM
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PLEASE READ Paranoid shift Believe Me This Article Will Blow Your Mind
Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 07:32 PM by PennyMan
Excerpt From Article

Unless I'm paranoid, it doesn't make any sense at all that George W. Bush,
commander-in-chief, sat in a second-grade classroom for 20 minutes after he
was informed that a second plane had hit the World Trade Center, listening to
children read a story about a goat. Nor does it make sense that the Number 2 man,
Dick Cheney—even knowing that "the commander" was on a mission in Florida—
nevertheless sat at his desk in the White House,
watching TV, until the Secret Service dragged him out by the armpits


There Is A Lot More Here http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/011004Hasty/011004hasty.html
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:26 PM
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1. Interesting...
Excerpt-

In his book, "Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower," William Blum warns of how the media will make anything that smacks of "conspiracy theory" an immediate "object of ridicule." This prevents the media from ever having to investigate the many strange interconnections among the ruling class—for example, the relationship between the boards of directors of media giants, and the energy, banking and defense industries. These unmentionable topics are usually treated with what Blum calls "the media's most effective tool—silence." But in case somebody's asking questions, all you have to do is say, "conspiracy theory," and any allegation instantly becomes too frivolous to merit serious attention.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:46 PM
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8. I soooo respect William Blum -- I highly recommend his book
"Killing Hope: The 250 Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II"
< http://members.aol.com/bblum6/American_holocaust.htm >.

The following chapters are available online:
Introduction
2. Italy - 1947-1948: Free elections, Hollywood style
25. Ecuador - 1960-1963: A text book of dirty tricks
30. Cuba - 1959 to 1980s: The unforgivable revolution
33. Uruguay - 1964-1970: Torture -- as American as apple pie
37. Guatemala - 1962 to 1980s: A less publicized "final solution"
41. Angola - 1975 to 1980s: The Great Powers Poker Game
51. Bulgaria 1990/Albania 1991: Teaching communists what democracy is all about
52. Iraq - 1990-1991: Desert holocaust
53. Afghanistan - 1979-1992: America's Jihad
55. Haiti - 1986-1994: Who will rid me of this turbulent priest?
Appendix III: U. S. Government Assassination Plots Index


:kick:
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:25 AM
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46. Did you read Blum's predictions for the New Year?
MARCH 6: Congress passes a law requiring that all persons arrested in anti-war demonstrations must be sterilized. President Bush says it is "God's will". John Kerry votes for the law but declares that he has misgivings because there's no provision for a right of appeal.

MARCH 20: 11 nuns in Glad Valley, South Dakota arrested in marijuana raid.

<snip>

MAY 9: The Democratic Party changes its name to the Republican Lite Party, and announces the opening of a joint bank account with the Republican Party so that corporate lobbyists need make out only one check.

<snip>

MAY 27: 16-year-old boy sentenced to life imprisonment in Mississippi for smoking marijuana.

<snip>

JUNE 11: Homeland Security announces plan to take the DNA at birth of every child born in the United States.

<snip>

JULY 4: 12-year-old girl put to death in Utah for smoking marijuana.

<snip>
SEPTEMBER 4: Riots breaks out in 24 American cities in protest of the draft. 100,000 American troops who are brought home from Iraq to put down the riots ... join them.

OCTOBER 6: The Bush twins arrested in a marijuana raid on a DC disco.

OCTOBER 8: The Supreme Court declares all marijuana laws unconstitutional, retroactively.

MORE

http://members.aol.com/bblum6/aer16.htm
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:56 PM
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10. Excellent points....
Why would Fox and NYT choose some obscure postings on DU to report on, and ignore the whole treasureload of information relating to Saudi money laundering?
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:57 PM
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12. Even DU can't handle the death ray of 'conspiracy' smear from Faux News.
...as we saw when Skinner scrubbed threads and publicly encouraged us to alert on people who post 'conspiracy theories' 'cause they may be disruptors out to make us look bad.

It took Michael Moore harping on AWOL-boy for the msm to even look at the issue. And Dan Rather paid the price for looking in the basement.

'Conspiracy theory' is the big story hidden to keep war profitable.
The real stories hidden in that intellectual ghetto must be exposed if our species is to survive the neo-con-men and their propaganda.

We don't all have to be Gary Webb but it would help.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:27 PM
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2. I haven't read the article yet..and it never made any sense to me!!!
I will now go and read the article.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:34 PM
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4. your in for a treat.buckle your seat belt
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:33 PM
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3. I`ve been looking for this piece TYVM
I read it awhile back and it fits this whole thing right down to the Military outfits. Mind you as the author quotes "no other president has ever done"

scary shit
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:34 PM
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5. Important read.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:40 PM
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6. Did you also see on Rawstory, that Rummy had a slip of tongue
in front of the soldiers in Iraq, that flight 93 was shot down? Of course he had "misspoken".
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:59 PM
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16. I believe it was shot down
But those who know the truth are unwilling to take the courage of those on that plane this day and admit. "It was us who took them out."

Also the pentagon hit. My hubby is Navy and worked in the pentagon (dod) We were discussing it, for the hell of it. He said "You know I haven't heard one person say. I knew someone on that flight. Or I saw the plane come in." After a pause he said When I was sent there to film it for (combat camera) I never saw a metal scrap, no piece of a plane. Nothing. Besides the gaping hole in the wall, you could almost believe it never happened. They Prompted the PA flight and the 2 towers more then they ever discussed the pentagon."

I found that conversation interesting, I'm not a conspricay theorist, but it gave me pause. I'm not trying to be an insenstive asshole. But does anyone remember anyone related speaking about the plane that went into the pentagon? Or being part of the 9/11 commision or families?

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pixelthief Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:13 PM
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21. Link
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kitkat65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:52 PM
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30. I remember a prime-time non-cable network new show interviewing a burn
victim from the Pentagon and what they had gone through afterwards like physical rehabilitation and emotional issues. I think if was a non-military, civil servant type.

That's all I remembrt though
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:18 PM
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32. Yes no doubt the event happened
And people were injured and died. But was it a plane?

and thanks for the link pixel.. that was an experience. a bit alarming too at the same time.

also I worked for OPM in PA..(that's a whole other story related to politics and why I left. talk about Bush fanatics!)
It's an underground mine that happens to handle the security clearances for the government and white house(being some Yankee white cases. It's basically a bunker with miles and miles of tunnels ( I wasn't working there at the time 9/11 happened. If you have any interest in Abu Ghraib some of those civil workers were sent there without clearances we were told to shut up about it. Want to talk about conspiracy!) I asked people who had been there during that time what happened that day. I'm a naturally curious person I guess. I make it a point to ask a lot of questions.
Apparently The national guard surrounded the mountain and stood with rifles armed. I don't believe they were there to protect paper. Or Walt Disney archives (which happens to be there too)
Those that worked there were sent home early for security reasons. It was also said that some bigwig (never named) was flown in to take refuge there. (hence why it was shut down and everyone sent home)

I always wondered who that person was. Cheney? Bush? Some others? Who was a no show that day, when we all stood there vulnerable without leadership? Connie? Rummy? Barney the dog?

I'd like to know what they were doing that day.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:54 AM
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51. Did that person have hair?
Every single person who was burned at the Pentagon AND LIVED
has lots and lots of luxuriant hair.
Flame-proof hair.

Mr. Juan Cruz suffered greatly in the Penta-fire.

Cruz’s contact lenses melted onto his eyes. Beyond his burns, he’s had to cope with impaired vision.
http://www.uticaod.com/news/specialreports/911anniversary/sept11/moody.htm

Mr. Juan Cruz has failed to qualify as being legally blind.
Mr. Juan Cruz can still see.
Mr. Juan Cruz managed to fill out his claim for $68 million with minimal help.
You will also be happy to note that
although the heat melted his contacts,
it did not damage his eyebrows nor did it singe his eyelashes. EVER.

For some strange reason,
Mr. Juan Cruz does not meet the level of need that would automatically cause him to receive the services of a Home Health Aide.
Apparently he has always been fully capable of taking care of himself.
Que milagro.
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Sweet Pea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 12:43 AM
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54. Why I Don't Believe A Word You Post
Mr Cruz was a neighbor of mine for the year of 2003. He and his wife lived 2 doors down from me. I helped shovel his driveway more than once during the snows of 2003. I would greet his wife as she walked their dogs in the morning as I got the car ready for work - I'd ask how her husband was doing.

I find it funny (now) how you play Google Ranger and come to vast, sweeping conclusions that contradict that little thing called reality.

Have you ever met Mr. Cruz? I have and can state unequivocally that you are making up what you state here.



(link to article requires paid registration)

Yeah.....he doesn't look like he suffered any from the PentaFire. Not at all. Everyone has only 2 fingers on one hand, arms that are covered in scar tissue, a fire-scarred face, infections from burns that are slow to heal, lungs that burn when you simply breath. Heckuva job fakin' it, Mr Cruz! But you didn't fool Dulced! No sirree! She thinks you look FINE!

Please. Share more of your knowledge of Pentagon burn victims from your Google Searches.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:59 AM
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55. Damn you and your facts, Sweet Pea!
:tinfoilhat:
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:34 AM
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56. Now that is what I call
Edited on Sun Jan-09-05 10:44 AM by k-robjoe
worthwhile debunking.

On edit : And a sad joke from Mercutio.

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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 06:46 PM
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57. That's hair all right !!
Edited on Sun Jan-09-05 07:01 PM by DulceDecorum
Hair on his head and a nice juicy moustache.
Thanks ever so much for posting that photo!!
How's the $68 million coming along?

Incidentally,
how did he get past the cyanide?
Burning planes are NOTORIOUS for outgassing.

OK,
you don't have to answer that one.

The occupants of Arrow Air Flight MF1285R
which crashed at Gander International Airport, NewFoundland, Canada
on December 12, 1985
made it past the cyanide.
Just like Mr. Juan Cruz.

Interestingly, many of the bodies that had high levels of combustion products in their lungs WERE ALSO DECAPITATED, yet according to the official report, they somehow kept breathing five minutes after being dismembered.
http://www.sandford.org/gandercrash/investigations/gander_paper/html/_5.shtml

* Even though it is standard procedure to investigate terrorism as a cause in any air disaster, no U.S. agency, including the Vice President's Task Force on Combating Terrorism and its chairman at the time, George Bush, ever investigated for the possibility of terrorism or foul play. This despite the fact that the terrorist group, Islamic Jihad, tried FOUR TIMES to take credit for the crash.
www.fas.org/irp/congress/...gander.htm

Lucky for Mr. Juan Cruz that he was only dealing with al Qaeda.
And they are VERY sloppy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=2058&mesg_id=2058
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Sweet Pea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 03:10 PM
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58. I'm sorry,
but all burn victims do NOT have to look like Gollum...



Nevertheless, you go right on saying Mr. Cruz suffered no debilitating injuries as a result of his burns from the impact of the 757 at the Pentagon. And you can go right ahead saying that no fire trucks can get into the center courtyard of the Pentagon. And you can go right on playing Google Ranger, pretending to be an expert in matters where your education, edification, information and knowledge comes from a bunch of servers in Silicon Valley - rather than from personal experience. There's a reason why I don't comment on every topic in DU - I try and stick to the areas I have a certain amount of familiarity or experience with.

Try it sometime. Even if it meant a significant drop in the number of posts - credibility would skyrocket.

You have no idea of what you talk about with regards to Mr. Juan Cruz. You have never met the man and I have no doubt you have never spoken to him. You had never even laid eyes on him, I'd bet, until I posted that image in my original post. You seem mystically taken with the fact that burn victims CAN STILL GROW HAIR! Imagine that....it still grows after the skin on one's face is burned. Yet with a few key strokes you become an instantaneous expert on all matters concerning Mr. Cruz or burn rehabilitation - or firetrucks in the Pentagon or crashes in Newfoundland or any number of things.

That's funny....and is yet even more examples of why no one here should take anything you say as the truth - because in many cases, Mr Cruz and firetrucks in the courtyard being prime examples, you are wrong.
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 04:42 PM
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59. sheesh
Edited on Mon Jan-10-05 04:46 PM by WoodrowFan
there are eyewittnesses here on the DU and some of us know eyewittnesses who saw the AA jetlines dive into the Pentagon. There are also tons of eyewittnesses on the web as well as photos of the wreckage.

But hey, if your husband doesn't know any eyewittnesses I guess that settles it huh!

As for families, one of my wife's friends lost her husband in the pentagon that day.

Some Links..


http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33 /

http://www.criticalthrash.com/terror/crashthumbnails.ht ...

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/pentagon_20020316 ....

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm


Let’s sum up, shall we.
• Hundreds of eyewitnesses. I am friends with one and several DUers were eyewitnesses as well.
• Parts of the plane seen at the site by eyewitnesses, and photographed by the same.
• Body parts identified from the site as well as personal possessions.
• Black boxes recovered.
• Telephone poles knocked down by the plane.
• The hole fits a 757 and the wings damaged the façade of the building.

Frankly anyone who doubts Flt 77 hit the Pentagon is either VERY uninformed, easily duped by a slick film of lies, or left their “mind open” so far their brains fell out.


Eyewitness Accounts...

"USAToday.com Editor Joel Sucherman saw it all: an American Airlines jetliner fly left to right across his field of vision as he commuted to work Tuesday morning. It was highly unusual. The large plane was 20 feet off the ground and a mere 50 to 75 yards from his windshield. Two seconds later and before he could see if the landing gear was down or any of the horror-struck faces inside, the plane slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon 100 yards away. 'My first thought was he's not going to make it across the river to National Airport. But whoever was flying the plane made no attempt to change direction,' Sucherman said. 'It was coming in at a high rate of speed, but not at a steep angle—almost like a heat-seeking missile was locked onto its target and staying dead on course."
- "Journalist Witnesses Pentagon Crash." eWeek.com, 13 Sep 2001


"On a Metro train to National Airport, Allen Cleveland looked out the window to see a jet heading down toward the Pentagon. 'I thought, "There's no landing strip on that side of the subway tracks,"' he said. Before he could process that thought, he saw 'a huge mushroom cloud. The lady next to me was in absolute hysterics.'"
- "Our Plane Is Being Hijacked." Washington Post, 12 Sep 2001

"I was supposed to have been going to the Pentagon Tuesday morning at about 11:00am (EDT) and was getting ready, and thank goodness I wasn't going to be going until later. It was so shocking, I was listening to the news on what had happened in New York, and just happened to look out the window because I heard a low flying plane and then I saw it hit the Pentagon. It happened so fast... it was in the air one moment and in the building the next..."
- "U.S. Under Attack: Your Eyewitness Accounts." BBC News, 14 Sep 2001

"As I approached the Pentagon, which was still not quite in view, listening on the radio to the first reports about the World Trade Center disaster in New York, a jetliner, apparently at full throttle and not more than a couple of hundred yards above the ground, screamed overhead. ... Seconds before the Pentagon came into view a huge black cloud of smoke rose above the road ahead. I came around the bend and there was the Pentagon billowing smoke, flames and debris, blackened on one side and with a gaping hole where the airplane had hit it."
- "Eyewitness at the Pentagon." Human Events, 17 Sep 2001

"Frank Probst, an information management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, he suddenly saw a commercial airliner crest the hilltop Navy Annex. American Airlines Flight 77 reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine."
- "A Defiant Recovery." The Retired Officer Magazine, January 2002

"'I mean it was like a cruise missile with wings, went right there and slammed into the Pentagon,' eyewitness Mike Walter said of the plane that hit the military complex. 'Huge explosion, great ball of fire, smoke started billowing out, and then it was just chaos on the highway as people either tried to move around the traffic and go down either forward or backwards,' he said."
- "Witnesses and Leaders on Terrorist Attacks." CNN, 11 Sep 2001

"'(The plane) was flying fast and low and the Pentagon was the obvious target,' said Fred Gaskins, who was driving to his job as a national editor at USA Today near the Pentagon when the plane passed about 150 feet overhead. 'It was flying very smoothly and calmly, without any hint that anything was wrong.'"
- "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA Today, 11 Sep 2001

"Aydan Kizildrgli, an English language student who is a native of Turkey, saw the jetliner bank slightly then strike a western wall of the huge five-sided building that is the headquarters of the nation's military. 'There was a big boom,' he said. 'Everybody was in shock. I turned around to the car behind me and yelled "Did you see that?" Nobody could believe it.'"
- "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA Today, 11 Sep 2001

'I saw the tail of a large airliner. ... It plowed right into the Pentagon," said an Associated Press Radio reporter who witnessed the crash. 'There is billowing black smoke.'"
- "America's Morning of Terror." ChannelOne.com, 2001

"Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew over his head. 'It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane,' Mr Campo said. 'I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

"Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. 'There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

"A pilot who saw the impact, Tim Timmerman, said it had been an American Airways 757. "'It added power on its way in,' he said. 'The nose hit, and the wings came forward and it went up in a fireball.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

"Steve Eiden, a truck driver, had picked up his cargo that Tuesday morning in Williamsburg, Va., and was en route to New York City and witnessed the aftermath. ... He took the Highway 95 loop in the area of the Pentagon and thought it odd to see a plane in restricted airspace, thinking to himself it was odd that it was flying so low. 'You could almost see the people in the windows,' he said as he watched the plane disappear behind a line of trees, followed by a tall plume of black smoke. Then he saw the Pentagon on fire, and an announcement came over the radio that the Pentagon had been hit."
- "Sept. 11, the Day America Changed." The Baxter Bulletin, 2001

"Traffic is normally slow right around the Pentagon as the road winds and we line up to cross the 14th Street bridge heading into the District of Columbia. I don’t know what made me look up, but I did and I saw a very low-flying American Airlines plane that seemed to be accelerating. My first thought was just 'No, no, no, no,' because it was obvious the plane was not heading to nearby Reagan National Airport. It was going to crash."
- "September 11 Remembered." University Week, 4 Oct 2001

Father Stephen McGraw was driving to a graveside service at Arlington National Cemetery the morning of Sept. 11, when he mistakenly took the Pentagon exit onto Washington Boulevard, putting him in a position to witness American Airlines Flight 77 crash into the Pentagon. 'I was in the left hand lane with my windows closed. I did not hear anything at all until the plane was just right above our cars.' McGraw estimates that the plane passed about 20 feet over his car, as he waited in the left hand lane of the road, on the side closest to the Pentagon. 'The plane clipped the top of a light pole just before it got to us, injuring a taxi driver, whose taxi was just a few feet away from my car. I saw it crash into the building,' he said. 'My only memories really were that it looked like a plane coming in for a landing. I mean in the sense that it was controlled and sort of straight. That was my impression,' he said. 'There was an explosion and a loud noise and I felt the impact. I remember seeing a fireball come out of two windows (of the Pentagon). I saw an explosion of fire billowing through those two windows.'"
- "Pentagon Crash Eyewitness Comforted Victims." MDW News Service, 28 Sep 2001

"I witnessed the jet hit the Pentagon on September 11. From my office on the 19th floor of the USA TODAY building in Arlington, Va., I have a view of Arlington Cemetery, Crystal City, the Pentagon, National Airport and the Potomac River. ... Shortly after watching the second tragedy, I heard jet engines pass our building, which, being so close to the airport is very common. But I thought the airport was closed. I figured it was a plane coming in for landing. A few moments later, as I was looking down at my desk, the plane caught my eye. It didn't register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke."
- Steve Anderson, Director of Communications, USA Today

"Henry Ticknor, intern minister at the Unitarian Universalist Church of Arlington, Virginia, was driving to church that Tuesday morning when American Airlines Flight 77 came in fast and low over his car and struck the Pentagon. 'There was a puff of white smoke and then a huge billowing black cloud,' he said."
- "Hell on Earth." UU World, Jan/Feb 2002

"Northern Virginia resident John O'Keefe was one of the commuters who witnessed the attack on the Pentagon. 'I was going up 395, up Washington Blvd., listening to the the news, to WTOP, and from my left side-I don't know whether I saw or heard it first- I saw a silver plane I immediately recognized it as an American Airlines jet,' said the 25-year-old O'Keefe, managing editor of Influence, an American Lawyer Media publication about lobbying. 'It came swooping in over the highway, over my left shoulder, straight across where my car was heading. I'd just heard them saying on the radio that National Airport was closing, and I thought, "That's not going to make it to National Airport." And then I realized where I was, and that it was going to hit the Pentagon. There was a burst of orange flame that shot out that I could see through the highway overpass. Then it was just black. Just black, thick smoke.'"
- "Terrorist 'Situation'." American Lawyer Media, 11 Sep 2001

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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 05:19 PM
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60. An old lawyer's trick: bury 'em in paper.
If there is anyone here other than the tiny cell of sellers of all things bushco who still believes the Official Fairy Tale about the Pentagon, remember:

* The Pentagon parking lot video of the attack shows a small jet, not a great big B757. In addition it shows what is almost certainly a missile being fired.

* The Right Honorable Dulce Decorum (friend of all, including reasonable right-wingers here at DU) has provided evidentiary proof that FL 77 was not scheduled to fly on 9/11, and you know what? It DIDN'T. So, unless you believe in ghosts (and we do have one such person here, for sure) and ghost planes, FL 77 didn't fly on 9/11 & therefore didn't crash.



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pixelthief Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:12 PM
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20. Link
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:35 PM
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26. fantastic introduction for newbies & all to what we're on about here
great read
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:44 PM
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7. Well that explains everything, the exit polls, the lack of MSM coverage
Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 07:48 PM by demo dutch
of election fraud etc etc. The Skull and bones part scares me because it would tie Kerry into it as well.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:53 PM
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9. Project for the New American Century strikes again!
The PNAC is my favorite reason why I know I am not an out-of-touch conspiracy theorist -- what theorizing is involved when they post this stuff on their freaking website?!?!

Quote from Paranoid Shift article:

"Years, even decades before 9/11, plans had been drawn up for American forces to take control of the oil interests of the Middle East, for various imperialist reasons. And these plans were only contingent upon "a catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor," to gain the majority support of the American public to set the plans into motion. When the opportunity presented itself, the guards looked the other way . . . and presto, the path to global domination was open.

Simple, as long as the media played along. And there is voluminous evidence that the media play along. Number one on Project Censored's annual list of underreported stories in 2002 was the Project for a New American Century (now the infrastructure of the Bush Regime), whose report, published in 2000, contains the above "Pearl Harbor" quote."

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Last Lemming Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:57 PM
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11. 9/11--election fraud
all of one piece?
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:59 PM
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15. and don`t forget media dominance
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:35 PM
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25. "The Covert Op That Ate The World"
Election Fraud: Spooks, Saudis, Florida "The Covert Op That Ate The World"
January 4,2005 -Venice, FL. 
by Daniel Hopsicker

While both of the terrorist pilots who crashed into the World Trade Center were students at Venice Florida’s Huffman Aviation, the flight school's owner Wallace J. Hilliard, 72, of Naples, FL., was simultaneously pursuing a diplomatic opening to Fidel Castro’s Cuba.

But it's Hilliard’s involvement with ADNAN KHASHOGGI, arms merchant and international fugitive, which we find most intriguing. The SAUDI BILLIONAIRE’s name has now surfaced in connection with the ownership of two of the election service companies whose performance in the 2004 Presidential contest has inspired heated controversy.

http://www.madcowprod.com/
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sharman Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:09 PM
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34. Theresa LePore
Before she found fame in Florida elections, Theresa LePore was a stewardess on Kashnogi's private airplane
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:56 AM
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48. This puzzle is getting interesting


What are the odds of that connection?
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:58 PM
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13. the most scary ......... BUSH IS A NAZI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Recently declassified US government documents, unearthed last October by investigative journalist John Buchanan at the New Hampshire Gazette, reveal that Prescott Bush's involvement in financing and arming the Nazis was more extensive than previously known. Not only was Bush managing director of the Union Banking Corporation, the American branch of Hitler's chief financier's banking network; but among the other companies where Bush was a director—and which were seized by the American government in 1942, under the Trading With the Enemy Act—were a shipping line which imported German spies; an energy company that supplied the Luftwaffe with high-ethyl fuel; and a steel company that employed Jewish slave labor from the Auschwitz concentration camp."

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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:22 PM
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36. Thanks for Pointing this out - John Loftus revealed this years ago....
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:59 PM
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14. Bush knew all about the attacks and 9/11 was an inside job
Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 08:01 PM by spooked911
see my blog: http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/ for more on 9/11.
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:23 PM
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37. YES! YES! YES!!!! nt
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:02 PM
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17. "Paranoid Shift" is a great article.
I read it right before the election, which was more or less the time I made the "paranoid shift" myself! I already knew about the PNAC and just kept connecting the dots. A few days later I read "Escaping the Matrix" (don't have the link at the moment) which was further confirmation of my suspicions about the BFEE.
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:05 PM
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18. What's amazing is how the net has brought these
things to the attention of the masses........We will be heard sooner rather than later. And, the masses will be very well educated!
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euler Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:09 PM
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19. Where have you been ?
This is old news. Even Bin Laden talked about it in a video released just before the elections. Hell, it was in the news the evening of 9/11/2001.
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:24 PM
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39. It's NOT Old News Until it is on Page ONE of every major newspaper !!!
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euler Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:22 AM
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45. It was.
A picture of him sitting in the classroom reading the book AFTER he had been told, was even on the cover of either Time or Newsweek (could have been US News and World Report also.) This was 3 years ago, so maybe you don't remember it.
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darkworkz Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:25 PM
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22. The more you know
The easier it is to see them. The more frightened they become. Notice that all of this has happened in only the last 4 decades? Most people were fast asleep during that period.

The sleeping giant is awake and the roaches are starting to run.
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planetc Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:27 PM
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23. This article is highly recommended. n/t
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:45 PM
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28. Frightening n/t
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:31 PM
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24. But...But...what about 1,000 points of light? That's all he really wanted.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:42 PM
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27. This is a great primer for newbies on the facts of 'conspiracy theories.'
I hope you don't mind if I repost this in GD since this site just went apeshit when Faux News mentioned it as a source of 'conspiracy theories' and now Tom Delay has dismissed the eletoral vote count protest as being "from the X-Files wing of the Democratic party..."

This is the hottest topic possible and now is the time to open it up before fascism is irreversible in this country and the world.

>snip<

"In his book, "Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower," William Blum warns of how the media will make anything that smacks of "conspiracy theory" an immediate "object of ridicule." This prevents the media from ever having to investigate the many strange interconnections among the ruling class—for example, the relationship between the boards of directors of media giants, and the energy, banking and defense industries. These unmentionable topics are usually treated with what Blum calls "the media's most effective tool—silence." But in case somebody's asking questions, all you have to do is say, "conspiracy theory," and any allegation instantly becomes too frivolous to merit serious attention.

On the other hand, since my paranoid shift, whenever I hear the words "conspiracy theory" (which seems more often, lately) it usually means someone is getting too close to the truth."

>snip<
-my point exactly.

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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:46 PM
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29. A great summary piece
Puts together all of the salient points in one place and also goes to show that the more they cry "conspiracy theory" the closer we are getting to the truth.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:09 PM
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31. Thanks.
I've found all of this before in books and in articles, but the prose is so compeling, and reads easily. Thanks. Great link.
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kk897 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:35 PM
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33. here's an addictively fun site for finding out the interrelationships
of the ruling elite:

http://www.theyrule.net/2004/tr2.php

I went there and spun out dozens of what you might call "power maps" one night. It's such a cool visual tool.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:38 PM
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43. What a site that is!
This is the six degree game for corporations!

I have now spent several hours at that site. I was able to make a connection to GHWB's admin from Costco in six steps. I also learned that Peter Coors is on the BOD of H.J. Heinz.

That site needs to be placed in Demopedia as soon as it reopens for submissions.

Thanks for the link.
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:20 PM
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35. I Have Known About Bushitler Dynasty Dirty, Fucking Filthy History...
What Blows My Mind (and probably yours as well), is why the rest of America does not realize it has been the victim of forcible rape and sodomy by the Bushitler flesh-eating virus for DECADES !!!
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:24 PM
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38. your still being too kind lol
but I like your style
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:10 PM
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40.  Agreed - Whatever We Say about Bushitler Dynasty is too kind...
So how do we perform the mental, physical, and ethical hygeine necessary to remove this cancer from the body politic ?
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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:15 PM
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41. Also read this
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madison2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:23 PM
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42. I read this a couple of weeks ago
Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 11:24 PM by madison2000
Its very interesting to think about how our impressions of history are formed right there "in the moment". I remember watching television from about 11am onward on September 11 and Peter Jennings kept saying they were trying to figure out where the president is... The president should have known the country was under attack before he ever got to the school and he should have sprung to action immediately. That would have made sense.

Once we hear the first explanation and see the first images, its very hard to dislodge them from our minds. We want to make sense of it so badly.

We all heard the touching story of the folks on flight 93 wrestling the plane away from the hijackers and so on. We wanted it to be true that they protected the Capitol. Thats a much better story than having it shot down by our own military.

We tend not to ask the big questions when we are in shock. But if we ask them too late its like we are questioning an official myth, a sacred story. The story we have does not really add up, but I am afraid the truth will not be known to anyone who was alive in 2001.
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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:17 AM
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44. An excellent start for the compiled list of Bush/Cheney/PNAC crimes.
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Niche Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:55 AM
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47. All true. Sadly the entire world knows this except the people in US.
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 12:57 AM by Niche
Everyone here are being ignored or supporting *. We need to wake up in this country and understand that we are in jeopardy because of the shit these criminals do. Hopefully the People of the World will stop *...


Personally I prefer a truthful theory of conspiracy
over the lying realities of sleep walking



P.S. And the dlc is in bed with neo cons - sorry if you know that just a reminder.
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 06:56 AM
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49. Great, great article!!!!
Everything I've already known in one place. I think I'll make a bunch of copies and when someone asks me why I am the way I am or why I
"don't like" bush i'll just hand this to them-i'm sick of arguing.
The best part is the last paragraph connecting Poppy bush to EVERYTHING. I truly believe he is at the root of all evil in this country. Thanks for pposting this!
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tngledwebb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:19 AM
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50. Nothing about the official version of 9/11 makes sense.
Nothing. Read the New Pearl Harbor. Read the Center for Cooperative Research Timeline, google Killtown, read the 9/11 Omission report...

And wait here patiently, now that this post has come to the 9/11 forum, to see the number of DU'ers hereabouts who haven't the slightest DOUBT about the official story line for 9/11.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 03:16 PM
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52. great article
He puts a lot of the most important information in on place.

In addition to this, to really get into the deeper aspects, I recommend "Crossing the Rubicon".

Reading that book gave me a feel for how the CIA works and how a covert operation like 9/11 could be pulled off.
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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 03:25 PM
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53. Might be interesting to hear what DU's resident OCT supporters have to say
They usually keep any thoughts and ideas to themselves, and all we get from them are attacks, questions, criticisms, and an endless variety of truth suppression and diversionary tactics designed to undermine the search for what really happened on 9/11. Course, most of them said they supported Kerry. For whatever that's worth - wink, wink.

Makes it hard to not wonder how their views differ from those of a political stripe that would make your grandfather's moustache spontaneously combust.
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 03:43 PM
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61. Frame up
A story well worth reading ( Ten pages in printout ) :
http://www.patshannan.bizland.com/assassinationscoverpage.html
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