In theory 9/11 is a good example of what Wikileaks is trying to expose

noise

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Sat Dec-04-10 01:15 PM
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In theory 9/11 is a good example of what Wikileaks is trying to expose

Edited on Sat Dec-04-10 01:56 PM by noise

1) The excessive government secrecy.

2) The fawning mainstream media coverage.

3) The authoritarian accusations against anyone who dares to challenge the low standard of political/media establishment conduct.

4) The authoritarian apologists who gleefully accept the low standard of conduct and rail against anyone who dares to question authority.

I say in theory because Assange is on the record denouncing 9/11 skepticism. It's ironic because he appears to resent that sort of authoritarian statement from government and media (i.e. the whole Wikileaks project).

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zappaman

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Sat Dec-04-10 01:22 PM
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1. Wikileaks is trying to expose 9/11?

That's news to me...so far, it looks like it's news to Wikileaks too!

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noise

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Sat Dec-04-10 01:32 PM
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3. The characteristics of government/media conduct

in relation to 9/11 are THE EXACT SAME as the issues Assange is trying to expose via Wikileaks.

I edited the OP to clarify the characteristics which are not issue specific.

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Bolo Boffin

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Sat Dec-04-10 01:29 PM
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2. 9/11 is a very bad example of what Wikileaks is trying to expose.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/features/wanted-by-the-cia-wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-14880073.html

What about 9/11? "I'm constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud."

9/11 is actually the type of conspiratorial thinking that Wikileaks and Julian Assange deplore: false conspiracies. Conspiracy claims (other than the truth - the 19) are distractions to the real conspiracies.

That's what Wikileaks actually stands for. Your attempt to tie 9/11 to Wikileaks is very sad.

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noise

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Sat Dec-04-10 01:38 PM
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4. I know what Assange said

Evidently he hasn't look into 9/11 sufficiently because his comment is ignorant.

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Bolo Boffin

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Sat Dec-04-10 01:48 PM
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5. The mental gymnastics required to know what Assange said and post this OP anyway astonish me. n/t

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noise

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Sat Dec-04-10 01:52 PM
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6. It is because you twist things

Edited on Sat Dec-04-10 01:57 PM by noise

I clarified the OP explaining that government/media conduct in relation to 9/11 fits the pattern of conduct Wikileaks is trying to expose.

If anything I'm noting that Assange is employing a double standard. He wouldn't be the first to so in regard to 9/11. Either that or he is ignorant.

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Bolo Boffin

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Sat Dec-04-10 02:08 PM
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7. I didn't make you twist anything, noise.

You dismiss Assange's skepticism of 9/11 conspiracy theories and then claim 9/11 is a good example of something Wikileaks is trying to expose. It isn't. Not at all.

So now you're in the unenviable position of claiming Wikileaks and Assange are somehow ignorant or worse, and yet you still seek their approval by trying to show 9/11 is something they should expose.

And we're the authoritarian ones?

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noise

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Sat Dec-04-10 02:25 PM
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8. You are twisting things after I made the necessary clarifications

Edited on Sat Dec-04-10 02:29 PM by noise

I don't seek their approval.

Here is the point of the OP:

I say in theory because Assange is on the record denouncing 9/11 skepticism. It's ironic because he appears to resent that sort of authoritarian statement from government and media (i.e. the whole Wikileaks project).

9/11 is something they should try to expose because the nature of the secrecy is no different. Why are the Soufan MFR's still classified over nine years after 9/11?

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mrarundale

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Sun Dec-05-10 02:53 AM
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9. Wikileaks is bullshit

Stuff is being leaked that "someone" wants us to believe and most of it isn't even new. If the corporate/defense contractor media wants some good stuff to leak it can be found in public records, no "leaks" necessary, but that would interfere with their business enterprises, so it won't happen. If Wikileaks had anything good the corporate media wouldn't go near it.
You guys can't be that naive....

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