A New Way has been found to Bottle Gravity.

Obama’s Blue Ribbon Panel on Free Energy.


I had a thought a few months ago. It’s simple but it would work.

There is more than one way to manipulate gravity.

They say the solar nor wind power will ever be the answer to our energy needs.

There is no way to store the energy produced in times of plenty. To be used at a later date and time.

In times of lean.

Which is true.

And then again. That is not true. You can store gravity.

That’s right. You can bottle gravity and use it later.

Here is how.

Hydro electric power like Hoover Dam. Lake Mead is reservoir Used to store water to be used to produce electricity. The lake fills up each spring with water. There is enough water in Lake Mead to last a whole year. Till when next spring comes around. And the Lake filles up again.

I you use the energy produced by solar and wind.. The excess energy it produces can be used to pump water up the hill and in to a reservoir. A lake up high. And then use that stored energy to produce electricity later.

You are not making a reservoir to store water in.

You are making a reservoir to store energy in. Gravity has a very long self life.

Water pressure. Gravity is what causes the water to build up pressure. The higher the water level the. The higher the water pressure goes.

Hoover dam has a water level of 650 feet. A lot lot lot of water pressure.

The sun shines all year. And the wind blows all year.

There is a over supply of sun light and wind. All over the planet. You can make as many solar cell or wind mills as we need. We can also build as many hydro electric power plants as you want.. If you are recycling your water. The water never gets used up. The reservoir never runs dry. You never run out of electricity.

You would need as big a reservoir below the dam as you have above the dam.

You wouldn’t need as big of a reservoir as lake Mead because you will be filling the lake all year long. Instead of just once a year.

You don’t use the solar power and wind power to produce electricity with.

You use the solar power and wind power to fill up the reservoir. Move the water in the reservoir up the hill And over the top of the dam. To the reservoir behind the dam..

You never run out of water because you never run out of sun light or wind.

You can fill up the reservoir just as fast as it empties out. Because there is no limit to how many solar cells or wind mills you can build. To refill the reservoir behind the dam.
There is nothing in the rule book that says how many of them that you can build.

Build more Wind Mills than you need.

And if the sun doesn’t shine for a few day or the wind doesn’t blow for a few days.

There is a reservoir there to carry us through till it does.

A back up system.

The reservoir is the back up system..

Bottled Gravity? Sure.

Solar cell power, and wind mill power. Coupled with the ”reservoir effect” used with Hydro electric power plants.

Is the answer to our power needs.

Where ever water flows. Electricity Go.

And there is an unending supple of flowing water because gravity is ever where. Gravity is with out end.

There is a endless supply of electricity out there. All you have to do is go get it

It’s there for the taking. Free.

Simple. And it works.

Sure enough, it wouldn't have been as big as Lake Mead.

Some background.

http://www.tva.gov/power/pdf/hydro.pdf

It really works.

Free Energy.

I didn’t know that.

They all ready have a name fore it.

The world's largest

“Pumped Storage Hydroelectric Plant”

It must be real. Right.

I’m working ways to develop Free Energy technologies.

I have found two and I’m working on the third one right now.


www.ufoworkshop.0catch.com

Larry

Solar Cells and Wind Mills by their self will not work

Because you can’t store the energy that they produce.

Hydro Electric Power Plants by their self will not work.

Because after the water goes through the plant. It’s done for. You can’t reuse it.

But if you put.

Solar Cell Power, and Wind Mill Power. Coupled with the ”reservoir effect” used with Hydro electric power plants. Working together as a team.

It does.

Because if you use them in this way.

There is a way to store the energy they produce. And you also get to recycle the water. This way you don’t every run out of water. Or electricity.

This way you can form a never ending cycle of producing Green Clean Free Energy.

Instead of using solar and wind to lift the water for recycling, why not just use the solar and wind to generate electricity?

Also have you considered how many acres of ground is required to generate enough solar energy to create a never ending cycle of pumping water to the higher level?

Every thing you are saying is true.

But what you are missing. Is

The fact that when the sun don’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow.

Solar and wind power runs out of gas Then what are you going to do?

There is nothing in the rule book that states how many solar cell or how many wind mills you can build.

If you build a lot more that you need in any one given day. There would be an excess of energy.

If you store that access energy in times of plenty. You would be able to use the excess in time of lean.

Like at night. Or next week when the sun doesn’t shine or the wind stops blowing.

If you only build enough solar cells and wind mills to meet the needs for one day.

When the sun doesn’t shine or the wind doesn’t blow. Your screwed. You just run out of gas.

Left high and dry.

Wouldn’t it be wiser to have a spar can of gas in the trunk of your car.. Just in case you run out of gas.

As of right now. Solar and wind doesn’t have a spar tire.

This the only thing that’s wrong with solar And wind power.

How do you fix it?

Get the spar tire thing, going

A lot of people will tell you why it want work. ( They have stock in a coal burning power plant? See).

I can see nothing in the rule book that states that we can’t fix any problems that solar wind power has. That can’t be fixed.

And fixed soon.

If you built one of these things in your own back yard.

You would never have to pay another power bill.

Any kind of power bill

We have electric cars now.

What were you saying about $ 6 dollar gas?

Not me man. I’ll not pay those kind of prices.

And you shouldn’t either. There are ways to get around it.

As of today.

Google pumped hydro storage...

http://www.solarfeeds.com/sustainable-businesscom/14747-secretary-chu-pushes-pumped-hydro-energy-storage


Pumped hydro storage uses excess electricity to pump water uphill to a reservoir. Then when electricity demand increases, the water is released downward through turbines to generate electricity that is fed into the grid.

You don't get back as much energy as you spent pumping the water to the reservoir.

It's good for load leveling with conventional generators since you can pump off peak and recover at peak.

I guess next you will discover kinetic storage and heat of fusion storage.

Keep digging, Larry, you're almost there.

It said that it is a new Concept.

Concept. That means that they have only talked about.

They have never tried it Yet

I don’t see any pictures of one in action. Because they haven’t built one yet.

I just thought of this ideal yesterday.

How did they get it up on the net so fast?

No wonder my dam electricity bill is so high. This makes me mad.

I’m going to build one of these thing and put it in my back yard.

And never pay another electric bill.

And so should you.

I only told about 900 people about this ideal. Just yesterday.

And now today. It’s all over the net.

This must be big.

I mean big. I’ve never seen any thing spread so fast.

This ideal is going to break the bank.

I have to go now and tell all my friends about this.

By

Zappaman was much better at this.

He's really operating on a high level of thinking that is truly astounding.
Keep it up, Larry!

Gravity has been around for a long time.

And the best part about gravity is.

It’s going to be around for a lot longer time to come.

Can’t be bought. Can’t be sold.

No one is going to pay you good money for gravity.

They have more than they need. More than they can use up in a life time.

And it’s this way with every one else.

There is so much gravity around now days. We are gravity poor.

If you just built a small one in your back yard. You could run your hose and your car off it.

And every body else’s house and car in town off it.

hmmm....

and, to be honest, I'm a little disappointed now.

But because I did so want to know what could be said about gravy that would necessitate posting it in the 9/11 forum!

Gravy, and any controversy surrounding gravy, however...
So piqued!

And the best part about gravity is.

It’s going to be around for a lot longer time to come.

Can’t be bought. Can’t be sold.

No one is going to pay you good money for gravity.

They have more than they need. More than they can use up in a life time.

And it’s this way with every one else.

There is so much gravity around now days. We are gravity poor.

If you just built a small one in your back yard. You could run your hose and your car off it.

And every body else’s house and car in town off it.

Farmer and ranchers have been using wind mills to pump water up out of the ground for a long time.

If a wind mill can pump water up out of the ground. 650 feet.


They can pump water up a hill to a storage tank. 650 feet.

650 Feet. That’s how deep the water level is on Hoover Dam

It produces the Electric Power to run Las Vegas, Phoenix, San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Salt Lake City, and all of the little towns in between.

I’m not saying that you should go out and build your self a Hoover Dam.

To have a in house generator. All you would need a big storage tank at the top of a 650 hill. And 1/4 plastic tube to the bottom of the hill. To your generator.

And a big storage tank at the bottom of the hill. And several old ranch stile wind mils to pump the water back up the hill to the storage tank.

Never pay another Electricity Bill

If every body did this.

The Power Co. Would go broke.

They say that if you hook up your system to the grid. The power co. has to send you a check at the end of the month$$$.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2067716,00.html#ixzz1L9UIzsMC


If they can get the whole island to run off this dam thing.

Surely I can get my front porch light to work off one.

Greenest Place on earth? What How can this be?

Has Any body told Obama about his yet? May be you should. Good thinking.

I got to get my hand on one of these things.

Money from nothing. How can this be?

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2067716,00.html#ixzz1L9UIzsMC




Snip

“Absolutely this technology can be applied elsewhere.”

What he should have said is.

“Any Where”

Merkel Texas.

Here we come.

I think you're missing the point. Using a windmill to pump water up a hill to a reservoir and then using gravity to turn a turbine will end up with a net energy amount less than you would have if you just hooked the windmill up to the generator.

You're going to say that you don't care about the net energy loss as you want to use the reservoir to store electricity for when the windmill isn't turning. Exactly how big of a reservoir do you think you'll need? Seen any new dams lately? They've been trying to build the Auburn dam for years but people aren't too thrilled to have the enormous amount of water it can hold behind a dam built on a fault line.

Just use batteries and an inverter. If you can afford them, use Lithium ion batteries instead of lead acid and you shouldn't have to worry about hydrogen buildup but I seem to recall they do get hot.


Someone else mentioned it but using a reservoir as a storage place isn't a new idea. It does make sense to use electricity during the lowest load hours to fill the reservoir and release the water when demand is higher along with the rates but we're not talking some 5HP Honda pump here. It takes a lot of power to move enough water during the low demand period and it has to be a lot of water to make it worthwhile.

There is a minor problem either way. Hydro power works because of gravity. Not only do you have to find a acceptable place for a reservoir, it also has to be higher than your power station.

Say we find that place but it has several families living there. The greater good would seem to be to offer these families more than what their property is worth. In theory it sounds good. Now go tell someone who has family that built this house a hundred years ago and their decedents don't want to move, now what?

Suppose it's your house that needs to be demolished, would you agree to move?

Oh yeah, the Hoover dam. I seem to recall a river feeds it, the Colorado. Exactly how many windmills would it take to fill? I'm sure the users of the local aquifer would love to hear about someone pumping out enough water to fill lake Mead.

Where are you going to put this water after you've used its energy? We're not talking about a 1000 gallon tank, we're talking a lake sized tank; it might even be as large or larger than the reservoir up top???

Oh yeah, you're going to get usable energy out of 1/4" tube? That's going to be your penstock, really? Look up the Hoover dam and look at their penstocks.

So you’re the one with all the brains around here. I was wondering when you would come out of the shadows and showed your hand.

I have been talking to a lot of people about this ideal.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=228

and here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=125

Why is it that when scientists say it . It a good ideal

But here at the Sept 9/11 forum when I say it.

I’m the crack pot?

I’m was to late. Other scientists thought of it first.

Oh well.

So you’re the one with all the brains around here

Great job, you just insulted some serious heavy lifters here.

Instead of links, how about some direct answers to the issues raised here?

Almost everyone in the dungeon has a high degree of scientific knowledge; they don't post and run. That is why people scoff at your ideas; well that and claims like mastering gravity. I'm mastering it right now to hold me to my seat, impressive, yes?

Like I said, answer some of the questions posted by some of the knowledgeable folks here, you know, something like a dialog?

1) So, where are we building this reservoir and how high is the head going to be.

2) Exactly how big of a turbine are you going to spin using your 1/4" hose. I'm too lazy to do the calculations but I think with a diameter of 1/4", you could have a head of 100' or 1000' and you'll still get the same pressure and flow, until your plastic hose bursts.

Work with us here.

Is it safe to say you're a free energy guy? If so, what are you using to power your house? Do you have a schematic of this free energy device? I'll analyze it and tell you what I think.

A few years ago someone mentioned that they had a free energy device but they wouldn't kick down the schematics because I wouldn't have understood them. Yeah right.

When this guy proves his 'motor' is over unity and can drive itself into perpetuity, then maybe I'll believe.
http://www.josephnewman.com/

Until then, he still has to power it. If it's over unity, why doesn't he hook the output to the input through whatever buffer he needs and disconnect the mains and let er rip? Insert your favorite conspiracy theory here to explain why he hasn't done this.
I remember one reason was that the gov would arrest him.

1) I knew it had to be you before I even clicked on a link.
2) I think that's been known for about a 100 years.
3) Great idea, lets build it in your backyard?
4) If you're pumping water uphill to save it, your net energy gain would be negative. In other words, it takes more energy to pump that water up to the reservoir we're building in your backyard than you can get out of it even if you use wind power. There are other ways to store energy.

How do you think the solar cells on a house work? If they have a gain over what they use in a day, they store it in batteries for night use. Don't get too excited that solar cells and batteries are DC and house current in the US is 60HZ AC. Solar houses use an inverter that takes the DC, oscillates it so it can go through a transformer and voila, AC.
In fact, they wouldn't even need a transformer if they use 60hz as the oscillator frequency and the batteries have enough voltage to overcome inverter losses. The problem is while you might have enough voltage, you're going to need some serious transistors in the inverter to supply enough current for the house.

In fact, a lot of high power lines use DC as it eliminates the RC losses.

I'm aware they have power MOS and CMOS transistors (or FETS) available but they ain't cheap, to replace the output devices in a decent stereo can cost easily 100$, ask me what it's like to see those devices go up in smoke which is why I always use a variac now.

Two questions:

Will we have to pay deposits on the bottles?

How soon do you think gravity might be available in cans?

thanks
larry

Just use a waterwheel to drive a pump in order to pump the water back to the top.

You should find these inspiring:





Now, get to work.

It derives its power from the water wheel. Now if it was in a stream it would work but it's not. It uses the energy of the water to power a grinding mill and to pump the used water back to the head. It also looks to be using an Archimedes screw to move the water back to the top. Don't they need to be enclosed at least on the bottom or is that a hollow pipe wrapped around the post instead?



The second one looks at first glance as it might be possible but it won't work either. It will grind to a stop once the water in the tank is gone since it can't produce enough energy to pump enough volume of water to keep the top tank full to power the wheel. And no, you can change the gear ratio between the gears to whatever and it still won't work. It kind of reminds me of a drawing of a perpetual motor where they used a wheel like that with hammers on hinges. The idea was that as the wheel rotated, once one hammer got to the top, it would swing out and move the wheel using the leverage as a mechanical force. Then when it got to the bottom the hammer would be close to the wheel so it took less energy on the upside. Didn't work either.

Now, I know you know this and are being facetious for the humor factor; I just don't want to see another thread where they take your postings and say, AHA!, we solved the energy crisis.

Hell, I'm waiting for someone to post an alternator connected to a motor mechanically and electrically so it runs forever.

I cannot for the life of me figure the joy you find in debunking 400 year old bad ideas.

To be honest, I wanted to see if he still ran with them even after my post. After all, I'm a skeptic and anything I post or say is part of some government conspiracy that is so secret I don't know about it although I'm in it.

I also had some free time, too.

I'm still chuckling over this:

This is either satire, or -- well, never mind. I prefer to think it's satire. Whatever it is, I don't think there is much point in worrying about our words being twisted.

I don't know 90 people let alone 900. I wonder if they're fellow travelers in the wormhole.

"I have to go now and tell all my friends about this." I guess 900 people is just the inner circle. Or maybe the mailing list?

Also, Larry seems to think that all these links on pumped storage hydro sprang into being in response to his brainstorm: "I just thought of this ideal yesterday. How did they get it up on the net so fast?"

Anyway.

Liked your post. Heavy Lifter dude.


Perpetual motion? Net gain over unity?

Sure. It’s all true. These things are found in nature.

The election found in the atom. Is transit energy. It is in motion. It never runs down.

Gravity can be tracked back to the mass of the election found in the atom.


Because the electron is in a closed loop cycle that never runs down.

Gravity never runs down with time. It runs on for ever. Perpetual motion? Sure it true.

If you use the force of gravity as a unit of work. Which is equal to a unit of energy.

The amount of energy it would take to make the moon go in a circle around the earth

Change it path. Given enough time. The energy needed to accelerate the moon in a curved path.

In the end would exceed the energy that the atoms are made of.

Net gain over unity. Sure it’s true.

Happens every day. Why! It’s happening right now as I speak.

Why do you ask?

When I say free energy. What I mean is. I don’t have to pay any one else for it

There for. Such an stuff. It is free. It’s all true.

Man can not make perpetual motion work.

Beggars can’t be choosers.

But there are way that he can have his energy for free. There is nothing in the rule book that says that he must pay any one for his energy.

I’m working on it.

It’s an on going process.

If you want. I will keep you posted on my progress.

Then you will know how to do these things.

Liked your post. Heavy Lifter dude.


Perpetual motion? Net gain over unity?

Sure. It’s all true. These things are found in nature.

The election found in the atom. Is transit energy. It is in motion. It never runs down.

Gravity can be tracked back to the mass of the election found in the atom.


Because the electron is in a closed loop cycle that never runs down.

Gravity never runs down with time. It runs on for ever. Perpetual motion? Sure it true.

If you use the force of gravity as a unit of work. Which is equal to a unit of energy.

The amount of energy it would take to make the moon go in a circle around the earth

Change it path. Given enough time. The energy needed to accelerate the moon in a curved path.

In the end would exceed the energy that the atoms are made of.

Net gain over unity. Sure it’s true.

Happens every day. Why! It’s happening right now as I speak.

Why do you ask?

When I say free energy. What I mean is. I don’t have to pay any one else for it

There for. Such an stuff. It is free. It’s all true.

Man can not make perpetual motion work.

Beggars can’t be choosers.

But there are way that he can have his energy for free. There is nothing in the rule book that says that he must pay any one for his energy.

I’m working on it.

It’s an on going process.

If you want. I will keep you posted on my progress.

Then you will know how ro do these things.




This is what I found out so far.

Home made solar panels? Sure there real.


http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=5&oq=home+made+solar+panels&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4PRFA_enUS423US431&q=homemade+solar+panels+youtube



Cheap? Sure.

http://www.homemadeenergy.org/index-mb?tid=coast&838c9e8668c44b4fb28ce260e5bc1ef4=

Watch video at bottom of page.

Got this link of Coast To Coast home page.

You can make them cheaper than you can by them for.

So we have the solar panel thing in the bag.

Now for the cheap wind mill.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4PRFA_enUS423US431&q=home+made+electric+wind+mills

We want some thing that is easy to build.

http://www.scoraigwind.com/

This one? No to hard to build



This is the one that you want.

http://riobrisa.com/windpower/

It uses a car alternator.

This. Any one could build. Very simple.

The only thing that I can see wrong with it is the prop blade. Which can be fixed.. No problem.

And it doesn’t have a thrust bearing.

Or better yet. Used truck alternator.

Or better yet. A generator from an emergency back up generator from Home Dept. About $600.


http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=0&oq=emergency+back+up+generator&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4PRFA_enUS423US431&q=emergency+backup+generator



Now that’s a big generator.

http://www.dieselserviceandsupply.com/


What we need.

http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/

or better yet.

They can be had for half price on e-bay. Hint, Hint.

Now.

You have looked at all the blades on all of the props.

You have to ask your self. What is wrong with this picture.

Those are some of the sorriest props I have ever seen.

If any body should know any thing about props It should be me. Long story.

Prop blades have to be chambered. The have to have the right pitch.

The right angle of attack. The prop has to twist from the root end to the tip end.

It is a compound complex twist.

Props blades are a developmental shape. That means that you can place a straight edge down the center of it.

How in the world can you take a compound complex twisted shape and have a straight line in it.

We are back to the shape of worm holes.

A inverse vortex has just such a shape. Hyperbolic. Have you ever seen a wicker chair where the bass of the seat was made of straight sticks of cane.

If you start a the smallest part of the inverse vortex. And off set a line by 5 degrees.

If this line is down the center of your blade.

It will make a blade that is like no other. If you make a fan out of about eight of these blades. And get the right angle of attack on it..

It will out preform all other blades.

Gravity is 99% effective way to store energy.

If we use some thing other than water. Like a weight.

A heavy weight on the end of a very long line on the inside of a very deep hole.

If the weight was 10,000 pounds and the hole was 5,000 feet deep.

If the line was attached to a reel. On one side of the reel was a way to use energy to wind up the reel.

And on the other side of the reel was a gear box and a generator.

If the weight went down a very slow rate. It might take three days to go all the way to the end of the hole.

This means that we could go three days with out sun shine or wind. And still have electricity.

But if all failed. We could go back on the grid till there was sun shine or wind again.

But on days that there was more than enough sun and wind that we could use.

The power meter would run backwards.

Think of this. Do the math

If we were able to stay off the grid for 26 days out of the month. And in that 26 days we produced 34 days of power.

If the month had 30 days in it.

At the end of the month the power company would owe us for four days of power.

The only thing that is better than free is if it pays you for what ever it is that you are doing.

Playing the power game.

Oh. One more thing. Out here in Sweetwater Tx. Where I live. That T. Boom Pickens person has made a lot of wind mills. I mean a lot.

The problem is that the people that need the power live in Houston Tx.

They say the resistance that the electron produces when it moves through the wire when it has to go a long ways. 500 miles. By the time that the power gets down there. It has lost half it’s energy.

But if every so many miles you put in another wind mill to replace the energy lost. By the time it got down to Houston. It might have more power in the wire than it started out with.

In fact you could run a grid from Ca. to NY. And have power all day long.

In fact if you ran a grid all the way around the earth.

Why hell. If you were using solar panels. To run your grid off of.

The sun would never set on your grid.

It’s the only way I can think of to make a solar cell work at night.

Do the math.

OK, I hadn't planned on living long enough to go over everything in your post so lets concentrate on 2 things.

1) I know about props. If you look at the newest engines for the 787, the front fan in a high bypass jet engine is actually a propeller and that is where most of the thrust comes from. It still comes out the back as heat from the turbine but they've found using a high bypass engine is far more efficient than simply using the thrust out the back of the engine. If you look at the front fans on both the Rolls Royce or GE engines, the blades are an incredibly complex shape. Same thing goes for submarine props. In fact, I think Toshiba sold some of the US secret info on sub props to the Russians. What I don't understand is what this has to do with wormholes. I would say it has everything to do with fluid dynamics.

2) The idea of using gravity as a storage device. While it is technically possible to suspend a heavy weight over a mile long hole in the Earth and translate its vertical motion to circular so you could drive a generator; what happens when the weight is literally at the end of its rope? Like happens in a clock powered by weights? It will take more energy to pull the weight back up than you got from dropping it. So, I assume you want to use a windmill or something to wind the weight back up. There will always be conversion losses so why not hook the windmill up to a generator and eliminate the middleman? Just think of the gearing ratio it would take to have a windmill raise a 10,000 pound weight a mile. Now, say your not talking about a simple farm windmill but a large power windmill they use in windmill farms like at the Altamont pass; you might have the required power but there is still the conversion losses. Like in my first sentence, I'm assuming you want to use such a Rube Goldberg device to store the energy for when it's not windy or it's nighttime if we're talking solar cells. It might be possible but is it worth it? Just how much energy is a 10,000 pound (4535KG) weight dropped 5280 feet (1.61KM) going to generate and more importantly, how long? F=MA, let me know when you've run the numbers; I forget the units but the end result is Newtons I believe.

The prop thing.

The turbofan props used on the engines used on 9/11 are a fixed pitch prop. The pitch is set at a angle so that th engines will turn a peak RPM at high altitude where the air is much thinner.

This is why we know that the video were faked. The jet was moving at 500+ MPH. At sea level the air is much thicker. The fix pitch turbofan props are taking to much a of a big bite out of air. In turn. The engines can not turn th rpm to reach peak horse power to reach speed of 500+ mph.

They lied. And we know it. This is how we know it

But the same is true about the props on wind mills. The air speed used to turn the wind mills is fro 5 to 30 mph. The kind of prop you need is the very same kind of props they use on indoor model air planes. A high drag to lift cofactor. When you can combined drag and lift in to one force. You have a prop that is next to none.

The planes fly at speeds of 1.5 mph. You can walk faster than they can fly.

A Low rpm high drag to lift cofactor. The speed of the prop is slower close to the center than it is at the out side tip of the prop. This means that the angle of attack ( the pitch) has to very from root to tip. It has to have a twist built in to it.

The way they make the prop. Is take a thing sheet of wood. Wet it. The place it on a mold to get the chambered blade. A tin can. But they found out that the could get a little bit of twist in the blade by off setting the blade to the center line of the can. But it just wasn’t right.

Then they got it a little closer by using s cone shape. Not right yet.

You are talking to the man that showed them how to make a prop blade that was right by placing the blade on a mold that has the shape of an inverse vortex. I used plant pot from Wal-Mart. Looks like the flared end of a horn. Tuba.

But what I fly is ornithopter. The wings of a bird is nothing more than a reciprocating prop blade.

They have to have the ability to reverse it angle of pitch relative to the angle of attack of the relative wind direction.. On the up and down stroke. And the have to have built in to the ability to very the pitch.

A self adjusting verbal pitch, reciprocating pitch prop that varies from root to tip that is a chamber air foil.

What we need for good wind mills is a low speed high torque turbofan, with a self adjusting verbal pitch prop that the angle of attack relative to the relative wind that varies from root to tip that is a chamber air foil.

Find it here

http://ornithopter.de/english/index_en.htm

Yes that it. We got it. It’s in the bag.

Generators work best at high speeds. You are going to need a gear box of some kind.

Look here.

http://riobrisa.com/windpower/

His wind mill has got a gear box. Not a bad buy for $6.95. When it could save you $300 bucks a month. Or better yet. Have the power company pay you $400 bucks a month.

What is wrong with it can be fixed. A different kind of prop would fix it.

The other thing storage. In many states they have passed laws that states that if you have a in house generator. You have to be hooked up to the grid.

If you have a in house generator. If the meter is running forward. You pay them. If the meter runs backwards they pay you.

Putting energy in to the grid is like putting money into the bank.(storage) You can make it. You can store it. You can draw it out agin at a later date.

Think about this. Do the math.

No body likes to pay. Every body likes to make money.

If every body has a in-house generator. And the power company has to pay every body at the end of the month.

This means that the power company would be losing money every month instead of having money coming in.

In the end. Sooner or later. Wouldn’t the power company go broke? Sure.



The more thing.


Snip from Cat.

“Hell, I'm waiting for someone to post an alternator connected to a motor mechanically and electrically so it runs forever”

That’s not what you want. I’ll tel you what you want.

Alternator and a generator are two different thing.

A permeant magnet electrical motor and a all electrical motor are two different things.

A all magnet motor is still some thing different all together .

And a electrical generator that runs off gravity is a cat of a different color all together.

Did you see that? Look there goes one now. There real.

If you were taking note of all the links that I have been posting. You should have seen it.

I saw it. You didn’t. So there.

This link shows you how they are building their generator for the wind mill.

http://www.otherpower.com/turbineplans.shtml

This link shoes you how they made their copper coils for their generator.

http://www.otherpower.com/coilwinder.shtml

This link shows you what it looks like when it all put together.( Lot of picture. It takes time to down load. Just like my web page.)

Did you see it? Did you see it. OH My God. I saw it. It’s real.

What I n saw and you didn’t. This tells me that you have never made an electric generator in your life.

They are not using a iron core center in their copper coils.

If you use a iron core center. The generator will produce a lot more electricity. It takes a lot of energy to turn a generator with iron cores.

If you are using copper coils with out any iron coils. It takes very little energy to turn the generator.

So this is their little dirty secret on how they were able to use such a sorry prop. And geta way with it.

To move a magnet past a iron core. It takes a lot of energy.

When a magnet passes by a coil of copper wire. It doesn’t produce any force. And is still able to produce a electrical current.

How much current are they producing? If go looking a all the picture on all these wind mill One of these pages shows a picture of where they has a short in their wires. It burnt the copper wire in to. The gage of wire that they are using is big enough to carry 220 current. A lot.

Think about this. It takes very little force to produce 220 current.

Have you every heard of a multi-disk clutch? It has more than one disk plate and more than one pressure plate.

You can do the same thing with generators.

http://www.otherpower.com/otherpower_experiments.html

Here the link you should be looking at. Three pages on same link

But if you do it this way. You can hook up as many generator as you want.


http://riobrisa.com/windpower/

So if it takes very little energy to produce a lot of electricity. At some point you will be producing enough electricity to run a electrical motor to turn the generators. And have a lot left over to power your house.

Now about the all magnetic motor.

To understand what makes an all magnetic motor work. You have to understand what makes an electrical a motor work

They take an iron core and rape it with copper wire. Send an electrical current through it. It forms a coil magnet.
Turn on and off the current. And you can turn on and off the magnet.

And if you can do this. Well there is a lot of things you can do with it. Like make a motor.

So to get a al magnet motor to work. You have to find a way to make a permeant magnet to work as if it is being turned on and off.

The key word is “as if.” You can turn on and off a permeant magnet.

Lets explore the different way that this can happen..

Crate an unbalance system. Where the forces are over ridden by some other means.

There many techniques that we can use.

The simplest way to do this. Cause the force to very. Get stronger or weaker.

By simply moving the two magnets closer or further a way from each other.

Just how hard can this be? Real simple.

Kinetic energy. Sure .Go a head and use as much kinetic energy as you want. It’s all free stuff.

Mass. Gravity, centrifugal force, inertia.

Canceling out of opposing forces. Overriding of a force with some other force.

Mechanical advantages of kinetic mechanical forces. In line lock. Two blocked. Spending of a forces.

Ways of avoiding a force. Ways of storing a force to be used later during the closed loop cycle.

The possibility are endless.

What we are dealing with is some form of closed loop cycle. Things like feed back.

All forces have to be accounted for

Lets start with this.

Did you know that a magnet is attracted to a iron.

Did you know that if you place one magnet on one side of a thin sheet of iron. The iron will not turn off the force field of the magnet.

But if you place the north end of one magnet on one side of a thin sheet of steel and the north end of another magnet on the other side of the thin sheet of iron.

The two north end of the Magnet will not repel their selves. We have just found a way to turn off the forces of two magnets by way of over ridding and canceling out the two forces. With the attracting forces of a thin sheet of iron. Neat. Cool.

What I did was make a fly weight wheel with small flat and long stick of wood with a steel shaft through the center of it. I put the magnet at one end of the stick and a counter weight at the other end and balanced it out. About the same thing a prop blade on a shaft. A spinning wheel. A top.

The magnet is going in a circle. If you place a long thin strip of thin iron next the circle of the magnet. Just like if you draw a circle then draw a straight line next to the circle. The magnet will come to rest at the point at where the magnet closest to the strip of iron.

Then I bent the strip of iron in a circle and it did the same thing.

Then I cut a 90 degree of the circle out of the loop. Placed one end closest to the circle that the magnet makes. And the magnet came to rest at the end that was closest to the magnets circle.

Seems simple enough to me. Every thing is doing every thing it’s suppose to be doing.

The fly wheel is a closed loop cycle. It is also a closed loop reciprocating cycle. Just like you car engin. It has cam action in it. It has a point in the cycle where there is a dead top center in it.

I glued a magnet on a big wooden block of wood. Placed the out side magnet next to the path of the circle that the magnet on the end of the stick goes.

The north sides of the two magnets are facing each other. That mean that they will produce a repelling force.

As the two forces of the magnets come closer to each other. They produce a repelling forces that resist each other. But when they reach the dead top center of the cycle. The force turns off.

What? What do you mean that the force of the magnets just turned off.

It’s true. It preforms as if the forces just turn it’s self off. What happened is when it is at the point where it is at the dead top center of the cycle. The force is equal on both sides. The force gets turned of by way of canceling out or the forces are being off set by each other.

Kind of like balancing a BB on a razors edge. If you have it dead ringer fore dead top center. Take your hands off it. It will just set there and look at you. You can just blow on it a little and Bang. Off it goes. If the magnet moves less than 1 degree pasted dead top center. Off it goes under it own power.

And the magnets will not move a way from each other because the is a in line lock. Kinetic energy.

Now if you take the 90 degree of iron strip and place the end that is closest to the inside magnet.

And also in the center of the out side magnet.

Make four of these set up. Each 90 degrees around the loop of the inside magnet.

If you set the inside magnet in motion. The inertia or forward mas. It’s weight in motion.

The thin iron strip will make the inside magnet move to the closest point to the circle that the inside magnet makes. The end of the strip. The iron strip turn off the repelling force of the two magnets.
The dead top center is the place where the forces are turned off due to the in line lock.
The point where the iron strip ends is also the point to where the repelling forces is turned off to. Which is also the point where the iron stops producing an attraction force.
Inertia Makes the inside magnet go on through the point where the dead top canter is at.

And we all know what happens when the inside magnet goes past dead top center. Hi ho. A way bid Dan. We are off to the races.
This also the point where the inside magnet starts being attached to the next thin iron strip. In the next 90 degrees cycle of the loop.

The 90 degree cycle over lap each other. Because when one inside magnet is producing a repelling force. At the same time the thin iron strip in the next 90 degree cycle is all ready producing an attraction force.

There is a repelling force of the out side magnet and an attracting force due to the thin iron strip of the next 90 degree cycle. At the same time.

And on it goes. And goes and goes.

Now Cat. If you have a generator that can produce electricity, with no resisting force and on the same drive line shaft. An all magnetic motor that produces net gain of force. Will make the hole system turn At a very fast rate.

You are going to get electricity like no other.

The gravity propelled generator that the man that made the Coral Castle Ed in Homestead Florida is still down there today for your inspection.

The same worm hole he used to turn rocks in to dust to make the rock blocks used to build the Coral Castle is also the same worm hole Ed used to over ride gravity and lift them up and place them on top of each and built the coral Castle.

Which is also the same worm hole Ed uses to make his in-house generator run. Which is also the same worm hole Ed used for transportation on his bike.

They stold my ideal again.

This makes the third time this week that they have did this to me.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D329636&h=367&w=600&sz=28&tbnid=7LgdmuOEdaJmBM:&tbnh=83&tbnw=135&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmagnet%2Bmotors%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=magnet+motors&hl=en&usg=__pSN3vqRBxE_PlqNfqqW0PhIshFU=&sa=X&ei=Di7ZTaH4Ic2htwe1uuzoDg&ved=0CEgQ9QEwBA

Did you see that.

They did it wrong. What do I have to do in order for them to get it right.

Draw them a picture? Sure. I could do that. I thing I will.

What the iron strip does is not shielding. Bur canceling out the forces. The next best thing to turning on and off a permeant magnet

Isn’t that what makes a electrical motor work? Sure it is.

They didn’t place the end of the iron strip at the edge of the dead trop center of the two magnets.

It really has to be past the center of the magnets. Just a little.

They didn’t put a curve in the thin iron strip.

They didn’t build it as cycle with four phases in it

Or four strokes to the close loop system With four magnets at 90 degrees apart.

When the magnets are propelling their selves. The attracting force of the iron strip produces enough force to prevent the magnets from going all the way round.

What you have to do is have a magnet in between two different sheets of iron

The same amount of force it takes to pull the magnet a way from one sheet of iron is also the same force that a magnet produces when it is attracted to another sheet of iron in the other 180 degree out direction.

Look at the picture. They didn’t do this. No wander they can’t get dam thing to work.

As the magnet gets further from one sheet of iron. The is a force on the magnet to impede it from doing so.

But at the same time the magnet is being attracted to the others strip. The next strip in line to go to. The two forces cancel each other out. Do the math 1 - 1 = 0

The Newton thing For ever action there is a equal and opposite reaction

The math. 1 - 1 = 0

But if you can find a way to turn off a permanent magnet as it approaches the other magnet til it goes past the Dead top center point in the cycle. Then turn back on the permanent magnet you will have surplus of energy.

The math 1 - 0 = 1

I’m going to do the picture thing. Right now. Be back later.

Boy this makes me mad.

The nerve of those guys!

I got those picture for you on the magnet motor thing..

http://www.ufoworkshop.0catch.com/magthing.html

Larry

I haven't had time this weekend but I did go to your website. You need a website that doesn't try to open 4 windows and has a bunch of pop ups of dubious provenance if you want people to go there. I had to close the windows before I could even look hard at your magnet motor design. Although, it is generally accepted that the only energy you can get out of a magnet is to move it through a coil of wire or vice-versa. Even though magnets seem to have stored energy, you can't make a simple magnet powered motor that takes advantage of the attraction force of a permanent magnet. You can't even get a self sustaining magnet motor that just powers itself and nothing else although people have tried by using shields, moving the magnets away at the top of the motor so there's more attraction at the bottom; it just doesn't work.

Interesting (but in the end wrong) linkage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYcjjSfiNNE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_jw48Ew4Do

http://permanent-magnet-generator.com/

I'm not endorsing these theories or websites, I'm just pointing out that people have been trying this for a long time.

Joseph Newman has been trying this for years.
http://www.josephnewman.com/

Is it against DU rules to post your drawing here?

The moon in orbit. Doesn’t run down

No air.= no wind drag

It doesn’t it doesn’t create any friction when it turns because it is in orbit.

If the moon was a magnet and you had some copper coils up there in space.

You could produce electricity till the end of time. Free energy.


You can do the very same thing here on the ground.

Magnet top?

http://www.levitron.com/

Plus a vacuum jar.

http://www.greenoptimistic.com/2010/01/19/magnetic-pendulum-a-free-energy-device-running-for-three-years-now/

The magnet device (swing thing) may be in a vacuum. = no wind drag.

He is also using the mechinical adavantage of a in- line lock.

I have the same in= line lock set up on my drawing board.

Put the magnet top in a vacuum jar. Give it a spin. And it would spin fore every


Why?

No wind drag. And.

The top is levitating. It’s not in orbit. But it is levitating.

What’s the difference? There is a difference. But they both are free floating. Free floating = No drag.



Those wind mill generators do not produce any drag. And still produce electricity.

http://www.otherpower.com/stator.shtml

All copper coils with no iron core.

The magnet top has a fly wheel. You can store kinetic energy in a fly wheel.

If you used a round dish and use magnets as your counter weights. You would have your fly wheel and your rotating magnets.

All you would need to do is build some copper coils.

Build a metal box to put it in.

Give it a spin. Pull down your vacuum.
It would spin for ever. Just like the moon.

And as long as it is spinning.

It would be producing electricity.

Will try to get the pictures on my page to night

One on vacuum jar thing

and on the in - line lock thing

There is a trick to getting on my web page.

Left click TOOLS then go all the way to bottom of window.

Left click INTERNET OPTIONS then

left click SECURITY then

Put security of internet all the way up on high. And do the same for privacy

Then save it all.

Good to see you've thought this thing thru and have presented it in a manner that makes total sense!
Thanks!

Just put some new stuff up to night .

Go check it out.

You will never be able to think right again


http://www.ufoworkshop.0catch.com/magthing.html

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that shithouse rats are indeed crazy?

I put up some more picture and text on my web page to night.

http://www.ufoworkshop.0catch.com/junemagthing.html


Larry L. Burks

1) How do you keep your tin can counter weight parallel to horizontal if it's on a bearing?
2) Where is it mounted to the ground?

A quick analysis since it's so hard to tell what's moving and what's not, it will grind to a halt quickly.

Now, re-draw it showing all the bearings, and label each part like a,b,c,d. Then, create a chart that says, "a moves causing b to move vertically which causes the magnet at c to attract the magnet on d and so on. Make it a jpg too so it can be posted here.

ETA: Now to go to the Patent office to steal your idea muwahhahaha!.

Seriously, how can I keep up with all of your revolutionary ideas if you are going to hide them in this old thread.

This is important information that should first be posted in the Environment/Energy forum, so they get a first crack at it.