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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 01:19 AM
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Official - "What really happened in Norway" thread
Edited on Sat Jul-23-11 01:20 AM by jberryhill
Have at it.
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 02:00 AM
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1. Seems like BUSHCO is still active. n/t
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 05:11 AM
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2. It smells fishy... as always
Edited on Sat Jul-23-11 05:11 AM by jakeXT
Still no answers from the embassy

November 8, 2010

Former Prime Minister Kjell Magne Bondevik has joined the chorus of those wanting answers from US officials about their controversial surveillance program. A US Embassy spokesman claimed over the weekend that “the US stands ready to answer any questions the Government of Norway might ask” on the operation of its “Surveillance Detection Unit” in Oslo, but Norwegian officials say they haven’t received the answers they seek.

Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg (left) was in New York late last week, when the US Embassy's surveillance scandal overshadowed his deliverance of a report on financing climate change measures to the UN.

Current and former government officials still maintain the Americans never informed them of the surveillance operations, which are suspected of being illegal.

http://www.newsinenglish.no/2010/11/08/still-no-answers-from-the-embassy/
http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/11/04/nyheter/erling_folkvord/innenriks/pst/usa/14144558/


Does anyone know more about this 71 ayear old Olaf Johan Johansen, ex anti terror chief ?

He could be old enough to have been around when Gladio was still in it's infancy.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 06:02 AM
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3. Jens Stoltenberg watched Bushco very closely
and is now trying to institute a totalitarian regime.
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 08:33 AM
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4. Right wing extremist
Greetings from Norway.

The police have arrested the man behind the terror attack. He is a 32 years old Norwegian. A right wing extremist.

At first everybody thought it would be Al Qaida behind this.

So did I. Last night I had a look around on the internet, and there were quite a few people arguing that this was a false flag attack. ( Saying why would islamists kill young people at Utøya, the day after these same people gave a strong statement for a palestinian state, and got the Norwegian foreign minister to also give a statement that Israels occupation must end. )

But now, with this right wing extremist arrested, I don´t think anyone will still bring forth alternative theories.

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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 10:29 AM
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5. Are you kidding?

I think you underestimate the power of the crazy.

Over at freepville, they've managed to figure out that this guy was a deep cover Muslim sleeper agent masquerading as a right winger, in order to provoke a backlash against freeper types.

There has got to be a more creative one than that.

Round up the usual suspects.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 02:11 PM
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6. All they have to do is read his writings...
Edited on Sat Jul-23-11 02:11 PM by AntiFascist
he associated the multi-cultural acceptance of Muslims with Marxism. His anti-Marxist views are precisely why he targeted future leaders of the Labour Party. He did what many tea partiers probably dream about.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 04:05 PM
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22. There is evidence
that his social network pages were hacked AFTER the attack. 'Quotes' are not reliable evidence at this point.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 05:06 PM
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23. I'm not talking about his social networking pages....
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 05:14 PM
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24. His lawyer
His lawyer was on Norwegian television an hour ago.

Said that his client wants tomorrows meeting(?) in the court to be open to the press, hoping to get his worldview out to as many as possible.

And that he has also requested to be allowed to appear in court in a uniform. ( I don´t know what kind of uniform. )

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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:45 PM
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8. That is how I understood it from the postings on his fb page k-robjoe
An extremist christian social conservative and ultra Zionist, who was enraged at Norway's acceptance of a Palestinian state.

As a Norwegian, I suspect you have better insight than many over here.
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 05:59 PM
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11. Well
Edited on Sat Jul-23-11 06:03 PM by k-robjoe
I can tell you that there is a blogger "over there" that I read regularly, and today I saw that he was still sort of implying that there was something more to the story. That he found it sort of unlikely that this guy could gun down eighty people on this island all by himself.

I left a comment about what I had seen on Norwegian television. Young survivors, still shaking, telling about how this guy had a machine pistol, and how he gunned downed maybe twenty people in just a few seconds.

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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 06:24 PM
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12. Second shooter
Now I read on the web that actually some survivors tell the police that there must have been a second shooter on the island. They heard shots from two different directions. Some say they saw the second shooter. That he was also Norwegian/Nordic, but had dark hair. ( The guy they arrested has blond hair. )

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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 07:14 PM
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13. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a second shooter
Our news reports suggest there was a 90 minute window from when the shooting began and the police arrived. Someone armed with enough ammunition could certainly kill that many in the confines of that island.

Still; the ability to carry off that bombing without some help is questionable (not impossible, but McVeigh had help mixing the fertilizer/fuel oil) and adds to the possibility of more than one person involved.

It's all speculation on my part, based on the conflicting reports from the media.
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 03:02 AM
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15. I've read the police couldn't get a helicopter and when they arrived by car they couldn't get a boat

So all this searching took a long time.
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 02:39 PM
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21. Anything new on the drills and explosions two days before ?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 04:53 PM
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29. What does it say?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 04:42 PM
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28. Survivors ".... heard shots from two different directions" .....
Now I read on the web that actually some survivors tell the police that there must have been a second shooter on the island. They heard shots from two different directions. Some say they saw the second shooter. That he was also Norwegian/Nordic, but had dark hair. ( The guy they arrested has blond hair. )


I'd be guided by what the survivors say --




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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 05:11 PM
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10. Greetings from the United States.
My wife said last night, "How could anybody do that?" She wasn't looking for an answer, only expressing the horror that so many of us feel.
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canoeist52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:14 PM
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7. Well, it's very interesting timing, what with the shit hitting
the fan for Murdoch and crew. Big-time distractions always seem to come when accountability is nigh for right-wingers.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 04:58 PM
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30. +1
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 05:11 PM
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9. Nazi resurgence?
The nazis never have gone away. Some moved to the US, yes, many stayed in Europe.
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 03:00 AM
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14. If you read or watch about Gladio, you'll find a lot of Nazis admitting their acts
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 10:14 AM
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16. good conspiracy write-up here
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/07/analyzing-oslo-attacks-part-two-if-it.html#more

Analyzing the Oslo attacks part two: if it was a false flag, who was behind it?
Madison Ruppert, Contributing Writer
Activist Post

One major point must be made first and foremost: these attacks were tragic, deplorable, horrific and deeply saddening. That being said, I believe we would be doing the deceased a disservice in not analyzing these events like any other. The individual(s) responsible must be brought to justice and only through massive independent inquiry can this occur.

In my article published yesterday I pointed out how strangely convenient the timing was of these attacks. However, I failed to point out some of the most major pieces of evidence that show an ulterior motive behind the attacks, more than the simplistic al Qaeda terrorist explanation concocted by the Western mainstream media.

The fact is, the evidence pointing towards a militant Islamic organization in relation to these attacks is thin, at best. Yet, the mainstream media was happy to run with it in their lead paragraphs immediately after the disaster regardless of the completely unsubstantiated nature of the speculation.

Once it emerged that the suspect was actually a lone, Caucasian 32-year-old “right-wing” psychopath named Anders Behring Breivik, they moved along as if no one had ever mentioned otherwise.


Breivik was quickly linked to the Progress Party, an allegedly anti-immigrant party according to Businessweek. In fact, the Progress Party in Norway is anti-immigrant, but only in the case of Muslim immigrants. Calling them an anti-immigration party is a complete misnomer, as the leader of the Progress Party, Siv Jensen, has openly claimed that the Muslim immigrants are trying to covertly overthrow the governments of Europe. Jensen harbors an all-too-common delusional conspiracy theory that involves all of the Muslims of the world participating in a “sneak Islamization” of Europe and the West.

In February of 2010 Jensen retracted her claim that Norway was being covertly Islamized and instead now alleges that it is a debate of full blown Islamization.

Jensen also happens to be a rabidly pro-Israeli supporter, scolding Norway for recognizing Hamas, claiming it was negotiating with terrorists.

Jensen has also openly defended Israel’s “right to defend itself,” and her views are mirrored in the Progress Party’s generally pro-Israel stance.

Jensen has claimed in an interview with Standpoint Magazine in 2010 that Israel “respects human rights” and those “left-wing journalists” who say otherwise are “reporting this from a very subjective point of view.” Sorry, Jensen, but the dead bodies of Palestinian children are not subjective.

Conspicuously absent from the mainstream coverage of these twin attacks is this Israeli connection with the bomber clearly being a pro-Israel supporter.

One must also take note of the fact that Norway has officially backed a Palestinian bid for statehood in the United Nations, something which made Israel quite unhappy.

Norway has also said they will pull out of the bombing campaign in Libya, all of which will undoubtedly irk the banking and industrial defense contracting interests that fund and profit from the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the Libyan bombing campaign, and the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Yemen.

This is just the beginning; the coincidences here, if they are coincidences and nothing more, are uncanny.

In the days before the shooting took place in Utoya, Foreign Minister of Norway Jonas Gahr Store met with Labour Youth League summer camp participants. While there he was met with the demand that Norway must recognize the state of Palestine. Foreign Minister Store responded to this by saying that, “the Palestinians must have their own state, the occupation must end, the wall must be demolished and it must happen now.”

Then, the next day, at least 80 people are slaughtered in a brutal massacre. Was this coincidence? Are the suspect’s pro-Israeli ties and the fact that the target was a group of pro-Palestinians pure happenstance?

The Guardian throws two interesting facts into the mix:

Earlier, had listed interests including bodybuilding, conservative politics and freemasonry.

Norwegian media said he had set up a Twitter account a few days ago and posted a single message on 17 July saying: “One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100,000 who have only interests.”

One must also keep in mind the fact that just last year five Scandinavian governments busted American spies illegally conducting surveillance on their citizens for roughly 10 years.

It would be a great talking point for the CIA units embedded in every foreign embassy to be able to point to the attacks in Oslo and say, “this is what happens when you don’t let us trample all over your laws and spy on your innocent citizens.”

In the wake of being caught red handed spying on yet another sovereign nation without permission, U.S. officials claimed that the Norwegian government had been notified about the covert surveillance operations.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 05:09 PM
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31. Peaceful societies are the enemy of the right wing -- violence must be introduced ....

Conspicuously absent from the mainstream coverage of these twin attacks is this Israeli connection with the bomber clearly being a pro-Israel supporter.

One must also take note of the fact that Norway has officially backed a Palestinian bid for statehood in the United Nations, something which made Israel quite unhappy.

Thanks for the info --

Norway has also said they will pull out of the bombing campaign in Libya, all of which will undoubtedly irk the banking and industrial defense contracting interests that fund and profit from the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the Libyan bombing campaign, and the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Yemen.

In the days before the shooting took place in Utoya, Foreign Minister of Norway Jonas Gahr Store met with Labour Youth League summer camp participants. While there he was met with the demand that Norway must recognize the state of Palestine. Foreign Minister Store responded to this by saying that, “the Palestinians must have their own state, the occupation must end, the wall must be demolished and it must happen now.”

Then, the next day, at least 80 people are slaughtered in a brutal massacre. Was this coincidence? Are the suspect’s pro-Israeli ties and the fact that the target was a group of pro-Palestinians pure happenstance?



One must also keep in mind the fact that just last year five Scandinavian governments busted American spies illegally conducting surveillance on their citizens for roughly 10 years.

It would be a great talking point for the CIA units embedded in every foreign embassy to be able to point to the attacks in Oslo and say, “this is what happens when you don’t let us trample all over your laws and spy on your innocent citizens.”


In the wake of being caught red handed spying on yet another sovereign nation without permission, U.S. officials claimed that the Norwegian government had been notified about the covert surveillance operations.



:hi:
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 10:16 AM
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17. and as always, I wonder how one gunman killed so many
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 11:59 AM
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18. and as always
everything is fishy to some people.
EVERYTHING.
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 01:04 PM
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19. Norway shooting: Anders Behring Breivik plagiarised 'Unabomber

Anders Behring Breivik, the suspect in Norway's twin attacks that killed at least 93 people, appeared to plagiarise large chunks of his manifesto from the writings of Theodore Kaczynski, the “Unabomber”, it has emerged.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8658269/Norway-shooting-Anders-Behring-Breivik-plagiarised-Unabomber.html

Remember the Unabomber? His brother says he took part in CIA mind-control experiments at Harvard:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3892093&mesg_id=3892253
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 01:08 PM
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20. Norway killer Anders Behring Breivik's plan to 'seize power' in Europe after London visit

While the text is signed under the pseudonym "Andrew Berwick", the author explains the origins of his real name - Anders Behring Breivik. Breivik lived in London at one stage with his father who worked in the Norwegian embassy.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8657141/Norway-killer-Anders-Behring-Breiviks-plan-to-seize-power-in-Europe-after-London-visit.html
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KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 02:00 AM
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25. I'm disappointed that noone has blamed the Freemasons yet NT
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 10:20 AM
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26. Depends on who you mean by "no one"

We have some lovely specials this evening. Will you be sitting at your usual table?

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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 04:01 AM
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27. At least two terrorists behind Norwegian youth camp massacre - witnesses
Witnesses of Friday's mass killings in the Norwegian youth camp say there were two terrorists as the shootings were coming from "two different places on the island at the same time," Norwegian VG paper reported on Saturday.

..

Several young people who survived Utoya's massacre, told VG paper that the shootings were coming from "two different places on the island at the same time."

"I believe that there were two people who were shooting," VG quoted a 23-year old Alexander Stavdal.

...

The witnesses described the second man as a 180-centimeter tall, dark-haired man with Nordic appearance with "a pistol in his right hand and a rifle on his back."

http://en.rian.ru/world/20110723/165350450.html

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10080627
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 08:37 AM
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32. It crossed my mind that Norway may have been the next candidate for
an Iceland/Ireland/Greece style of economic gutting. Key pols couldn't be swayed/corrupted into playing along, and the ante was upped.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 06:43 PM
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33. I'm glad you could utilize the tragedy for kicks
Stay classy.
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