AirAmerica's Rachel Maddow doesn't believe in LIHOP nor MIHOP yet she PNAC

and our current policies they are benefiting by... i wonder if she is aware of the warnings they received, the warrants and investigations squashed from the TOP, that the whole horrid event took almost 2 hours, WTC7, on and on...

i notice she doesn't mention known of that stuff... the AAR orthodoxy?

anyone else listening?

the TRIFECTA caller set her off, btw...



June 14, 2002
Remarks by the President in Texans for Rick Perry Reception
Hyatt Regency Hotel
Houston, Texas
6:09 P.M. CDT

You know, when I was one time campaigning in Chicago, a reporter said, would you ever have a deficit? And I said, I can't imagine it, but there would be one if we had a war, or a national emergency, or a recession. (Laughter.) Never did I dream we'd get the trifecta. (Laughter.)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/06/20020614-8.html

listen here...
http://news.globalfreepress.com/mp3/trifecta.mp3

and again and again...
http://news.globalfreepress.com/trifecta

peace

Firing Lizz, ads for Repub pols, this kind of thing. Al doing his Rusty impersonation "60% of people making minimum wage..." 8 or 9 days in a row. Hopefully the CEO isn't reining them in. Can always count on Malloy and Randi though.

i am will'n to settle for ANYTHING and i am certainly GRATEFUL they are there, i'd definitely be in the kookoos nest by now in not for the AAR crew :toast:

peace

as reported in Dr. D.R. Griffin's book
The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions

and as summarized by:

http://www.flcv.com/offcom77.html
http://www.flcv.com/offcom93.html
http://www.flcv.com/offcom11.html
http://www.flcv.com/offco175.html

the guy who sang "Hot Rod Lincoln", Commander Cody called in and was telling Mark about the WTC 7. Mark started making comments about conspiracy theories and saying things like "did you know that Glen Campbell believes in extraterrestrials?" and ridiculing him." Now, I can't listen to that show anymore and I used to really like it.

Sorry I missed that. One of the great 70's bands, IMHO.

Down to Seeds and Stems Again
Performed by: Commander Cody and the Lost Planet Airmen (Bill Kirchen)
Written by: Frayne/Farlow
Charted by: BFrazer@datamanagement.com

INTRO: chords to last verse line, twice (G F C G F C )

V1:
C E F C
I'm sittin alone, Saturday night, watching the Late Late Show.
C E F C
A bottle of wine, some cigarettes, I got no place to go.
A G F C
Well, I saw your other man today; he was wearing my brand new shoes,
G F C
And I'm down to seeds and stems again, too.

V2:
Well, I met my old friend Bob today from up in Bowling Green;
He had the prettiest little gal that I'd ever seen.
But I couldn't hide my tears at all, cause she looked just like you,
And I'm down to seeds and stems again, too.

CHORUS:
F C F C
Now everybody tells me there's other ways to get high.
F C A D G
They don't seem to understand I'm too far gone to try.
C E F C
Now these lonely memories, they're all I can't lose,
G F C
And I'm down to seeds and stems again, too.



V3:

Well my dog died just yesterday and left me all alone.
The finance company dropped by today and repossessed my home.
That's just a drop in the bucket compared to losing you,
And I'm down to seeds and stems again, too.
TAG: G F C
Got the Down to Seeds and Stems again Blues.

but not given his due respect, imho.

But even if I did, I'm not sure I'd make that a requirement in my listening habits.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

it's about being AWARE of the FACTS... all the facts.

:hi:

peace

I think the point she's emphasizing is that 911, no matter how it happened, should not be used as the basis for every horrible thing Bushco is doing, specifically the torture of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan. The fact that this information has been reported in some MSM sources and hasn't resulted in a major outcry is troubling to her.

Tired Old Cynic

it's been troubling since 12-12-00

i am VERY thankful she is bringing up this important damning point but she also leaves out the FACT that we are TORTURING CHILDREN in-front of their MOTHERS and video tapping it fer christ's sake to BLACKMAIL them :argh:

sorry to be such a nit... and i DO love her 'show' :hi:

peace

Now that you put it that way . . . I guess I should have made it clear up front that I have looked at the facts some try to use to prove LIHOP or MIHOP. They aren't convincing.

and as i said it doesn't matter what YOU believe in... it's that the whole story gets told.

:hi:

peace

Well no one's stopping you from telling your story. Good luck.

http://shadowgov.info/video_wtc7.html

http://news.globalfreepress.com/movs/wtc7.swf
http://news.globalfreepress.com/movs/wtc-7_collapse.mpg

see also...
http://news.globalfreepress.com

psst... pass the word ;->

peace

What is LIHOP or MIHOP?
I don't know what that abreviation is for.

I will appreciate someone explaining this. Thanks.

LIHOP = Let It Happen On Purpose
MIHOP = Made It Happen On Purpose
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Welcome to DU.

:hi: Make7

LIHOP or MIHOP. And, I read Graham's book.

but do believe in PNAC.

It's well documented that they knew it was coming.

but we get labeled as KOOKS for even bringing it up :crazy:

gotta hold all their feet to the freedom fire ;->

peace

use commercial airlines against targets in NYC and the Capital. The Bush briefing of August 6, 2001 is only one of many that was very explicit.
http://www.flcv.com/warnings.html

Now, what was that "Pearl Harbor Event"?

administrations massive incompetence. And yes, I am aware of PNAC.

CATASTROPHICALLY, CONTAGIOUS, COINCIDENCE, theory, ic...

see above post :hi:

peace

Believe me, it WAS NOT incompetence. That is simply the mainstream media cover story.

If you go to my blog, there are lots of good sites linked there where you can read more about 9/11.

Or just read one of these books:

Webster Tarpley "9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA"

available here:
http://www.waronfreedom.org/index.html#synth.

or read:

"The Terror Timeline: Year by Year, Day by Day, Minute by Minute."
by Paul Thompson
available here:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/911_terror_timeline_by_paul_thompson.jsp

Because I think that is used to keep Democrats for fighting passionately for what we believe in. BUT...

MIHOP or LIHOP is a looser for us.....until new evidence emmerges, we need to stay away from it, it makes us look like cooks.

There are much easier sells. Say for example, the White House's War against Truth. Attacking the press. Joe Wilson, Gannon, Payola, etc.

sorry... i will never forget it, this is above political parties or correctness.

i can understand not wanting to scream and shout our SUSPICIONS about 911 but we shouldn't IGNORE inconvenient parts of the story.

don't EVER have to say LIHOP/MIHOP yourself if it's unappealing or whatever just say the whole story.

:hi:

peace

Thanks for your words of warning. Don't know what we'd do if we didn't have a steady crop of newcomers warning us OFF certain stories. We'll be marginalized!

No new evidence will "emmerge" if people stop asking questions.

I couldn't disagree with you more. Staying away from it because it makes us look like (kooks?)?

Geez...there were so many crimes connected to it - we should look away? No way!

Start with just one crime - the inside knowledge of those who placed the put options. The second crime associated with it - the quiet announcement by Ashcroft that the case was closed. Start with that.

I am totally opposed to sweeping it under their carpet of suppression and keeping us sublimated with that patriotic crap.

It is very obvious that 9-11 was the way in for a few people to make ton of money through the exploitation of the lowest paid form of young muscled youth who had as many aspirations for their lives as the kids down the street from you and me.

This country pointed the gun at bin Laden and Afghanistan and turned the gun on Hussein and Iraq. Taking down thousands and thousands of innocent people. That's also a crime.

But I really like IHOP and QVR is tops. I really would prefer ETSU to UTK and don't want DMT, PHI or LSD. Enough with the jumble letters. I'm too old to learn another language.

The official website is right here

http://www.newamericancentury.org /

Believe.

a 284 document that totally flushed our Constitution and Bill of Rights, including the human rights of 100,000's of others on this planet aka the Patriot Act, was signed, sealed and passed into law within 35DAYS!!!(Oct. 26, 2001) of September 11, 2001.

Will someone please explain to me how such a thing was possible? Maybe I am just ignorant and need a tinfoil hat!

:wtf: :wtf: :puke: :think: :think: :crazy: :silly: :wow: :grr: :nuke: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

Thanks for post bpilgrim.
:hi:

and NO-ONE wants to talk about the definite PARALLELS between the 'PATRIOT' ACT and the enabling act.

excellent point :toast:

peace

So tired of those I meet saying "There's nothing we can do anyway and no way to prove it".

I remember watching the initial coverage of the Pentagon and wondering where the plane was and why wasn't there more damage, but the shock and awe ( this gov sure loves that shock and awe, don't they?) of the events that day pushed my ???'s back in my mind for awhile. Now I do all I can to get others to ? this.

I believe it is just to horrible for most to even contemplate that LIHOP or MIHOP are possibilities.

Apathy is rampant in the USSA, worse than anytime in history.

or at least a version of it, and it died in committee.

I think it was a case of them realizing the anvil was hot and striking.

I DEFINITELY KNOW that is true...that PNAC took advantage of the collective shock and horror of the american people to push through their agenda. Of that, there is no dispute.
So that makes them opportunistic over the blood of our own..which is plenty evil in its own right.

More in dispute is LIHOP and MIHOP.

Personally, I initially rejected both...as time went on, I become more and more convinced, IMHO, that certainly LIHOP occurred...and as more time went on, and I see all the lies and manipulations and outright war crimes committed in BUSHCO's behalf, I see the plausibility of MIHOP, and refuse to rule it out entirely.

From the standpoint that the 1993 WTC attack was the result of a failed sting operation, one should consider 9/11 was too the result of a failed sting operation. Especially since the masterminds of both attacks are related.

Below is an excerpt from a book by Laurie Mylorie, published by AEI, and endorsed by Richard Perle, James Woolsey, Lewis Libby, and Paul Wolfowitz:

"In fact, the 1993 Trade Center bombing had its origins in an FBI undercover operation initiated by an informant whom the FBI dropped as the plot got underway. Others stepped in and transformed and continued the conspiracy that culminated in that attack. Subsequently, the FBI reconciled with its informant and initiated another undercover operation, this time carrying it through to its end."
http://www.aei.org/books/bookID.242,filter.all/book_detail2.asp

The hundreds of hours of audiotape secretly recorded by the FBI informant and his FBI agents substaniate what the New York Times reported; that the FBI informant served as "agent provocateur" and built the bomb, while later being paid over $1 million dollars.
http://nwo.media.xs2.net/tape/SalemWBAI.mp3

It's true there were two Iraqis involved in the 1993 WTC attack, but neither were arrested. One was detained by the FBI but let go and his older brother (who had an unlisted number in the name of Josie Hadas) was never implicated despite the fact it was his apartment where Ramzi Yousef first went when entering the U.S.

Beyond that, no one truly knows Ramzi Yousef's true identity (he has over 10 aliases listed each time he's referenced in court transcripts) or his uncle KSM, the 9/11 mastermind. Most likely they are state sponsored terrorists via Pakistan's ISI and possibly Iraq.

9/11 was a tragedy that could have been prevented. Anyone who has experienenced government bureaucracy will tell you their is no way the MIHOP is true, but the fact they deny the existance of the warnings to protect their own incompetence puts the LIHOP in the light of truth.

Not to mention that the first time Rumsfeld was asked about the wargames on 9/11 was last month and he didn't even respond. http://www.fromthewilderness.com/mp3/McKinney.rm

you follow it to it's logical conclusion... that it was very powerful people in our own gov. who ordered it.

even the ISI ain't powerful enough to issue a STAND-DOWN order to attack SUCCESSFULLY the most important security symbol in these 'united' states or that some of our most important security buildings in NYC to be mined for CD.

only powerful insiders could pull that one off, imho.

:hi:

peace

(just stumbled on this accidentally and saw this post and thought i should reply)

But so were bin Laden's.

And why wasn't the head of the Pakistani ISI who was known to be responsible for funding Atta,etc. and Saudis who also were known to fund others in the 19 arrested?

And wasn't it sort of strange the person who was paying the bills for Atta was in the U.S. the week of 9/11 but wasn't arrested?
In fact people in the intelligence field met with him.

"totally flushed our Constitution and Bill of Rights". Do you really know what it does?

It was stunning to hear the comment from Rachel in which she stated she believes Bushco didn't know (read: had no clue) 9/11 was coming.... the only conclusion I can come to about that is she deliberately keeps her head in the sand and stays away from sobering material like Sen. Graham's "Intelligence Matters" -- where what Bushco knew and what they didn't know comes out of the realm of mere "belief" and into the realm of stark reality.

Even Murdoch's POST ran the headline "9/11 Bombshell: BUSH KNEW"...

Other than that, I'm enjoying her show.

dig it... she is certainly one smart cookie ;->

:hi:

peace

Explicit warnings: http://www.flcv.com/warnings.html

http://www.rachelmaddow.com/

http://shows.airamericaradio.com/maddow/feedback

As far as I am concerned she is the brightest one on AAR, and that's saying a lot. I know she is also very careful about sources, so if she isn't talking about 911, she probably hasn't looked into it. But I'd expect her to be open minded.

I don't listen to her that often but I happeened to be listening the morning of the July 7 terrorism in London. She stayed in the studio for Morning Sedition, and while the Marks started suggesting the bombings had something to do with London being chosen for the Olympics (!!!) she was much more cautious yet suggested more politically coherent theories.

Subject: Some evidence of complicity of Bush & Cheney
Message:
Cheney & etc.
Documentation of complicity by some officials
Dr. D.R. Griffin, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions & Distortions

summary:
http://www.flcv.com/offcom77.html
http://www.flcv.com/offcom93.html
http://www.flcv.com/offcom11.html
http://www.flcv.com/offco175.html

Bush
• Given the long lead time, extensive protective systems of the Capital, and the fact that officials testified to the 9/11 Commission that Vice President Cheney and other leaders were monitoring an unknown plane approaching the Pentagon, why was the plane allowed to hit the Pentagon?
• Since the Secret Service that travels with the President has extensive communications equipment and has direct connections to the FAA and NMCC, did The Secret Service and President Bush know that a hijacked plane had hit WTC1 prior to leaving for Booker School in Florida on 9/11 for a well publicized visit? And if so, why would the President and Secret Service continue the visit if it appeared the U.S. was under a terrorist attack that might target the President?
• Why did the President not leave Booker School immediately when he found out about the second plane hitting WTC2 given that the Secret Service knew there had been 2 terrorist attacks and the President would be a likely target also, and why didn’t the President immediately get involved in directing defenses of the U.S?

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/01_31_02_911m...