Is Anyone At DU Doing 9/11 Activism?

Since the 9/11 Commission has issued its findings, have any of you asked your representative or senator to pursue further investigation into 9/11 or done any other sort of 9/11 truth activism?

i've launched a federal lawsuit against the FBI... just last week;)
see: www.flight77.info

weeee! it's fun. everyone should do it.

Thank's for the FOIA and the suit bronco. You Rock!

I hope they don't reassign you to a another judge.

It's a good idea when you scan and blank private information to make sure at the court case number is visible so the case can be easily looked up by any who might follow suit.

A communique to 9-11 .orgs and personalities that invites them to file an Amicus Curiae is a good idea in case you have to appeal. That way they are ready. When they file they serve you, you file a supporting brief and their Amicus must go into the record.

Thank you for pursuing this matter, bronco. I wish you success.

Like you, I can't imagine how releasing those tapes would "interfere with a ongoing investigation". It does sound like a standard reason for refusal, as you said, so here's hoping you can get those tapes loose.

"Judge refuses request for FBI records on 1996 Flight 800 crash"

"Graeme J. Sephton, a telecommunications engineer at the University of Massachusetts, sued the federal government under the Freedom of Information Act in 2000, seeking data on metal debris and pellets found in or near the bodies of 89 victims. He said the information could help explain why the plane exploded."
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--flight800skeptics0331mar31,0,7506836.story?coll=ny-region-apnewyork

( "For new readers unfamiliar with theTWA 800 cover-up, the pellets mentioned in Sephton's lawsuit were originally reported to be made of materials not normally found on 747s. It was suggested, in light of the hundreds of witnesses who saw a missile rise up out of an ongoing US Navy live-fire test of an anti-missile system and shoot the 747 down, that the pellets were shrapnel from that missile. If the official story of a fuel-tank explosion were true, there would be no reason for the FBI to refuse a FOIA request for the data on the pellets. Since pellets do not violate the privacy provisions of the FOIA, the judge has ruled incorrectly on this case. There are no legal grounds for the FBI to refuse the data." )

on 9/11 is going to be practically impossible.

Involved in 911 truth activism in areas
where I am most able to help
– graphics, multimedia and website misc.

It has been an honor to meet and work with
these incredible people.

http://digitalstyledesigns.com/

And back at mp3.com, it was pretty effective.

I still bring it up with my mainly college student audience. Sometimes a song is a best way to break the ice...I'm testing mine on live audiences now. I have a framework for digital promotion at Artist Launch, but I'm more involved in live music scenes fueling political activism right now...when that comes into better focus I'm going to be promoting a number of promising college music people who are willing to take on issues like the Iraq Occupation and the 9/11 Cover-up.

I'm in an email group dealing largely with physical evidence issues related to 9/11. I live in the Midwest now, but lived in New York before and I'll be going back to visit soon, check out the music scene, friends and 9/11 activism too. I may even be involved in taking affidavits from witnesses to the multiple explosions in the WTC.

The "9/11 Truth Movement" is not at all something that can succeed on it's own...it has to become part of a larger social movement. The wars that the neo-cons can start because of their 9/11 "New Pearl Harbor" ultimately create an expanding resistance as casualties mount. Music is needed to fuel this social movement through it's ups and downs. Scepticism about 9/11 will ultimately have to find it's place in such a larger movement.

Excellent Dave,

Americas problem is that it has only a TV culture across it. A problem with that culture is alcohol. A small amount of it reduces comprehension, a little more and often only animal instincts control. Alcohol was made a part of American culture (legal) for that reason. Those in control knew how it served their purposes in multiple ways and promoted it. This is not an absolute, it is general.

Culture verifies and shares information of immediate concern in an entertaining way. That is it's natural purpose and corporations have moved it out of public places and into peoples homes with TV where it can be controlled.

Dancing_Dave


All of the non profits for; peace, freedom, justice and environment MUST support the truth of 9-11 OR, they will never, I repeat "never" see their mission statement and purpose fulfilled in any way. When 9-11 activists understand this and unify in campaigns targeting major non profits with the understanding, the 9-11 movement will fly, big.

Corporate control over the promotion of music has altered the creation of music within the peoples by putting profits ahead of the spiritual meaning of the music. Therein we have a basic corruption of one of music's fundamental purpose, to help create an understanding between peoples different belief systems. It is a corruption of the people. By promoting certain types of music, ethnic divisions have been exaggerated as well as cultural and social and now the purposes of one group are separate from others and none focus on the collective NEEDS. Wants and desires are exploited.

Last summer I went out with a 400 watt PA to public paks and talked about the tower demolitions, and activism in general. The stigma and fear people have of talking about the reality of what they saw happen at the WTC is disabling. I really enjoy breaking that taboo.

Since the recent selection of W again, the pulic activism on 9-11 is about nil.

My activism now focuses on creating a formal competion where different possible scenarios explaining the raw photographic evidence and common knowledge events. I think it's time to test the authorities of 9-11 activism to see if they are ready to engage in the process of elimination, (Doyle?) Eliminate the impossible, and what is left is the truth.

By asking them to support the concept and the .orgs to fund it and the publicity for it, a mass opinion based on analysis of raw evidence and events can take place. A final distillation of what we do know, I feel can yield suprising results.

I made this page to facilitate support of the concept to the parties mentioned above.

http://algoxy.com/psych/leadersof9-11.html

I did get a response from Karl Schwarz.

More important than why they fell is why they were attacked, who did that

That is our focus and some have fled the US once they knew we were on their
trail

We have a foreign intel agency helping

Karl

How were you received? Did anyone give you a hard time?

I live in a very red state and I am scared to death to talk about 9/11 with my neighbores, frankly.


Schwarz is an idiot.

Most people who commented directly were very appreciative. Once I went to a public park across from the farmers market here in Santa Barbara CA. There was a cop walking across the street and I thought I would see if I could get a reaction by a particuarly outrageous assertion that happened to totally backed by every raw piece of evidence in existence.

I said,"The tower were built to demolish, the cast concrete core was built with C4 coated rebar."

The cop didn't break stride or look to me but lifted his right hand with the thumb pointed straight up and shook it vigorously.

Law enforcement and fire personel were wantonly killed that day. They are quite on our side, (depending on their political orientation) and the gag orders on them are really messing with their minds and lives.

Later a staff member of the city sponsered farmers market came over to me and said, "Do you know how much money you cost the farmers today?"

I said, "How could I do that".

He answered, "As soon as you started talking people started leaving."

Not at all knowing what to say, and there was nobody with me to witness the exchange I said facetiously as a test, "Well maybe the farmers would pay me 5 dollars apiece to NOT talk". He implied I was serious and blackmailing the farmers.

I had tried repeatedly to get the local peace activists to attend but their fear levels are too high. After doing it about 6-8 times at the local beach on saturday, an off duty coast guard member called the park ranger. The ranger came down and asked me to turn it down, (you could hear me for 2 blocks). I turned it down and continued, then the coast guard member signed the complaint. I was cited for violating the noise ordinance. In court the coast guard didn't show and it was dismissed.

Without the support of a consistent group of at least 10 people it seemed a waste of time. I haven't done it since and now view the peace movement as a deeply confused and manipulated group, as are nearly all Americans.

I completely agree with your assessment of the peace movement!

Like I said, I live in a deep red part of a red state, my precinct went 75% for Bush, but I am curious how much skepticism there is about 9/11. I'm dying to know but have been to busy to do much around the neighborhood and I am afraid of the reception.

Maybe this summer, when it is warmer and more people are out I can try to broach the subject. It is very hard to start on it, but maybe not so hard once you get going.

He's just a guy I disagree with about a few things. I wish him the best of luck pursuing whatever angles he's got...like any sincere 9/11 truth-seeker.

Actually, he might give you a few ideas about how to talk to people in a "red state". Though, you're more likely to have some luck with rebels at a college music club than neighbors chosen at random.

I'm lucky that I'm a musician, I can bring it up in a song, and then let people who heard me pursue the matter further in a conversation if they want to. And generally, people in music scenes tend to be some of the most open-minded people around. At a recent show I heard a young black woman say "That's not right--that's a conspiracy!". Actually, I don't what she said that about, it came out of some private conversation I just caught a piece of. But what a cool thought to hear! :yourock:

of 9/11 activism?

I feel that 9-11 activists in each major city with a public access studio pooled their efforts and made a call in talk show where local activists fielded questions from the people, some interesting progress may be made.

Aside from that, internet BB's is about as good as it gets. I do feel that 9-11 activists should be putting pressure on the other areas of non profit activism that need a lawful government to succeed hope to for that to ever exists if justice in 9-11 is not found?

I mean how can a mission statement that will never be fulfilled under the present government, because of neglect to following its own laws, even be valid? With the election system as it is, we cannot correct the government. The people donating to that organization are being ripped off. All the non profits for; peace, freedom, justice, liberty and environment depend on a rightfull and lawful governmet for success.

9-11 activists should be creating an onus for those big powerful non profits to use their power to gain a just government whereupon their mission statement and purpose might be served.

Then, there is always the chance Americans understand that it is their turn to use options of democracy.

THE NATIONAL BALLOT INITIATIVE. 50,000,000 for it, and its a done deal. we run the country.

www.ni4d.us

but I don't quite understand the NBI thing-- is it to create a new government?

Basically if we're informed enough, we would be making many of the decisions on Federal issues instead of Congress. There would be the list of issues the voters would confront.

Heres what Californias ballot initiatives look like this year,

http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/elections_j.htm

But within what EX. Senator Gravel proposes, we would be voting on initiatives ever 2 months. This is a very good idea and will get people informed and involved.

To empower security and information, I believe the first ballot initiatives should be about, voting machines and media.

it-- is it a separate government? What power would it have? Does this legislature supercede or co-exist with congress?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20041102-020033-6371r.htm

Here is a snip from the article.

Consider just three of the advantages:

1. Timing. Under our present system, elections are a rare thing. A last-minute announcement can change the whole direction of American government; an event shortly after the election can't produce a policy change from the voters. Issues that aren't even
being debated this fall will arise over the coming four years.

Under direct democracy, as new issues arise, voters can force them on the agenda within a few months by placing an initiative on the ballot. As well, Congress can consult with the electorate about important decisions. Yes, under the present system, Americans can write a letter to Sen. John McCain, or make a call to Bill O'Reilly. But no one has to consult the voters themselves.

(from 911Visibility.org)

Help Us Get 9/11 Truth on Local Public Access TV!

Overcome Corporate Media’s Censorship!
Become a Local 9/11 Truth Sponsor in Your City or Town!

At the 9/11 Citizens’ Inquiries held this year in San Francisco, Toronto, and New York, many courageous citizens, researchers and experts testified and raised questions that were never addressed by the official 9/11 commission. Broadcast quality footage from these Inquiries are now available. We need your help to get them on TV! Public Access Stations will show these programs if you, as a local Sponsor, bring the videos to the station.

(more info.)
http://septembereleventh.org/alerts/publicaccess.php

What follows is a bonafied rant.


I visited that link and found nothing of the quality and nature of the video.

I spent quite a bit of time on forums of their web site. I noticed that the administration was unable to focus on the various weighting of evidence and instead offered a panoply of evidence with NO focal ability.

I noticed that questions of the possibility of cell phone calls, for example, was as an important a factor as an intentional, obvious lie making NULL and VOID all investigation. The ability to see the difference didn't exist in that forum. I am glad to say it does in this forum as well as astute moderation.

It is quite possible that my suggestions of using public access video while posting in their forum is responsible for the page at their site you link to. I posted there complaining about the nearly frivolous info on their index page, a "counter reflection" of typical media sensation. No rapport could be established with them even with repeated tries.

Coddling Americans by addressing "tame" information is not going to help. An "escalation" of information won't help.

A demolition is what happened and Americans need to know it by having HOW it was done described. Doing that explains what we saw making the notion of actually knowing what happened, something besides "foriegn". That description must fit ALL events of 9-11, or accommodate them in consistent fashion.

When I say public access I mean live call in TV where Americans can show each other that they can deal with the information and that they do not need authorities. Updated, re thought, reorganized, re prioritized compilations of information, current, clean logic re presented and refined each time.

This struggle, or success in it, that we are in is not about how much available information there is, it is about distinguishing which information has the most value in the struggle and using it.

I now believe that OVER INFORMATION is a major factor of successful, misinformation and disinformation. Any .org that is supposed to be for 9-11 truth should be consolidating and re consolidating the most important and verifiable information available to them on a regular basis themselves or at least facilitating the coordination of that information amongst members of their forums without regard for the shocking quality of truths brought forth.

Anything less is incompetent and non productive.

I at least expect a log of the videos available from a web site that hopes to empower citizens with videos to sponsor in public access TV.

We should be making our own because most give facts but does not advance specific possible ways beyond general terms like "demolition" to show haw what happened could actualy be executed. After a few years we should be getting pretty good at eliminating the impossible, and we are, we just don't work together well.

The notion of working together for these quality purposes of purifying systems of government and self determination does not receive the attention it needs to become an: "American Pastime", which is probably the only thing that stands a chance of preserving the principles of the republic, the democracy or any rights and freedoms we have that we may cherish.

Maybe you missed reading the descriptive paragraph but the video that 911Visibility.org is helping to get on public television is essentially edited footage from the 911 Inquiries.

As stated on the page: "At the 9/11 Citizens’ Inquiries held this year in San Francisco, Toronto, and New York, many courageous citizens, researchers and experts testified and raised questions that were never addressed by the official 9/11 commission. Broadcast quality footage from these Inquiries are now available. We need your help to get them on TV! Public Access Stations will show these programs if you, as a local Sponsor, bring the videos to the station."

These videos include edited material from 911busters.com
at the recent NYC Inquiry and the previous San Francisco Inquiry:
http://911busters.com/911-Commission.html
http://911busters.com/

As the 911Visibility media person who originally worked with the 911 TV public access contact, I will assure you that no one else's ideas remotely entered into the discussion.


http://septembereleventh.org/index.php

I saw that, I don't consider it a log I consider it a brief description but thanks for bringing it up.

They are taking raw tape of public meetings that tend to be over controlled chaos and feeding it to the public.

It is burnout material. Over information with very little information, the best (worst) kind.

Some people watch that for an hour and they never want to think about 9-11 again.

The tapes of the public meetings should be edited into different distinct areas of public expression dealing with uniform subject matter, allow over laps but separate it.

Or,.. in order to be effective they need to compile raw video clips of 9-11 events and make them available to public access members that can cmobine them in ways to present distilled, current versions that selectively exmine parts of 9--1 that have better or more relevant information.

I, for example, would immediately produce a 30 minute video for public access TV in order to present the scenario I use to make sense of 9-11. I have no access to raw 9-11 video of high quality in uniform formats for this purpose.

After that I have to struggle to get it played in other cable regions. With luck I might get it aired in 5 other regions after hours on the phone, dubbing copies, putting together mailings, etc. Then I have no idea of how much air time it will get.

I almost consider organized 9-11 activism as "anti activism" because it is completely unorganized as to the information of 9-11 and is presented as a confusing, mixed bunch of information and the only clear thing is that it is completely unclear, as to what to do. Counter productive.

Have you watched the edited material or simply making a presumption? I have watched the dvd material and I disagree with your characterization. Much of the content is very informative.

My favorite clip is of Dr. Faiz Khan's remarks in the Commissioner's Opening Statements. His 6 minute talk can be watched here, about 3/4 way through this segment. Just before Dr. Khan, the 911 victim's father's talk (name escapes me at moment) is extremely touching.
http://911busters.com/video/MOV/CC2_Commissioners_Opening_Words.html

I look forward to seeing your own video production.

Motivational speakers are good, if you need that, I don't.

Many have been yanked around emotionally for years by this for many reasons and they simply seek some focus on what happenned that makes some sense out of it, or at least brings a distinct instance of TOTAL malfeasance that justifys a renewed outcry or focus on a specific part of government that can be made accountable.

They are ready to move and only need a direction.

Absolutely-- 9/11 truth organizations really need to work on ORGANIZING and PRIORITIZING key problems with the official story and updating these points with new findings as often as possible.

Follow.

Well, perhaps the non profits will. We already know government won't.

If the seekers of 9-11 truth can organize enough to prioritize the most potent of facts, ones that demand a NEW investigation, facts that show the most serious of accusations as an absolute possibility, MIHOP; the organizations should take notice.

When it is a solid MIHOP and we agree, the .orgs will start to consider following. Until then, they will play it safe.

We need to focus so that our numbers can be increased. We need to draw form the peace movement, freedom, justice, liberty; all those organizations have na intrerst in this and all we need to do is become a WE, by agreeing.