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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 03:17 PM
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911 and probability
The idea of this thread is to collect all events surrounding 911 that are supposed to have happened but are - well, let's say not very probable to happen.
To start with:
That Jarrah's passport was found at the UA 93 crash site.
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 03:40 PM
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1. Since you mention Jarrah
I´ll just quickly add : Jarrah sending a letter to his girlfriend in Germany, but to the wrong adress. The letter ending up in the hands of the FBI.
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 07:40 PM
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2. $100,000 wired to Atta from a man in an Indian Prison
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 10:32 PM
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3. Oh god, there are so many!
1) Satam Suqami's passport found in the street below the WTC
2) no pilots of any 9/11 planes alerting ATC of hijackings
3) all the cell phones calls from the passengers going through
4) Marfk Bingham on flight 93 saying to his mom-- "Mom, this is Mark Bingham"
5) Atta and Al Omari making the Portland-Boston flight when they ran so late
6) Atta renting a car in Boston on the morning of 9/11 for no reason-- the car that carried a flight manual in Arabic
7) Atta packing his bag with incriminating evidence like a suicide note, a Koran and airline uniforms
8) flight 11 and flight 77 not listed as taking off in the BTS database
9) Amy Sweeney not mentioning gas being used by the hijackers on flight 11
10) the lack of air defenses over Washington DC
11) a 757 disintegrating hitting the Pentagon but punching holes through multiple walls
12) flight 93 disappearing into a hole in the ground
13) NO BLACK BOXES recovered from flights 11 and 175, no usable data from flight 77.
14) airplane fuel burning and weakening thick steel beams, causing the WTC towers to completely collapse.


Just a few off the top of my head, I'm sure there are many more!!!
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 02:49 PM
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4. Yes, there are so many
Should be fun to put up a list of all the stuff that we're supposed to believe.
Next one:
Atta's strange meeting with Bryant in the Departemnt for Agriculture. Atta is supposed to have asked for a loan to buy a cropduster and showed extremely suspicious behaviour (talking about Bin Laden, security of the WTC, wanted to buy the picture of the Pentagon taken from the air etc etc):

http://web.archive.org/web/20020725114958/http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/DailyNews/ross_bryant020606.html

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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 01:21 PM
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5. Yes, this is a good thread topic.
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:17 PM
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17. ?????
Atta renting a car in Boston on the morning of 9/11 for no reason --

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Are you sure on this? I thought he rented one (or two?) on the 10th. When would he have the time on the 11th -- and in the airport in Boston?



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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 01:29 PM
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6. More coincidences
Edited on Thu Apr-07-05 02:13 PM by spooked911
1) the Naudet brothers being perfectly positioned to capture the WTC attack on video-- including both planes hitting
2) NORAD running a hijacking drill on the morning of 9/11
3) the National Military Command Center ops director asked a rookie substitute to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11
4) that the flight schools in Florida where some of the hijackers trained have connections to the CIA
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 01:46 PM
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7. Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11
1) That governments have permitted terrorist acts against their own people, and have even themselves been perpetrators in order to find strategic advantage is quite likely true, but this is the United States we're talking about.
2) That intelligence agencies, financiers, terrorists and narco-criminals have a long history together is well established, but the Nugan Hand Bank, BCCI, Banco Ambrosiano, the P2 Lodge, the CIA/Mafia anti-Castro/Kennedy alliance, Iran/Contra and the rest were a long time ago, so there’s no need to rehash all that. That was then, this is now!
3) That Jonathan Bush’s Riggs Bank has been found guilty of laundering terrorist funds and fined a US-record $25 million must embarrass his nephew George, but it's still no justification for leaping to paranoid conclusions.
4) That George Bush's brother Marvin sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned company which provided electronic security to the World Trade Centre, Dulles Airport and United Airlines means nothing more than you must admit those Bush boys have done alright for themselves.
5) That George Bush found success as a businessman only after the investment of Osama’s brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mahfouz is just one of those things - one of those crazy things.
6) That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy in no way implies he still is.
7) That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict, fighting on the same side as the US as recently as 1999, while the US protected its cells, is merely one of history's little aberrations.
8) The claims of Michael Springman, State Department veteran of the Jeddah visa bureau, that the CIA ran the office and issued visas to al Qaeda members so they could receive training in the United States, sound like the sour grapes of someone who was fired for making such wild accusations.
9) That one of George Bush's first acts as President, in January 2001, was to end the two-year deployment of attack submarines which were positioned within striking distance of al Qaeda's Afghanistan camps, even as the group's guilt for the Cole bombing was established, proves that a transition from one administration to the next is never an easy task.
10) That so many influential figures in and close to the Bush White House had expressed, just a year before the attacks, the need for a "new Pearl Harbor" before their militarist ambitions could be fulfilled, demonstrates nothing more than the accidental virtue of being in the right place at the right time.
11) That the company PTECH, founded by a Saudi financier placed on America’s Terrorist Watch List in October 2001, had access to the FAA’s entire computer system for two years before the 9/11 attack, means he must not have been such a threat after all.
12) That whistleblower Indira Singh was told to keep her mouth shut and forget what she learned when she took her concerns about PTECH to her employers and federal authorities, suggests she lacked the big picture. And that the Chief Auditor for JP Morgan Chase told Singh repeatedly, as she answered questions about who supplied her with what information, that "that person should be killed," suggests he should take an anger management seminar.
13) That on May 8, 2001, Dick Cheney took upon himself the job of co-ordinating a response to domestic terror attacks even as he was crafting the administration’s energy policy which bore implications for America's military, circumventing the established infrastructure and ignoring the recommendations of the Hart-Rudman report, merely shows the VP to be someone who finds it hard to delegate.
14) That the standing order which covered the shooting down of hijacked aircraft was altered on June 1, 2001, taking discretion away from field commanders and placing it solely in the hands of the Secretary of Defense, is simply poor planning and unfortunate timing. Fortunately the error has been corrected, as the order was rescinded shortly after 9/11.
15) That in the weeks before 9/11, FBI agent Colleen Rowley found her investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui so perversely thwarted that her colleagues joked that bin Laden had a mole at the FBI, proves the stress-relieving virtue of humour in the workplace.
16) That Dave Frasca of the FBI’s Radical Fundamentalist Unit received a promotion after quashing multiple, urgent requests for investigations into al Qaeda assets training at flight schools in the summer of 2001 does appear on the surface odd, but undoubtedly there's a good reason for it, quite possibly classified.
17) That FBI informant Randy Glass, working an undercover sting, was told by Pakistani intelligence operatives that the World Trade Center towers were coming down, and that his repeated warnings which continued until weeks before the attacks, including the mention of planes used as weapons, were ignored by federal authorities, is simply one of the many "What Ifs" of that tragic day.
18) That over the summer of 2001 Washington received many urgent, senior-level warnings from foreign intelligence agencies and governments - including those of Germany, France, Great Britain, Russia, Egypt, Israel, Morocco, Afghanistan and others - of impending terror attacks using hijacked aircraft and did nothing, demonstrates the pressing need for a new Intelligence Czar.
19) That John Ashcroft stopped flying commercial aircraft in July 2001 on account of security considerations had nothing to do with warnings regarding September 11, because he said so to the 9/11 Commission.
20) That former lead counsel for the House David Schippers says he’d taken to John Ashcroft’s office specific warnings he’d learned from FBI agents in New York of an impending attack – even naming the proposed dates, names of the hijackers and the targets – and that the investigations had been stymied and the agents threatened, proves nothing but David Schipper’s pathetic need for attention.
21) That Garth Nicolson received two warnings from contacts in the intelligence community and one from a North African head of state, which included specific site, date and source of the attacks, and passed the information to the Defense Department and the National Security Council to evidently no effect, clearly amounts to nothing, since virtually nobody has ever heard of him.
22) That in the months prior to September 11, self-described US intelligence operative Delmart Vreeland sought, from a Toronto jail cell, to get US and Canadian authorities to heed his warning of his accidental discovery of impending catastrophic attacks is worthless, since Vreeland was a dubious character, notwithstanding the fact that many of his claims have since been proven true.
23) That FBI Special Investigator Robert Wright claims that agents assigned to intelligence operations actually protect terrorists from investigation and prosecution, that the FBI shut down his probe into terrorist training camps, and that he was removed from a money-laundering case that had a direct link to terrorism, sounds like yet more sour grapes from a disgruntled employee.
24) That George Bush had plans to invade Afghanistan on his desk before 9/11 demonstrates only the value of being prepared.
25) The suggestion that securing a pipeline across Afghanistan figured into the White House’s calculations is as ludicrous as the assertion that oil played a part in determining war in Iraq.
26) That Afghanistan is once again the world’s principal heroin producer is an unfortunate reality, but to claim the CIA is still actively involved in the narcotics trade is to presume bad faith on the part of the agency.
27) Mahmood Ahmed, chief of Pakistan’s ISI, must not have authorized an al Qaeda payment of $100,000 to Mohammed Atta days before the attacks, and was not meeting with senior Washington officials over the week of 9/11, because I didn’t read anything about him in the official report.
28) That Porter Goss met with Ahmed the morning of September 11 in his capacity as Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence has no bearing whatsoever upon his recent selection by the White House to head the Central Intelligence Agency.
29) That Goss's congressional seat encompasses the 9/11 hijackers' Florida base of operation, including their flight schools, is precisely the kind of meaningless factoid a conspiracy theorist would bring up.
30) It's true that George HW Bush and Dick Cheney spent the evening of September 10 alone in the Oval Office, but what's wrong with old colleagues catching up? And it's true that George HW Bush and Shafig bin Laden, Osama's brother, spent the morning of September 11 together at a board meeting of the Carlyle Group, but the bin Ladens are a big family.
31) That FEMA arrived in New York on Sept 10 to prepare for a scheduled biowarfare drill, and had a triage centre ready to go that was larger and better equipped than the one that was lost in the collapse of WTC 7, was a lucky twist of fate.
32) Newsweek’s report that senior Pentagon officials cancelled flights on Sept 10 for the following day on account of security concerns is only newsworthy because of what happened the following morning.
33) That George Bush's telephone logs for September 11 do not exist should surprise no one, given the confusion of the day.
34) That Mohamed Atta attended the International Officer's School at Maxwell Air Force Base, that Abdulaziz Alomari attended Brooks Air Force Base Aerospace Medical School, that Saeed Alghamdi attended the Defense Language Institute in Monterey merely shows it is a small world, after all.
35) That Lt Col Steve Butler, Vice Chancellor for student affairs of the Defense Language Institute during Alghamdi's terms, was disciplined, removed from his post and threatened with court martial when he wrote "Bush knew of the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism. What is...contemptible is the President of the United States not telling the American people what he knows for political gain," is the least that should have happened for such disrespect shown his Commander in Chief.
36) That Mohammed Atta dressed like a Mafioso, had a stripper girlfriend, smuggled drugs, was already a licensed pilot when he entered the US, enjoyed pork chops, drank to excess and did cocaine, was closer to Europeans than Arabs in Florida, and included the names of defence contractors on his email list, proves how dangerous the radical fundamentalist Muslim can be.
37) That 43 lbs of heroin was found on board the Lear Jet owned by Wally Hilliard, the owner of Atta’s flight school, just three weeks after Atta enrolled – the biggest seizure ever in Central Florida – was just bad luck. That Hilliard was not charged shows how specious the claims for conspiracy truly are.
38) That Hilliard’s plane had made 30-round trips to Venezuela with the same passengers who always paid cash, that the plane had been supplied by a pair of drug smugglers who had also outfitted CIA drug runner Barry Seal, and that 9/11 commissioner Richard ben-Veniste had been Seal’s attorney before Seal’s murder, shows nothing but the lengths to which conspiracists will go to draw sinister conclusions.
39) Reports of insider trading on 9/11 are false, because the SEC investigated and found only respectable investors who will remain nameless involved, and no terrorists, so the windfall profit-taking was merely, as ever, coincidental.
40) That heightened security for the World Trade Centre was lifted immediately prior to the attacks illustrates that it always happens when you least expect it.
41) That Hani Hanjour, the pilot of Flight 77, was so incompetent he could not fly a Cessna in August, but in September managed to fly a 767 at excessive speed into a spiraling, 270-degree descent and a level impact of the first floor of the Pentagon, on the only side that was virtually empty and had been hardened to withstand a terrorist attack, merely demonstrates that people can do almost anything once they set their minds to it.
42) That none of the flight data recorders were said to be recoverable even though they were located in the tail sections, and that until 9/11, no solid-state recorder in a catastrophic crash had been unrecoverable, shows how there's a first time for everything.
43) That Mohammed Atta left a uniform, a will, a Koran, his driver's license and a "how to fly planes" video in his rental car at the airport means he had other things on his mind.
44) The mention of Israelis with links to military-intelligence having been arrested on Sept 11 videotaping and celebrating the attacks, of an Israeli espionage ring surveiling DEA and defense installations and trailing the hijackers, and of a warning of impending attacks delivered to the Israeli company Odigo two hours before the first plane hit, does not deserve a response. That the stories also appeared in publications such as Ha'aretz and Forward is a sad display of self-hatred among certain elements of the Israeli media.
45) That multiple military wargames and simulations were underway the morning of 9/11 – one simulating the crash of a plane into a building; another, a live-fly simulation of multiple hijackings – and took many interceptors away from the eastern seaboard and confused field commanders as to which was a real hijacked aircraft and which was a hoax, was a bizarre coincidence, but no less a coincidence.
46) That the National Military Command Center ops director asked a rookie substitute to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11 is nothing more than bad timing.
47) That a recording made Sept 11 of air traffic controllers’ describing what they had witnessed, was destroyed by an FAA official who crushed it in his hand, cut the tape into little pieces and dropped them in different trash cans around the building, is something no doubt that overzealous official wishes he could undo.
48) That the FBI knew precisely which Florida flight schools to descend upon hours after the attacks should make every American feel safer knowing their federal agents are on the ball.
49) That a former flight school executive believes the hijackers were "double agents," and says about Atta and associates, "Early on I gleaned that these guys had government protection. They were let into this country for a specific purpose," and was visited by the FBI just four hours after the attacks to intimidate him into silence, proves he's an unreliable witness, for the simple reason there is no conspiracy.
50) That Jeb Bush was on board an aircraft that removed flight school records to Washington in the middle of the night on Sept 12th demonstrates how seriously the governor takes the issue of national security.
51) To insinuate evil motive from the mercy flights of bin Laden family members and Saudi royals after 9/11 shows the sickness of the conspiratorial mindset.
52) Le Figaro’s report in October 2001, known to have originated with French intelligence, that the CIA met Osama bin Laden in a Dubai hospital in July 2001, proves again the perfidy of the French.
53) That the tape in which bin Laden claims responsibility for the attacks was released by the State Department after having been found providentially by US forces in Afghanistan, and depicts a fattened Osama with a broader face and a flatter nose, proves Osama, and Osama alone, masterminded 9/11.
54) That at the battle of Tora Bora, where bin Laden was surrounded on three sides, Special Forces received no order to advance and capture him and were forced to stand and watch as two Russian-made helicopters flew into the area where bin Laden was believed hiding, loaded up passengers and returned to Pakistan, demonstrates how confusing the modern battlefield can be.
55) That upon returning to Fort Bragg from Tora Bora, the same Special Operations troops who had been stood down from capturing bin Laden, suffered a unusual spree of murder/suicides, is nothing more than a series of senseless tragedies.
56) Reports that bin Laden is currently receiving periodic dialysis treatment in a Pakistani medical hospital are simply too incredible to be true.
That the White House went on Cipro September 11 shows the foresightedness of America’s emergency response.
57) That the anthrax was mailed to perceived liberal media and the Democratic leadership demonstrates only the perversity of the terrorist psyche.
58) That the anthrax attacks appeared to silence opponents of the Patriot Act shows only that appearances can be deceiving.
59) That the Ames-strain anthrax was found to have originated at Fort Detrick, and was beyond the capability of all but a few labs to refine, underscores the importance of allowing the investigation to continue without the distraction of absurd conspiracy theories.
60) That Republican guru Grover Norquist has been found to have aided financiers and supporters of Islamic terror to gain access to the Bush White House, and is a founder of the Islamic Institute, which the Treasury Department believes to be a source of funding for al Qaeda, suggests Norquist is at worst, naive, and at best, needs a wider circle of friends.
61) That the Department of Justice consistently chooses to see accused 9/11 plotters go free rather than permit the courtroom testimony of al Qaeda leaders in American custody looks bad, but only because we don't have all the facts.
62) That the White House balked at any inquiry into the events of 9/11, then starved it of funds and stonewalled it, was unfortunate, but since the commission didn't find for conspiracy it's all a non issue anyway.
63) That the 9/11 commission's executive director and "gatekeeper," Philip Zelikow, was so closely involved in the events under investigation that he testified before the the commission as part of the inquiry, shows only an apparent conflict of interest.
64) That commission chair Thomas Kean is, like George Bush, a Texas oil executive who had business dealings with reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mafouz, suggests Texas is smaller than they say it is.
65) That co-chair Lee Hamilton has a history as a Bush family "fixer," including clearing Bush Sr of the claims arising from the 1980 "October Surprise", is of no concern, since only conspiracists believe there was such a thing as an October Surprise.
66) That FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds accuses the agency of intentionally fudging specific pre-9/11 warnings and harboring a foreign espionage ring in its translation department, and claims she witnessed evidence of the semi-official infrastructure of money-laundering and narcotics trade behind the attacks, is of no account, since John Ashcroft has gagged her with the rare invocation of "State Secrets Privilege," and retroactively classified her public testimony. For the sake of national security, let us speak no more of her.
67) That, when commenting on Edmond's case, Daniel Ellsberg remarked that Ashcroft could go to prison for his part in a cover-up, suggests Ellsberg is giving comfort to the terrorists, and could, if he doesn't wise up, find himself declared an enemy combatant.

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/coincidence-theorists-guide-to-911.html
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 03:23 AM
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8. Great post!
This is a great work by Ministrelboy!
Thanks a lot for finding and posting it spooked 911 :)
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tofubo Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 02:23 PM
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12. im glad you straightened that out
i had thought that the administration was complicit in the attacks and cover-up and misinformation surrounding the fund-raising event commonly known as sept 11
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 03:55 AM
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9. Continuing
How probable is that:

Bush wasn't informed of the first attack before arriving at Emma Booker school while billon people around the world were already in front of their TV?

Bush didn't leave the schoolkids immediately because he didn't want to scare theM?

Atta put his testament (eg how to treat his corpse, his funeral etc) in his bag that normally would have been aboard AA 11 and destroyed during the attack?

The alleged hijacker never flying directly to their targets but prefer some sideseeing trips?

The allaged hijackers never went for quick attacks eg hijacking a plane in New York in oder to attack the WTC?

Jarrah and Atta both wanted to talk to passengers but mistakenly pushed the button so that the controller could listen in?

The plane hit the only renovated side of the Pentagon?

Trusting the difficult attack on a low building to somebody who wasn't even able to handel a Cessna?

The Insider Trading that officially indicated no pre-knowledge?

That UA 93 family members and officials listened to the CVR of UA 93 (and reading the translation of Arab sentences on a big screen) and Newsweek obtaining a transcript and none of them realized the hijackers talked twice about crashing the plane themselves and finally deciding to do so (as the Commission states)?

A minimum of six passengers having a foot cart didn't manage to open the cockpit door of UA 93 that was designed not to withstand more than 150 pounds of pressure?

That not a single passenger saw all four alleged hijackers on UA 93?

That not a single flight attendant on any flight saw the exact number of alleged hijackers?

That the official crash time of UA 93 can be true in the light of the fact that Jeremy Glick was still on the phone on 10:00 although he's supposed to have particapted in the attack since 9:58?


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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 02:08 PM
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10. Good ones!
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 02:22 PM
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11. Transponders were turned off in areas where there was no primary radar
coverage.

Also, flight paths of 93 and flight 175 cross.

http://www.the-movement.com/Radar/Radar.htm

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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 11:56 AM
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13. Two more
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 11:56 AM by spooked911
1) The hijackers on flight 93 took time to put on red headbands during the hijacking. (Longman's "Among the Heroes")
2) Two hijackers, Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar, live in an apartment with an FBI informant, but the FBI informant claims he knew nothing of the plans for 9/11.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a0900shaikh
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 07:49 PM
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23. Excellent point
about the FBI informant. Sibel Edmonds recently said that the FBI had, by April 2001, very precise information from a 10-year FBI informant about the attack, an informant who happened to be an Iranian. Hmmm, any chance that was Mr Abdusattar Sheikh, who housed the two hijackers in San Diego?

And in light of what Dan Hopsicker has uncovered about Mr Sheikh, that is very interesting indeed.
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 10:00 PM
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14. Raytheon...
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 10:21 PM by Dirk39
Hello from Germany!

Employees of the U.S. company Raytheon (Kenneth Waldie, Stanley Hall, Herbert Homer and Peter Gay), who had developped a system that could remote-controll planes (Global Hawk), lost their lives in the "hijacked" planes on 9/11. (Or might have been killed by those, who did commit 9/11, after the alibi-planes did land).

American Airlines Flight 11: Crew and Passengers:
http://www.medienanalyse-international.de/paxeaa11.html


Dirk
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:49 PM
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18. The angels all come out to help.
Thank you Dirk

Mindestens 5 (fünf) der Flugpassagiere waren Mitarbeiter von Raytheon, also der Firma, die das automatische Flug-/ Landesystem "Global Hawk" entwickelte:
Kenneth Waldie (AA11) Raytheon Co. senior quality control engineer for electronic systems in Tewksbury Massachusetts. Bei Raytheon 17 Jahre.
Herbert Homer (UA 175) DCE CACO under DCMC Commander - Col. Bryon Young of the RSC Corporate Management bei Raytheon.
Stanley Hall
Peter Gay (AA11) Raytheon Co. vice president of operations for electronic systems based in Andover, Massachusetts. Bei Raytheon 28 Jahre.
David Kovalcin

außerdem starb
Charles S. Falkenberg (AA 77) director of research at ECOlogic Corp. - Diese Software-Firma entwickelt tools zur Nutzung der Landsat-Fotos für Global Hawk
http://www.medienanalyse-international.de/paxeaa11.html


And to make it even more curious they were spread on 3 different flights as well (AA 11 / UA 175 / AA 77)

I must confess, the Global Hawk theory makes more and more sense for me, especially if you think of Flight 93:
You might ask, what happened to the fourth plane, Flight 93? According to one theory, Global Hawk technology malfunctioned on Flight 93. Somehow the pilots onboard were able to regain control of their aircraft. If Flight 93 lands safely on the ground, the secret of what was really happening on all four planes would be revealed. A back-up plan had to be implemented.

Flight 93 was then supposedly shot down by a US military jets. There are verifiable facts to substantiate this possibility. There were a number of eye witnesses who claimed to have seen flight 93 explode before it fell to the ground. These eye witnesses also saw a military jet in the sky near the crash site. Plus, there were reports of a small white private plane circling the crash site immediately after the crash - even though all private aircraft were supposed to be grounded at the time. Aircraft debris from Flight 93 was strewn over an area six to eight miles from the crash site, which would be impossible if, as the government said, some of the passengers assaulted the hijackers onboard.
http://groups.msn.com/TruthsPlatform/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=350&LastModified=4675360982787999979&pgmarket=en-us
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 04:23 PM
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19. Since this thread is about questions. The Global Hawk Questions
1. Was Global Hawk technology able to remotelycontrol unmanned planes in 1999 for 27 hours?
2. Did Northrop-Grumman use Global Hawk technology in the war in Afghanistan since October 2001?
3. What is the purpose of unmanned technology?
4. Is Northrup in contact with any engineers of Boeing?
5. Did Northrup install Global Hawk technology in a commercial airplane?
( http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_questions.htm - lots more question on this page BTW )
6. Why did the people above appear on the passenger lists?
7. Why did George Bush say that we should develop remote flying far in the future on Sept 28, 2001*


*... In addition, the president said he would give grants to airlines to allow them to develop stronger cockpit doors and transponders that cannot be switched off from the cockpit. Government grants would also be available to pay for video monitors that would be placed in the cockpit to alert pilots to trouble in the cabin; and new technology, probably far in the future, allowing air traffic controllers to land distressed planes by remote control.

"Bush to Increase Federal Role in Security at Airports," The New York Times, Sept. 28, 2001; emphasis added.
http://www.public-action.com/911/robotplane.html
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ROH Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:58 PM
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22. Which flights were the Raytheon employees
(Kenneth Waldie, Stanley Hall, Herbert Homer and Peter Gay) on?
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 01:54 PM
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15. Bush
How probable is it that Bush repeated on three different occasions that he saw the plane hit the WTC before entering the classroom. How probable is it that you get things three times wrong?

How probable is it that the mysterious threat against Air Force One really happened?
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Borg Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 04:26 PM
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20. Bush TV at primary school
During the attacks Mr. Bush was sitting in a classroom near the innocent children. This event was created by tv producers. But: Who needs a political alibi like that ?
(i count 8 school visits before and only 2 after 9-11)
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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 02:54 PM
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16. Bush at the school
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 03:19 PM by demodewd
How probable is it that Bush,his aides, and the Secret Service would remain at Booker Elementary after Bush had been informed of the second hijacking and NORAD and the FAA were aware of possible hijackings or unaccounted for blips of at least 11 other planes?
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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 06:23 PM
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21. where's the smoke?
Here's a new one.

What is the probability that the progression of explosion from the base section of the South Tower would initially remain constantly all white when according to the pancake theory the top section is crashing down upon it and into it? The top section encompassing all those billows of off black smoke...and yet the lower section begins its rows of "gravitationally triggered" explosions with nary a trace of that smoke intermingled with the pulverized cement,gypsum and glass.
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ROH Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:23 PM
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24. What are the odds of these events occurring by chance?
1. Flight 11 switched off its transponder right next to an area with no primary radar coverage.
2. Flight 77 also switched off its transponder right next to an area with no primary radar coverage.
3. Flight 93 also switched off its transponder right next to an area with no primary radar coverage.
4. United Airlines Flight 175 switched off its transponder next to United Airlines Flight 93.
5. There were two incidences of a hijacked plane coming very close to a non-hijacked plane: Flight 11 (hijacked) met Flight 175 (not hijacked), and Flight 175 (hijacked) met Flight 93 (not hijacked).
6. Flight 77 struck the only side of the Pentagon that had been recently renovated: "reconstructed with a web of steel columns and bars to withstand bomb blasts".
7. None of the flight data recorders were said to be recoverable even though they were located in the tail sections of the planes, and that until September 11, 2001, no solid-state recorder in a plane crash had ever been unrecoverable.
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ROH Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:14 PM
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27. plus these events...
8. Flight 11 flew substantially off-course from its agreed flight plan and *away* from the WTC rather than towards it (the flight took a 14 minute detour up through New York State before turning towards Manhattan).
9. The pilots of all four planes did not change the transponder code to indicate a hijacking was taking place.
10. On September 11, 2001, war games and "live-fly" exercises were taking place (including a "plane into building" exercise), and most interceptors from the NE were in Canada and Alaska for war games.
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ROH Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:07 PM
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28. plus...
Edited on Wed May-11-05 03:10 PM by ROH
11. New York City was scheduled to have a biological terrorism exercise called Tripod on September 12, 2001. As Rudy Giuliani later testified, "hundreds of people here from FEMA, from the federal government, from the state, from the State Emergency Management Office" came to New York to take part. Presumably many had already arrived when the 9/11 attacks occurred. Giuliani noted that the equipment for the exercise was already there, so when his emergency bunker was destroyed in the attacks, he moved his response center to the planned site of the Tripod exercise.

12. The events mentioned by 9/11 relative Mindy Kleinberg, such as the highjackers' visas. In her testimony to the Commission she said, "It has been said that the intelligence agencies have to be right 100% of the time and the terrorists only have to get lucky once. This explanation for the devastating attacks of September 11th, simple on its face, is wrong in its value. Because the 9/11 terrorists were not just lucky once: they were lucky over and over again." She pointed out the inside trading based on 9/11 foreknowledge, the failure of fighters to catch the hijacked planes in time, hijackers getting visas in violation of standard procedures, and other events, and asked how the hijackers could have been lucky so many times.
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ROH Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 11:24 AM
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25. Low number of passengers...
on Flights 11, 77, 93 and 175 on September 11?

John, did anyone ever check into whether these flights were usually (on previous days) as low in terms of the number of passengers?
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 02:53 PM
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26. 9/11 coincidences in numbers
http://www.greatdreams.com/trade_numbers.htm
"THE COINCIDENTAL NUMBERS OF THIS ATTACK ON THE WTC

The date of the attack: 9/11: 9 + 1 + 1 = 11

Anagram for September eleven

TEN REV BE, ME SLEEP

Rev 10-1 Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven.
He was robed in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head;
his face was like the sun, and his legs were like fiery pillars.

911 is the Number for Help in many countries - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11.

Greaterthings/news/911

Note: We received this information in an e-mail dated 9-5-2001, prior
to the World Trade Center event. It seems rather prophetic. Under the
WTC are 7 floors which go into a deep pit.

Rev. 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the
bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is 1Abaddon,
but in the Greek tongue hath his name 2Apollyon

We are living in the time of the Book of Revelation - Rev. 9:11


Mohammed's birth is celebrated on the 11th day of the 9th month

September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.

After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year.

119 is the area code to Iraq/Iran. 1 + 1 + 9 = 11.

Twin Towers - standing side by side, looks like the number 11.

The number of stories is 110 (2x) 110 - 110
Remember that the zero "0" is not a number, so we have 11:11""



"September 11, 1941 construction started at a large site across the Potomac river, in Arlington, Virginia. Army engineers used 380,000 tons of sand and gravel dredged from the river to create the reinforced concrete used for the massive building.
The design was straightforward but very efficient: a 5 acre central courtyard is surrounded by five pentagonal rings. The five different wedges forming the pentagonal shape were created one by one and as soon as a wedge was finished, it would be occupied. The first occupants moved in the Pentagon in April 1942 and the building was completed in January 1943."

http://www.aviewoncities.com/washington/pentagon.htm

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