This piece will establish the thesis that on September 11 at about 10 a.m.
a plane exploded over Indian Lake, PA in a fireball - and that this plane is NOT identical with the object that caused the crater believed to be the grave of UA 93.
It is based on the excellent research of DU members John Doe and Zaphod 36 whose compilation proves that the many statements of eyewitnesses don't yield a coherent picture; quite to the contrary, it shows that the story of the last seconds of UA 93 is a hoax:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x37066I will focus on the statement of Jim Stop, one of the most important witnesses, quoted by several sources. John Doe knows more about him and his credibility.
Jim Stop of Somerset was fishing at the Indian Lake marina, about three miles from the crash site, when he looked up and saw the plane overhead. “I heard the engine whine and scream,” Stop said. He then heard an explosion and saw a fireball.This statement leaves just two conclusions:
1) Jim Stop is a liar or suffering hallucinations.
2) Jim Stop has seen a plane exploding over Indian Lake or its immediate surrounding, but surely not the plane or object that caused the crater three miles away.
Possibility 1) is very unlikely for two reasons: there is no reason for him to lie, and his statement is confirmed by other people near Indian Lake. Again, I have to refer to the article of John Doe and Zaphod 36.
To make the case for possibility 2), I'm asking the reader to stress his imagination. The assumption that Jim Stop is talking about a fireball over the crash site, three miles away, yields many problems:
1) Size: How big is an airplane three miles away? Maybe like a fly 30 ft away, i.e. very, very, small. Are you able to recognize an exploding fly from 30 ft. distance?
2) Volume: How loud is an explosion of a plane three miles away, and are you able to identify it as an explosion rather than an unidentified noise?
3) Altitude: Jim Stop was fishing at Indian Lake. Looking westward, the line of trees at the western shore of Indian Lake was his horizon. This webcam here, positioned at Indian Lake Marina, the place where he was fishing, gives a pretty good picture of his view:
http://216.223.162.33/onesite/publishsite/index.cfm?pagename=mainpage_template&client_id=370914&tablename=code&link_id=974044&linkname=Lake%20CamNot only the crash site is too far away, the line of sight is blocked by the trees, even if the fireball was 100 ft in the air as claimed by another witness.
4) Black Smoke: Unlike the witnesses near the crash site, Jim Stop never mentioned black smoke.
An exploding plane over Indian Lake also explains the raining debris which was found there.
I stated somewhere else that the plane was crossing Indian Lake from the West. I have to correct myself, I don't know where the plane came from. But I'm sure that it didn't explode over the crash site and caused the crater of "UA 93".