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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 03:24 PM
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Poll question: Did whoever pulled off 9/11 expect such a spectacular death toll?
Edited on Mon May-23-05 03:32 PM by UdoKier
Regardless of your beliefs about who did it, do you think that whoever pulled off 9/11 expected such a spectacular catastrophe and massive death toll?
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pie Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 03:27 PM
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1. I believe Cheney was very pleased
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 05:09 PM
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20. Check out this video...the best done, so far
This is possibly the most powerful video on 9/11, EVER!

Video, 20 min
Called, "Evil of 9/11"
http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/Secret-Evil-of-911.wmv

created by PlaguePuppy
Please visit their homepage:
http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/wsb...home.html-.html
==============================

In memory of our fellow citizens who lost their lives at WTC.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 03:28 PM
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2. Option 3, they expected far more deaths
Tens of thousands were in the buildings, I think the early estimates were far, far more numerous.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 05:09 PM
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19. I remember doing the math that morning...
calculating the number of floors, the number of offices on each floor, plus the people on the ground...

I remember the number creeping into the high four digits and being just sick.

KNOWING that the minimum number was still in the thousands.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 03:30 PM
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3. I wonder if they expected the death toll from war in the middle east?
They had to expect an over the top retaliation from smirk.

If I was the people of Iraq, I'd want Osama's head.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 03:31 PM
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4. Option 3 as well
I am still amazed that it only took so little lives. And I know it sounds like an understatement, but in a way it wasn't even that much considering the buildings.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 03:34 PM
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6. Done.
Although I believe in option 2 depending on who did it. If it was strictly AQ, it was option 2.

But if it was really a BFEE MIHOP, the probabilities of 1 and 3 are much higher. If they were do do such a thing, they would have it worked out to the Nth degree.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 03:58 PM
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8. Agreement here
Not to downplay anyone who died, but I am amazed that so few did.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 03:33 PM
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5. It could have been in the tens of thousands.
But the GOP got what it needed as it was.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 03:43 PM
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7. Option 3
They expected many more deaths. It's why they picked a Tuesday morning.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 04:01 PM
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9. Were the details of the Pentagon 9/11 exercise ever released?
I'll bet that would be one helluva interesting read.

I wonder if the plan included planes dropping off the radar.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 04:03 PM
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10. I say whoever did it wanted more deaths. Bush, Osama, whatever
It was meant to be large scale, catastrophic, and with tons of death and destruction.

No matter who caused it, for whatever reason, they wanted to send a strong statement and may have been hoping for ten thousand deaths.
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doodadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 04:19 PM
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11. Anyone read/seen David Ray Griffin?
I'd like to read the book. He makes some highly interesting points.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/050504davidraygriffin
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 04:31 PM
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13. Do you know whether or not he details,...
,...the exercise involving attacks on the WTC & Pentagon,...were those details released?
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 05:38 PM
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22. Crossing the Rubicon does.
He goes into documented detail.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 04:22 PM
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12. The PNAC knew that the attack had to be deadly enough to
frighten enough naive Americans into give away our freedom and do whatever the PNAC wanted.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 04:53 PM
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14. Massive death toll? 2700 US? When 18,000 US die EVERY YEAR
from lack of health care???

Hmmmm.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 05:00 PM
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17. According to the fat Osama...
on a video, he was pleasantly surprised that both towers went down.

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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:01 PM
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23. No one thought the 2 towers would actually collapse.
*RANT*

But I'm so tired of hearing the rightwingnuts trivialize the deaths of our troops by chanting numbers of soldiers who "died in one day during WWII"...yet they go on and on about the 911 deaths.

Tragic, yes. Horrific, yes. Criminal, obviously.

But also tragic, horrific and criminal (imo) are the deaths of 18,000 Americans EVERY YEAR from lack of health care. WHAT KIND OF NATION allows that many citizens to die EVERY YEAR???

If we take the bullshit figure the rightwingnuts chant for Hussein, "300,000", that's over 30 years. 10,000 a year. We allow almost DOUBLE that number to die from lack of health care!

Almost 100,000 Americans have died from lack of health care since 911. And we don't hear one single bloody word about it.

100,000+ Iraqis are dead, because of us, in 2 years...and we don't hear a word about it.

But we keep hearing all about those 2700 American deaths on 911...and even those, we NEVER hear about the CANADIANS and BRITS and GERMANS and FRENCH and etc who also died in 911.

Trivialize our soldiers' deaths, rightwingnut bastards...but make sure you ALSO trivialize the deaths of 911. Just the AMERICAN deaths in 911, of course. None of the others are important. *sarcasm*

*End of RANT (for now)*
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:05 PM
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26. I wonder who that guy is, because he's definitely not Osama.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 04:58 PM
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15. .
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 05:00 PM
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16. I heard some place they were totally surprised when the buildings collapsed
I think they were expecting less than 3,000. If the buildings had not collapsed the death toll probably would have only been around 1,000.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 05:16 PM
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21. I agree
I don't think they expected the buildings to fall down.

They were looking for the dramatic more than the death toll.

Even if just one of the planes skimmed one of the buildings, they would have been satisfied that they would have gotten the dramatic attack they wanted.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:06 PM
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27. Did you see that on the fake Osama film?
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 05:02 PM
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18. If the attacks had taken place later when everyone was at work in the WTC
Edited on Mon May-23-05 05:03 PM by undeterred
If the Port Authority had not done such an excellent job evacuating the terminals...
If the flights were at full capacity...
If the planes had hit the buildings at a lower point in a way which prevented everyone above the fires from getting out...
The number of casualties would have been/might have been much worse.

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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:04 PM
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24. If additional planes had been hijacked.
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NYdemocrat089 Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:04 PM
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25. I wasn't involved in the 9/11 attacks
but I expected a much higher death toll on 9/11.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:14 PM
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28. Well they initially said 5000 at the WTCs
and it later turned out to be well under 3000. Those buildings must each have a capacity of 30,000 when fully open for business.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:47 PM
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29. They expected a lot more. Back in 1993, they'd hoped to actually
topple one building sideways into the other. Thankfully, that didn't happen.

This came out before and during the trial of the '93 bombers.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:53 PM
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30. Kick for http://plaguepuppy.net
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