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Woody Box (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 01:24 PM Original message |
The final 270 degree circle path of flight 77 |
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demodewd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
1. just thinking |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 03:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I don't know |
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demodewd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 03:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. speaking of bases |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 03:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Who's speaking of bases? |
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demodewd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 03:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. I believe...I believe |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 03:42 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Not enough time for that to happen. |
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demodewd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 03:57 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. here is how it was it was done |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 04:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. It could not be done that way. |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 05:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. Bullshit. Flight 77 was lost from radar! |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 06:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. The radar info for Flight 77 wasn't displayed on ATC screens for 8 minutes |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 06:05 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. The problem is that you have to trust the commission to believe this |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 06:15 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. A quick question |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 09:32 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. You just said it was completely lost for 8 minutes |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-05 01:23 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Yes, but that's what the 9/11 commission says. |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-05 03:57 AM Response to Reply #24 |
40. Where's the raw primary radar, bolo? Where's even a direct statement |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-05 08:57 AM Response to Reply #40 |
46. See below. n/t |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 10:54 PM Response to Reply #20 |
33. Flights 77, 175, and 93 all were lost and confused with each other and oth |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-05 03:59 AM Response to Reply #33 |
41. I read that testimony only one way: “Do the standdown orders still stand?" |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-05 03:54 AM Response to Reply #12 |
39. Where is this radar evidence, bolo? |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-05 11:06 AM Response to Reply #39 |
57. My post #16: All the documentation you need n/t |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-24-05 10:25 AM Response to Reply #39 |
80. Here's a radar track that shows Flight 77 could not have hit Pentagon |
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John Doe II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 03:40 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Trackable |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 03:58 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. 9/11 Commission report, page 25 (pdf 42) |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 06:00 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Radar reconstruction could mean any number of things |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 06:06 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. The plane was not completely lost. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-05 10:47 AM Response to Reply #26 |
52. Deleted message |
Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-05 11:01 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. My post #16: All the documentation you need |
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John Doe II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-05 01:45 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Your faith in the Commission |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-24-05 07:09 AM Response to Reply #59 |
76. No one ever gets to examine 9/11 evidence |
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MrSammo1 (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-05 03:19 AM Response to Reply #26 |
100. Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon. |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-05 09:51 AM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Overpass is 300m SW of the Pentagon and parallel to the flight path. |
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MrSammo1 (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 05:33 AM Response to Reply #102 |
104. like this? |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 09:31 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Great picture. Lousy sense of direction. |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 10:30 AM Response to Reply #105 |
107. Plane came from the southwest |
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MrSammo1 (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 08:34 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. Looks like |
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MrSammo1 (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 08:31 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. Doesn't match the |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 10:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
34. What about the bodies of the alleged hijackers? |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-05 01:24 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. They were recovered too. |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-24-05 10:22 AM Response to Reply #38 |
79. then why the confusion over who the hijackers on the plane were? |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-05 04:05 AM Response to Reply #16 |
42. Let's see the "tertiary and quadrary" radar flight path reconstruction. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-05 08:51 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Why? You'll just say that it's made up. |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-05 10:35 AM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Where are these claims documented? You're just making this up. (nt) |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-05 11:02 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. My post #16: All the documentation you need |
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kerry_s (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-24-05 04:19 PM Response to Reply #44 |
88. Against All Enemies |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-05 03:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
60. Here is the primary radar map. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 03:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. What kind of missile? |
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demodewd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 03:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. location |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 03:27 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. So where did the airliner go after it fired the missile? (nt) |
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demodewd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 03:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. it exploded too |
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Frederik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 05:43 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. The problem with the missile theory |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 06:02 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Greater penetration into the building with the missile |
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Frederik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 06:15 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Yeah, I understand it explains the exit hole |
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demodewd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 07:09 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. containment. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 09:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Sometimes when I read your posts... |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 09:31 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. I agree that seems a bit silly |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 11:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
36. And the majority of pilots say that the plane was flown by remote control |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-05 10:59 AM Response to Reply #36 |
53. A majority? |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-24-05 10:34 AM Response to Reply #53 |
81. I've read what they said. I think it was credible- but not proven |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-05 10:16 AM Response to Reply #81 |
96. The majority of pilots on record |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-05 02:25 PM Response to Reply #53 |
97. Do you think Hanjour |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-24-05 10:35 AM Response to Reply #3 |
82. What caused the radiation at the Pentagon |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 07:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
69. Because you have an innate ability.... |
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Andre II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-24-05 03:40 AM Response to Reply #69 |
74. Eyewitnesses |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-24-05 10:15 AM Response to Reply #74 |
78. No I don't.. |
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MrSammo1 (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 09:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
70. Cause....... |
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John Doe II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
11. The question of this tread: |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 03:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. The question of this thread is moot. |
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John Doe II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 03:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Excuse me |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 04:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. See above. n/t |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-05 04:11 AM Response to Reply #13 |
43. Please back up this statement with SOME sort of evidence. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-05 08:57 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. What do you think was claimed, stickdog? |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-05 10:43 AM Response to Reply #45 |
51. You are only ASSUMING that 77's radar paths are somehow |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-05 11:04 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Flight 77 is trackable from takeoff to crashing, via radar evidence. |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-05 06:19 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Here is the primary radar map. |
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John Doe II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-05 09:06 AM Response to Reply #13 |
48. If nobody |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-05 10:42 AM Response to Reply #13 |
103. "other evidence" such as |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
21. Also, the transponder was miraculously turned on as the plane started |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-05 11:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. UA93 had transponder on and a new flight path to DC 3 minutes before |
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John Doe II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-05 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
47. Hey, what's up people? |
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Zaphod 36 (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-05 09:34 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Look here |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-05 05:59 PM Response to Reply #49 |
61. Low flying? |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-23-05 07:29 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. At what point was the plane heading towards the White House and where is |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-24-05 10:38 AM Response to Reply #65 |
83. What was correct time Pentagon was hit & how does that match up |
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catnhatnh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-05 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
58. What I haven't seen adressed here... |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-23-05 07:31 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. Where is the documentation for the extra 60 degrees? |
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Andre II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 06:35 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Yes, |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-24-05 01:52 AM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Turn angle |
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Andre II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-24-05 03:38 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Assumption or fact |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-24-05 07:01 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. You can see |
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Zaphod 36 (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-23-05 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
63. Cemetery |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-23-05 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
64. Were there witnesses who saw the plane come in along the river? |
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Andre II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
68. I think help is still needed |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 10:04 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Amazing how little we know about 77. |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-24-05 10:41 AM Response to Reply #68 |
84. FAA air traffic controller described it- but said it must have been milit |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-24-05 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
77. Can someone help me? |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-24-05 10:43 AM Response to Reply #77 |
85. Hadn't planes on the east coast been grounded by this time? |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-24-05 11:10 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. planes grounded |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-05 08:03 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. Why didn't Cheney order that Flight 77 be shot down? He had 43 minutes. |
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Woody Box (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-24-05 02:21 PM Response to Reply #77 |
87. Doesn't work |
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mirandapriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-05 01:59 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. and this was supposedly executed by Mr. Hanjour: |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-05 08:28 AM Response to Reply #87 |
91. Couple of things... |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-05 08:40 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. I actually went to the Pentagon |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-05 09:41 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Its documented that there is a battery of anti-aircraft missiles |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-05 10:11 AM Response to Reply #94 |
95. That is nonsense ... documented my a** |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-05 07:25 AM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Hijackers thought there were missiles |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-05 10:36 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. I think you have to go back to the 1960's and the Nike missile sites.. |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-05 09:00 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. That image |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-05 04:40 AM Response to Reply #93 |
101. Well at least that map gives us the scale. |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 10:20 AM Response to Reply #93 |
106. "Interesting" analysis here: |
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