A C-130 here, a C-130 there, a C-130 everywhere!

I think the coincidence that the very same C-130 that was close behind AA 77 when it is supposed to have crashed into the Pentagon was the very same one that was also close when UA 93 crashed is widely known.
I wonder if the story of the C-130 being at the Pentagon and then in Shanksville as being the very same isn't planted in order to reduce the odds that all of a sudden there is a C-130 everywhere.

But in any case here is an official statement that yet there defintitely was a second C-130 close to AA 77 :

General Scott stated before the Commission on May 23, 2003:
http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_2003-05-23.htm

when America 77, which in the meantime has turned off its transponder and turned left back toward Washington, appears back in radar coverage.
And my understanding is the FAA controllers now are beginning to
pick up primary skin paints on an airplane, and they don't know
exactly whether that is 77, and they are asking a lot of people
whether it is, including an a C-130 that is westbound toward
Ohio.

The time given was between 9:09 and 9:11.

and included the C130 in their statements- though the Media mostly omitted coverage of the C130 from their stories for reasons unknown.

the full statements of witnesses related to the C130 are on another thread regarding Media coverage of 9/11 (or lack of coverage)


There is a statement by the pilot of the C130 at the Pentagon, OBrien, that says that his plane was also the one at Fl 93. But that doesn't necessarily make it so. The fact that several of the C130 planes have advanced electronic warfare equipment, that can include remote control or control jamming equipment is interesting given the scenarios and evidence.

But also note that this C130 took off from Andrews AFB at 9:30 AM- after all commercial and military planes were grounded by the FAA and Dept. of Transportation. So what was this planes mission that was so important to disregard official orders??

But its also well documented that Buffet's plane(or the white jet seen in Pennsylvania) was at UA 93 site and was monitoring the flight throughout its path- and its also reported that the Buffet plane was apparently photographed at WTC site during the attack.

"But also note that this C130 took off from Andrews AFB at 9:30 AM- after all commercial and military planes were grounded by the FAA and Dept. of Transportation."

Military planes are NEVER grounded...and were not on 9/11.

in the grounding. But obviously this would not include military planes that had a 9/11 related mission.

The FAA announcement that included the military has been previously posted. Are you saying that the public announcement was somehow in error. That the FAA either didn't have the authority to make that announcement, or that the public version of the announcement that was posted was in error?

Both can be answered the same way:

The FAA doesn't have the authority to ground military planes in cases like this. The closing of U.S. domestic airspace was for civilian traffic only.

If news reports stated otherwise, they were in error.

This completely contradicts the testimony of Col. Alan Scott at the 2nd hearing of the Commission (9-11 commission hearing, 23rd May 2003)
www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_2003-05-23.htm

"And at about that same time, kind of way out in the West, is when America 77, which in the meantime has turned off its transponder and turned left back toward Washington, appears back in radar coverage. And my understanding is the FAA controllers now are beginning to pick up primary skin paints on an airplane, and they don't know exactly whether that is 77, and they are asking a lot of people whether it is, including an a C-130 that is westbound toward Ohio http://www.the-movement.com/Radar/Flight_77_FC_screenshots.htm
http://www.the-movement.com/Radar/flight_77.htm

I consider it most likely that the C-130 provided mobile remote control for 77 and 93, provided that 93 had a bomb on board, as reported, that was remotely detonated, causing the crash. There's a pilot who claims that he is the guy who shot down 93, but I think this might be a cover for the significance of remote control technology in the execution of the attack. There could have been any pilot at the controls, terrorist, professional, or passenger, and the remote control would have taken over in the last couple minutes simply to absolutely ensure a direct hit. Its the only way to be certain. So 77 was followed closely by the C-130, masking its radar signal, and then rendezvoused with 93 to prevent a shoot down by detonating the bomb. Just in case you didn't know, C-130s have been most widely utilized for communictions. The plane with the big radar disk on top. This plane might very well be refitted with the necessary remote technology to allow for this scenario. Others has suggested that 11 and 175 were controlled from the Mayor's emergency command bunker at WTC7. Everything had to go exactly as planned, so there would be as much redundancy as possible to ensure the desired outcome. And then all the evidence is blown up and carted off. Don't drop this ball. The C-130, if there is any more info to be had, is an interesting line of inquiry. See what else you can find. - R.C.

and some suggest they were involved in the remote control. But there could have also been a C 130 electronic warfare plane 30 miles away that might not have been noticed. And it could have been done from ground locations. The technology is versitle and well documented.

And remember the group of de Grand-pre pilots agree that remote control was used. They have knowledge and backgound to make their opinion significant.