U.S. Marines execute an Iraqi to the cheers of fellow marines

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5365.htm

-:WARNING:-

This video should only be viewed by a mature audience

*speechless*:shrug:

Could you or someone tell me the context if you know it? was this truly an execution, with an unarmed person being killed... no self-defense involved, etc? Do you know any background on who the victim is (what he did, other than being Iraqi)?

I am not seeking to justify it, but figure that if anyone tries to defend it, I should know the context... but I just can't click on the link.

Not enough information to make an informed opinion. I wonder if there is a longer version of this video. What happened before where the video starts?

of mentally, and physically scarred veterans. It breaks my heart.

it is a CNN video of an injured/wounded Iraqi laying on the ground--
the guy was no threat at this point, trying to get up, and of course instead of helping the guy, witch should be done according to the Geneva convention (apparently that no longer applies to US forces)
--they just keep shooting at him and cheer when he finally falls.

Where is the honor in this? revolting.

Where do I get in line to spit on this kid when he comes home? Will I have to take a number?

should not be allowed back in this country.
Send him off to jail...now!

saying the police executed the person is about as believeable.
I like to have a little more info before I get angry.

and they all cheered it was edited in? the comments at the end were edited and possibly taken out of context, but it was quite obvious the killing of the iraqi man was inhuman, like war is.

prefer to view as much of the continuous video that existed as possible
before judgement. As I said, the last 10 seconds of any police shooting
will look pretty bad without the context.

The photo sequence below from tacitconsent.com and ladygalaxy.org shows Nikki Hartman praying peacefully, then running away and getting shot in the back of the head.
http://www.underreported.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1214&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

And that was in Miami.
And Nikki Hartman is a caucasian woman.
Why should SHE get to pray peacefully?
In the USA?
Who does she think she is?
She asked for it.
Damn terrorist had it coming.

USA USA USA USA

Let me see...the guy was on the ground, already seriously wounded
and these guys shoot him like a dog and you think its been
blown out of context?

Hmmm... :eyes:

but if someone has been trying to kill you repeatedly, and you've wounded them,
and they are getting back up, are you going to let them kill you? If he was unarmed
and they had a clear view of him, that's a whole 'nother story.

and its against the Geneva convention to do so.
I can understand the counter arguement: well, this guy could have
a bomb strapped onto his body and the moment one of our guys gets
close enough, he'll blow himself up.

Yeah, well how about this: get the friggin hell out of Iraq?
We are occupiers. These people want to kill us for being there in
the first place.
So, we're going to put aside all sense of humanity "just because"
and "because it was awesome"?

The Marine's attitude was despicable. Like the Nazi SS....

this is simply inexcusable.

Do you like the songs played by the band The Pretenders?

Why is there a gap during the Marine's comments at the end. You can see the discontinuity in the news ticker on the bottom of the screen. What was said or explained in the missing interval?

The clip is designed to show Americans shooting a wounded soldier. But is that really what happened?

Based on information in the news ticker, by the way, it looks like the story was from on or about 27 October.

Some are pro and some are con, but based on them it is clear a lot more information is needed to determine if this was an 'execution' or Marines following orders to remove a threat to Americans.

will make EXCELLENT cops.
Wait till you see the awesome manner in which they remove threats with a simple toilet plunger!
http://rwor.org/a/v19/920-29/925/louima.htm

The boys were only having a little fun, blowing off steam, after breaking down an inhuman terrorist endowed with superhuman strength and a murderous disposition. Any true compassionate conserverative would be patriotic enough to understand that and support the troops.
http://www.crosswalk.com/news/1227583.html

That was a high-value target that the US soldiers were shooting at.
It is not like it was a human being or something.
Iraqis are Muslims, not humans.
Those boys only did the exact same thing that Jesus Himself would have done if He were in the same position.

It is well to recall that when Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill met in Placentia Bay off Newfoundland on the heavy cruiser Augusta on Aug. 9, 1941, to rally our nations to our common defense, they sang three songs with the assembled sailors: "O God, Our Help in Ages Past," "Eternal Father, Strong to Save" and "Onward, Christian Soldiers."
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20031021-090352-6004r.htm

Intelligence officials said the primary objective of the CIA reinforcements was to help teams already in Iraq identify the leadership of the resistance and locate it for the military. The Pentagon has created a new Special Operations group dubbed Task Force 121 that has been charged with hunting "high-value" targets in Iraq and Afghanistan. The CIA already has elements working alongside Task Force 121 and other military units, and the fresh deployments will bolster that effort.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/iraq/la-fg-intel12dec12,1,5509910.story?coll=la-home-headlines

No need to weep.
It's not like they killed a dog.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-asecapache11121103dec11,0,1537303.story?coll=sfla-news-florida

They are just soldiers doing their job.

"This is basically an assassination program. That is what is being conceptualized here. This is a hunter-killer team," said a former senior US intelligence official,
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1210/dailyUpdate.html?s=entt

They are a credit to their training.
And DARPA.
http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/03/06/24.html

you will make excellent use of them.

Meanwhile,
I can hardly wait for International Court to convene
and commence the trials of international terrorists.

Pity they don't have the death penalty.
Perhaps they can permit prisoners the use of anti-depressants.
Or pack them off to a place like this:
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=%5CCulture%5Carchive%5C200312%5CCUL20031211b.html

shooting a wounded combatant lying on the ground ,
in the back ...

and cheering no less

I don't know if it was shown on domeestic, or only on International.

That tape is heavily edited and all credibility is gone if the whole sequence of events is not shown.

Shame on anyone who would pass judgement without all the facts.

for this despicable waffle.

The message of the tape is very clear: there are US soldiers (for unknown reason sometimes called "servicemen"), trained killers, who make grunts and shouts of satisfaction when killing those who resist their invasion and occupation. They explicitly describe their good feelings after the fact, without remorse.

That a Clark supporter would make excuses for such killing machines makes me wonder about their candidate ...

For convicting people before you see the whole story. As it looks, it looks real bad. But I am not going to base my decisions on a heavily edited hack job carried on the Al Jarezza network.

This footage is edited. I can see the ticker jump. Why doesn't it start from the beginning of the action? I have questions. You should too.

How would you like it if I photo shop your picture on that soldier's face?

Shame on you!

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5369.htm

CNN Presents: Fit To Kill

Aired October 26, 2003 - 20:00 ET

"MACGOWAN: You go through a progression, a stepwise regression, and sort of like, well, that's an enemy of my country. Those people -- they're trying to kill me. They're subhuman. They're animals. They're going to rape our women and kill our children. Save our children. They're in the way. Kill them."

if it were a tape of IRAQI soldiers treating an AMERICAN in the same way,
TrueAmerican
would be trying to fire up Enola Gay.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6222-2003Dec16.html

No benefit of the doubt for Iraq when it comes to WMD.
Just lie your face off
http://www.mediainfo.com/editorandpublisher/headlines/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=2056015
kill them all
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles9/Nimmo_Nice-Murderer.htm
and celebrate with the Right Wing bastards
who are STILL trying to blame the Palestinians for September 11.

And the hypocrites have the nerve
to complain to high heaven
about Saddam's death squads all the while
THEY are SLAUGHTERING civilains with their
SHOCKING and AWFUL
daisy cutters,
Depleted Uranium rounds
land mines,
and other
weapons of mass destruction.

They,
whose propaganda machine started
TWO wars against Iraq for NOTHING
pretend to be the saviors
of the human beings they have been killing for the past 13 years.

For Mr Bush, the missing weapons are a politically charged issue. Pressed to explain why his administration had asserted Saddam possessed weapons, when at best fragmentary evidence of programmes had been found, Mr Bush replied: "So what's the difference? "If he were to acquire weapons, he would be the danger," he said in an interview with ABC News' Diane Sawyer.
Mr Bush's public dismissal of the weapons issue is the latest move by Washington and London to changethe justification for war. Weapons of mass destruction, and even weapons programmes, are no longer being put forward as the reason for the invasion.
Senior US and British officials now dwell almost exclusively on the atrocities perpetrated by Saddam against his people, and the opportunity provided by his removal for a regeneration of the Middle East.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=474598

Much of the international community has been debating whether Saddam could face the death penalty for alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity.
But the experts said at a Washington meeting organized by the American Enterprise Institute that any trial of Saddam could simply get bogged down over the lack of evidence.
"It is one thing to say what we all know about what Saddam did. But it's another to prove it in a court of law," warned Kanan Makiya, founder of the Iraq Memory Foundation, one of the groups helping to draw up a new Iraqi constitution.
Because "we don't have a smoking gun to convict Saddam. We will need witnesses, documents," he said.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1218-06.htm

See what I mean?
Once the PR people are barred from reciting propaganda and hearsay,
THEY HAVE NOTHING TO USE IN A COURT OF LAW.

Torturing foreigners -
who like the Iraqi who was shot in the back -
have NOT been accused or convicted of ANY wrongdoing
is something that only the Marquis de Sade and his disciples
enjoy or condone.
Unfortunately, that same type of behavior is taking place within the US holding pens - where incidentally,
ANY INS employee
who is stationed in the land of the free and the home of the brave
is allowed by law
to KILL
ANY foreigner outright
for ANY reason
at ANY time.

Thursday, December 18, 2003
The Justice Department's inspector general announced today that investigators had found hundreds of prison videotapes that were not turned over by federal prison officials during an earlier investigation and that the tapes confirm reports of serious physical and verbal abuse of immigrants detained after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A11865-2003Dec18.html

And WHO is minding THAT store?


(Gratuitous use of photo-shoped face on picture.)

So a lawbreaker named John Ashcroft will remain where he is and continue to be a disgrace to his office as well as a constant reminder that the Bush Administration and the party that backs him doesn’t give a damn about the law, the Constitution or the United States of America.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_3738.shtml

Yeah,
the same chickenhawk fucktards
who got us into this mess in the first place.
http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=list&category=%20NEWS%3B%20Chickenhawks

They couldn't manage to go fight for their dearly beloved nation
but they sure know how to send thousands to their deaths.

In 1991, the Army inspector general found that 8,000 Reserve personnel were activated but could not deploy for Operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm because of a variety of maladies that included, according to the GAO, cancer, heart disease, double kidney failure, muscular dystrophy, and in one case, a gunshot wound to the head. And the GAO found that the Army had more than 22,000 reservists with medical conditions that would prevent them from deploying.
http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2003/12/13/army_facing_medical_crisis/

Look at that.
A guy with DOUBLE KIDNEY FAILURE
still shows up
as does
the chap with A GUNSHOT WOUND TO THE HEAD.
Ready to their duty, they are, and to heed their nation's call.
And WHAT do they get for their trouble?
'People like you caused us to lose that war.'
-- Ann Coulter
That twit couldn't find her way to own site without assistance.
http://blogs.salon.com/0001772/stories/2003/02/13/whoGoogledMe.html

I guess they didn't shoot enough snuff films
to satisfy the Coultergeist
and her supporters
that they were killing unarmed and defenseless people
in their own land.
http://www.boondocksnet.com/ai/kipling/labouche.html

The video tape is pretty incriminating as far as a war crime could
be proven.

Reminds me a little of the Tet offensive in Feb. 1968, when Brigadier General Nguyen Ngoc Loan, a south Vietnamese security official who at the time was head of South Vietnam's national police, is captured on film shooting point-blank in the head with a snubnose .38 pistol a Viet Cong prisoner, photo taken by American photographer Eddie Adams.

The victim’s name was Nguyen Van Lem (Bay Lop) who was 36 at the time of his death. Nguyen Van Lem was born in 1933, he fought the French with Ho Chi Minh as a teen-ager. When captured in Saigon during the Tet Offensive, he was a Viet Cong captain with a nom de guerre.

"That photograph did much to turn Americans against the war", his wife Ms. Thi Lop said in a recent interview last May 1, 2000. "He would have been happy to see his goal achieved, a socialist state free of foreign occupation."

A story in Time Magazine, February 15 1993, p.42 recalls the incident.

What makes it so damning, the video tape of a soldier executing what should have been an Iraqi POW, is that there is a common language in the Middle East, Arabian. Things like this can be tranferred much quicker into the Arab mind than an extrajudicial killing of a Viet Cong POW, because the Vietnamese language made its impact somewhat limited.

Of course, that didn't stop 20 milllion people from seeing the shooting back in 1968, mainly because it was broadcast on all the media news.

is heavily edited! Clearly there is a bias here. Why did they edit the tape? And it doesn't surprise me that marines would shoot a guy who was wounded yet still dangerous. This is a guerilla war, these guys will shoot you in the back, have women cry for help so you come near and they can kill you. I'm sure the marines have learned by now to be wary of such practices.

as they shovelled CHILDREN into the ovens.

The Marines are KILLING Iraqi women - especially those who cry out.
And they have frequently been known to KILL the children as well.
http://www.boston.com/dailynews/351/world/U_S_troops_smash_into_homes_sh:.shtml
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3305837.stm

Are you one of their instructors?
I ask this because
you are one of the VERY VERY few
who can see the danger that an unarmed man offers
towards a group of armed and trained soldiers who have surrounded him.
I also ask this because
it appears to me and others
(who will be monitoring the Hague for trials of serial killers
who have the audacity to carry Genvea Conventions ID cards)
that NONE of the men catured on tape
have been informed of their obligations under
Laws of War : General Orders No. 100
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lieber.htm
or even ONE of the documents found at
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lawofwar/lawwar.htm

Jessica Lynch is thankful
that her Iraqi captors were
TOTALLY UNABLE to see what danger she offered them
as she lay in the sand broken and bleeding
and crying out for help,
presumably
so that the IRAQI medics could approach
for her consorts to KILL.

Speaking of heavily edited tapes,
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/gbhair1.html
have you seen
"the flying codpiece"?
or
"the landing of the turkey"?
or
"the mother of all captures"?

Or, even better,
the UNEDITED VERSION of
G W Bush just before he announced
the extermination of the people of Iraq.

When you watch the videos, think about the fact that Bush is about to tell the world that he's sending our soldiers to possibly die, but definitely to kill innocent people in Iraq as our military bombs and shoots its way to Saddam. Think about that and contrast that with Bush's jovial, playful attitude, seen unfiltered in the Dutch broadcast.
Hey, Bush, it sure is funny thinking about all those innocent Iraqi women and children who are going to die painful and horrible deaths because of your bombs, isn't it? Just downright slap-happy funny. We bet you haven't had this much fun since you mocked Karla Faye Tucker's plea for clemency and executed at least 135 people while Governor of Texas.
And then the show really begins and Bush puts on his face of concern and tempered anxiety. What a farce. What a shameful, despicable farce. Every moment fabricated.
And now, back to the war coverage.
http://eces.org/articles/000032.php

The Marines are KILLING Iraqi women - especially those who cry out.
And they have frequently been known to KILL the children as well.

Dave - They are not killing Iraqi women, not especially the ones who cry out either, but if you have evidence that they intentionally shoot them, please show it. If they liked to kill the children, why did they have a medic help them when they were injured?

Are you one of their instructors?
I ask this because
you are one of the VERY VERY few
who can see the danger that an unarmed man offers
towards a group of armed and trained soldiers who have surrounded him.
I also ask this because
it appears to me and others
(who will be monitoring the Hague for trials of serial killers
who have the audacity to carry Genvea Conventions ID cards)
that NONE of the men catured on tape
have been informed of their obligations under

Dave - No, I'm not one of their instructors. And the guy wasn't unarmed, he was injured. Since injured Iraqis have shot Marines in the back or used screaming women as bait, I'm guessing that the Marines show the utmost caution now. Plus, if this guy is some fanatic (he may not even be an Iraqi) they usually keep on fighting as long as they can. The Geneva Convention is a guideline that no country really follows when at war. It has no teeth behind it that would stop the US bending its rules a bit. The US just wants to keep our troops safer while still acting humane towards civilians. As for the guerillas, we are harsher on them than some organized army because they arn't an army, so we could care less about Geneva when it comes to that part.

Or, even better,
the UNEDITED VERSION of
G W Bush just before he announced
the extermination of the people of Iraq.

Dave - The extermination of Iraq? Really?

When you watch the videos, think about the fact that Bush is about to tell the world that he's sending our soldiers to possibly die, but definitely to kill innocent people in Iraq as our military bombs and shoots its way to Saddam. Think about that and contrast that with Bush's jovial, playful attitude, seen unfiltered in the Dutch broadcast.
Hey, Bush, it sure is funny thinking about all those innocent Iraqi women and children who are going to die painful and horrible deaths because of your bombs, isn't it? Just downright slap-happy funny. We bet you haven't had this much fun since you mocked Karla Faye Tucker's plea for clemency and executed at least 135 people while Governor of Texas.
And then the show really begins and Bush puts on his face of concern and tempered anxiety. What a farce. What a shameful, despicable farce. Every moment fabricated.

Dave - He was jovial because of the fact that he was going to kill Iraqis? I think he was just kidding around because in such serious situations, if you're always serious and deadpan, you might as well not be alive. Humor is what keeps the human spirit alive in the worst of times. I doubt he was happy about the upcoming battle. Plus, if you're going to blame the US for those Iraqis deaths, then you'd have to blame the US for any deaths in Iraq while Saddam was in power. It's flawed logic, we're always wrong no matter what we do.

If any of you spit in the faces of returning soldiers I hope they knock you cold. There is politics and there is human decency. We can disagree with the war, we can despise the policies of the administration, but to render judgement on an obviously doctored piece of footage and gleefully speak of spitting in the faces of our soldiers is truly pathetic. I never thought being logical and decent would make me a minority in my own ideological wing.

I was afraid to click the link. What horrified us six months ago is *tame* compared to what we know today. :cry: