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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 08:57 PM
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Is this proof Bush may have known about 9-11?
Check out how many warnings he got before 9-11. He either ignored them, or knew and wanted it to happen. If that is the case, he should be impeached.

http://www.newwartimes.com/warnings.html

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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 09:00 PM
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1. The Phillpines one is true
but I don't know if the Phillipino official reported the sketches to the US or Phillipine government. I heard that he didn't really think anything like what was on the sketch could happen.
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plurality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 09:01 PM
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2. careful
We make Democrats look bad unless we say no one could have imagined 9/11 and the terrorist hate us for our freedoms. /sarcasm
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 09:01 PM
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3. Oh, he knew something was up.
Edited on Tue Dec-30-03 09:06 PM by gristy
There's no doubt about that. The neo-cons didn't know what was up, but they were counting on something happening so they could put their plan (Iraq, Patriot Act, tax cuts, etc.) into action. What was the name of that report that Clinton's NSA handed to Rice in January '01?

on edit, from the posted article:

When Berger gave national security adviser Condoleezza Rice her handover briefing, he covered the bin Laden threat in detail, and, sources say, warned her: "You will be spending more time on this issue than on any other."

Oh, they spent a lot of time on it, alright.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 09:55 PM
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16. In addition to Berger's brief, Hart/Rudman was there that first week
but Clinton suggestions meant Bush did the opposite - because Bush is competent in addition to being liked by the press.

Indeed likability is what the media sold - and it is what the media now measures and tells us the Bush current good likability numbers mean he will beat Dean in 04 because Dean's "likability" is currently lower than Bush - and the media plans to keep it that way.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 09:04 PM
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4. it is damning
Edited on Tue Dec-30-03 09:04 PM by rumguy
much of that is public record and cannot be disputed - in particular the memo that was on Condi's desk...that one is real damning!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 09:04 PM
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5. Interesting article Sean.
Thanks for posting the link.
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YNGW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 09:07 PM
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6. FYI
The 9/11 threads are now being posted in the Foreign Affairs/National Security area under the heading "9/11, Military Affairs, and Terrorism."
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 09:08 PM
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7. But noone goes there.
;-)
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 09:19 PM
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9. "But no one goes there"
Edited on Tue Dec-30-03 09:20 PM by Q
- That's the point. Some DUers are moaning about 9-11 threads in GD. Even though no one has made any kind of announcement that 9-11 threads aren't allowed in this forum...a bunch of self-proclaimed hall monitors are running around 'enforcing' these nonexistant rules.
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Mel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 09:24 PM
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10. I think your right
it's a good idea you posted it here.

Another thing, PNAC is another issue to bring up in GD.
What we have to realize which I think you do is that we have newbies and I see them going to LBN or GD first. :shrug: <------of course, I've been wrong before so I could be wrong now ;)
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 09:14 PM
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8. DU hasn't made this official policy...
...at least they haven't announced it.

- But it's so nice of you to play the role of hall monitor.
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maha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 09:25 PM
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11. Yes.
This is not just conspiracy theory; it's public record. Lots of us have gotten a big obsessive-compulsive about timelines.

Black Max's Excellent Timeline

The Road Through 9/11

The Michael Rupert Timeline

The Maha Chronicles: Timeline of Terror



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BlackMax Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-03 01:56 AM
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23. Thanks for the link, Maha
I wondered why my hits nearly doubled today :-)

I've revamped the site and added a hell of a lot of new content. The Geocities bandwidth still bites, so I'm considering moving it, but I'm broke. Any suggestions for a better free host, anyone? Someone's already suggested ProHosting.

http://us.share.geocities.com/purplesage23/index.html

By the way, the absolute best timeline out there is the Center for Cooperative Research at

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 09:36 PM
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12. Incredible
Bookmarked
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 09:39 PM
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13. i'm sure this is naive of me but
has this timeline document been forwarded to our illustrious "news" agencies and if so and they are not running this front and center, are they not also guilty of treason? what gives? i don't care how much they're being paid off or how much they or their families are being threatened, there HAS to be someone, somewhere....
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:00 PM
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17. In many different forms yes in has been sent for 2 years
we've been sending compiling sending more .

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:06 PM
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18. NYT just noted the FAA/NORAD/JFK take off time line
where 8:20 is notice to FAA of hyjack, NORAD plane from Otis begins (half?)speed chase a little after 8:30 (8:34 is often sold), with pilopt requesting kill order, and pilot is told there is no kill order(this part of story not in NYT - but talk to Cape Cod folks who talked to airbase folks that day), and - here is NYT revelation!!!!!! - :-) :-) - - the JFK/LaG airport landings/takeoffs did not stop until after 9:06 - after 2 towers hit.

Time line is too tough for the NYT to understand - and the paper of record would rather not be the paper of record on this.

not that our media are cowards - or are right wing GOP controlled - they just act that way!

:-)
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 11:02 PM
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22. well, if it walks like a duck,
etc. i have to admit the shock has probably just recently begun to drop off in chunks and the clarity of what happened is just thunderous. having known they knew was one thing, but it's all so clear and blatant i'm wondering is the country still in shock an unable to see the truth, or are they literally idiots. it is very frightening to see the faces of those who have and would continue to murder us smiling away on the tv screen, making the most shallow of speeches and seeing our media headlets grin and make small talk. so surreal. hats off to all of you who have had the clarity all along and have been putting up with this rampant denial and ignorance for so long now. sorry if i'm rambling - just need some sleep.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 09:43 PM
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14. Thanks for the list of events.
There's some stuff on there that I was unaware of, such as all the warnings to the FAA.

Funny, two weeks before 9-11, I boarded a plane in LaGaurdia without showing anyone a ticket, no ID, no nothing. I even tried to force the gal at the gate to look at my ticket but she was in too much of a hurry to turn the plane and just waved me on board because she didn't want to 'waste' the time. So much for airport security.



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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 09:45 PM
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15. I read about the FAA in Readers Digest shortly after 9-11.
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:34 PM
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19. go here for more info
Interesting link. Virtually all of it is taken from my 9/11 timeline, just edited down and rephrased, as the bottom of the page notes:

"While I have acquired much of this information over time, I wish to thank the people at the Center for Cooperative Research for allowing me to paraphrase some material from their extensive database in this timeline. I have covered only a fraction of the available information, leaving out many important and intriguing facts. More can be found by emailing me or by visiting www.cooperativeresearch.org."

I don't remember being asked for permission, but hey, information wants to be free.

If you want to get the more thorough version with sourcing of all the facts, go here:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline

This New War Times page is indeed just the tip of the iceberg and there are indeed many more "important and intriguing facts."
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:37 PM
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20. you're a treasure, Paul
As I said in another post, without your timeline, I don't think I'd really know what time it is.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:51 PM
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21. the trading of American and United stocks creeps me out. n/t
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