Atta on sept. 9th

Ex DUer John Doe II has an interesting post on another forum.

"On this very interesting day Atta did the following:

1. Atta and Al Shehhi returned a rented car in Deerfield Warrick’s “Rent a car”. The paper notes “Day in” 9/9/01 and that the rental had 6 over hours. We don't know the exact time but that doesn't matter.




And that Atta was there is also reported by somebody who should know: Mr. Warrick himself:

When he returned the car on Sept. 9 -- two days before the attacks -- Atta reminded him about the oil light. "The only thing out of the ordinary,'' Warrick said, ``was that he was nice enough to let me know that the car needed an oil change. That was odd since he was planning to die in a matter of days.'


This story is widely reported.

2. Undoubted as well is that Atta rented a Nissan in Boston on the late afternoon the very same day. Exactly at 6:08 pm as the FBI affidavit from September 12 tells us.
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/atta/resources/documents/fbiaffidavit12.htm

So in Deerfield Beach in the morning and in Boston in the evening. Well, still possible. Take a flight from Florida to Boston and it's ok.
But now we turn to

3.
“Sunday morning, the 9th, more of the Florida suspects are heading north. At the Panther Motel, the men tell the front desk they're leaving in 20 minutes. Up in Baltimore, Atta, the suspected ringleader, has boarded a MetroJet to Boston where two of the planes will be hijacked.”
(NBC, 9/24/01)

But I thought Atta was in Deerfield Beach. How can he have been in Baltimore as well??
A journalistic mistake.
Well, let's check out the Commission Report:
Atta was still busy coordinating the teams. On September 7, he flew from Fort Lauderdale to Baltimore, presumably to meet with the Flight 77 team in Laurel. On September 9, he flew from Baltimore to Boston.

And please tell me how is that possible?
A bit too much for one day and one man, isn't it? "

http://www.team8plus.org/forum_viewtopic.php?6.1704

It would be cool if someone would put together all that evidence.

Unfortunately I don't have the time to look p the links.

But there are hints of two Atta's:
1) Able Danger identifies an Atta in Brooklyn before Atta came to US from Germany
2) There were reports that Atta met with Iraqi secret service in Prague, while Atta was officially in Florida
3) Dan Hopsicker has evidence of two Atta's being in Florida

etc.

Seems plausible that inteligence agencies had a double for Atta-- useful for confusing investigators and also for doing things they couldn't make the Atta patsy do.

The question is, which Atta was on the plane, if any????

"2) There were reports that Atta met with Iraqi secret service in Prague, while Atta was officially in Florida"
They are false. Further, the guy he's supposed to meet wasn't even in Prague that day.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=complete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq_174

The rental did not have over 6 hours, but 11 days. The 6.00 is the charge in dollars for Over Hours.

nonsense.

But this doesn't change the fact.

Especially strong is the evidence for two Attas on Sep 7. One drinking in Hollywood and one in Baltimore as shown in the link of the first poster.
And there are also two Al Shehhis.

From these posts, it is noted that Atta had had 12 addresses, two places he lived and 10 safe houses. Also, he was wired money in Florida on Sept. 8 and 9, when he was supposedly in Baltimore.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&al-qaeda_members=mohamedAtta

Mid-September 2001: Private Consumer Databases Reveal Large Credit Card Debt, Multiple Residences of Hijackers

In a 2002 speech, former President Bill Clinton will relate information he says he learned from a close friend who works at Acxiom, the world's largest processor of consumer data. According to this friend, a couple of days after 9/11, FBI agents arrive at Acxiom and discover information about five of the 9/11 hijackers in Acxiom's computer databases. Clinton relates, “One of the men who flew an airplane into the World Trade Center had 30 credit cards, a quarter of a million of dollars in debt, and a consolidated payout schedule of $9,800 a month. ... Mohamed Atta, the ring leader, had 12 addresses, two places he lived and 10 safe houses, under the names Mohamed Atta, Mohammed J. Atta, J. Atta, and his middle initial spelled out.” No information like this will be revealed by any subsequent official 9/11 investigations, except for a vague one sentence reference in a 9/11 Commission Report footnote that “Searches of readily available databases could have unearthed” valuable information on at least some of the hijackers. <9/11 Commission Final Report, 7/22/2004, p. 539>

. . .


September 8-11, 2001: Last-Minute Money Transfers Between Hijackers and United Arab Emirates
The 9/11 hijackers send money to and receive money from a man in the United Arab Emirates (UAE) who uses the aliases “Mustafa Ahmed,” “Mustafa Ahmad,” and “Ahamad Mustafa.” This “Mustafa” transfers money to Mohamed Atta in Florida on September 8 and 9 from a branch of the Al Ansari Exchange in Sharjah, UAE, a center of al-Qaeda financial dealings.

Hi,
the link in the original post provides evidence for THREE Attas on the eve of Sep 7 as well as TWO Al Shehhis on Sep 9.
This finding suffice to prove that the Commission lied and the official story is simply bullshit.
Nobody trying to refute this??

Had a look again on this thread in the original link:
now there is proof of two Attas on Sep 8 as well.
Anybdoy of the usual naysayers bothering to refute this?
Anybody believing that the hijackings really took place by members of al Qaeda should wonder why al Qaeda would be interested in having TWO Attas in the US.

object?

Atta on Sep 7:
reported drinking in Shuckums at least till 7 pm
reported being in Sarasota in a hotel close to where Bush stayed on Sep 10.
officially in Baltimore.

Atta on Sep 8:
Officially doing transactions in Baltimore.
Witnessed in Florida being interested in crop dusters. The story was also reported in the Report of the Joint Inquiry.

Al Shehhi on Sep 9:
officially in Boston
witnessed in New York.
witnessed being still in his hotel in Florida. (Witness his hotel manager). He was seen in the eve of Sep 9 and wasn't seen on Sep 10.

Any explanation?

stressing the fact that all events that the presence of two Atta's on Sep 7 and 8 are build on are also mentioned in Paul Thompson's Timeline. Unfortunately Paul Thompson hasn't specified the date the events occured.

I'm definitely going to work on updating some of this material in my timeline to make the time conflicts clear. Thanks for pointing this out.

So what's your take on it?
Do you think that the events on Sep 7 and 8 do prove that there had been two Attas in the US?
If yes: How do you explain that? What interest would al Qaeda have in doing so?

If you don't:
Which event do you consider as not have taken place or which Atta do you consider not to be Atta. So who would he be?
Or do you see any possibility to explain all shown events with a single person called Atta?

So,
either all the reportings and eyewitnesses got it all wrong or we do have two Attas which would mean (at least) one still alive.
How do you explain the presence of two Attas???

any explanation?