Mr President! Your time is up- We know what happened on 9/11!!!

I've decided to re-post some of my beliefs on what really happened on September 11 2001. I chose the political forum as we need to get this administration out-Whatever it takes. Nothing less than our future is at stake.

I'll start with a clip from "An open letter to Republicans"
posted 9/11/2005
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"Today is also the 4th anniversary of a horrid horrid event. One that should have never happened. No able danger Clinton to blame argument. There is ample documentation as to the warnings the outgoing administration gave the new administration. Not to mention ignoring over 100 individual warnings after they took office. Most infamous is the August 6 2001 PDB labeled “Osama determined to strike within US”. Also FBI agents trying to report strange goings on at flight schools in Fla & Az...Only to be stymied by the administration & not investigated. Nope, can’t blame Clinton. It happened on Bush’s watch.

What made me so ultra left politically was my personal investigation into the events of 9/11.
While I initially believed the official story it was apparent this administration had no great urgency in pursuing Osama but were hell bent for leather to go into Iraq, facts be dammed
Well, after the last election-wich I saw as an obvious fraud-I began seeking answers. What I found was not pretty but it is truth.

This has so many implications in how we view the world the only correlation I can make is that it is like taking “The Matrix” pill. Your life will never be the same once you learn & can see anew. See the real motivations & the ability behind 9/11.

Are you aware of a document (previously) labeled The Project for a New American Century? It is signed by Cheney, Rumsfeld, Negropante etc... The whole group in charge basically. They all sponsored & signed on to this “project”. In this document they call for “a NEW PEARL HARBOR”. This is to get the US public to accept such things as a reduction of rights & civil liberties & a plan to dominate the dwindling oil reserves in the middle east. They knew well of the impending problems caused by peak oil & our economic dependency on foreign oil. It’s very interesting & you may enjoy reading it.

Well, you know where I’m going with this & like hell you say. Well I believe I can prove to some extent that they did it. If we Democrats had subpeano power we could prove it in any court in the land. Kinda makes you wonder why packing the courts is so important BTW. It’s not them precious fetus’s, they are covering their ass.

Let’s start with the initial lack of response by our Air Force. It is well documented that V.P. Cheney was in charge of war games that day. They mirrored the attack on the towers eerily enough. That still would not have prevented interceptor jets from scrambling & finding out why commercial airliners were doing U-turns with their transponders turned off. Yet the flights continued for OVER AN HOUR. Intercept time is MINUTES. Why were the airliners not intercepted as per standard procedures?

Then we have the “Job#1” incident. The President is “Job#1” to secret service. Whenever there is a perceived threat, no matter how minor-they are to protect the President & remove him from danger. Why then did the President go unprotected? He was aware of the 1st plane hitting the WTC BEFORE he left for his day school photo op. He even mentioned he had seen footage of the plane hitting the tower & that he thought ”what a bad pilot” he had been for hitting the building!(more on that later).Then comes the infamous scene where the President sits there like a lump for almost 10 minutes while he reads “My Pet Goat”. It was obvious at this point to anyone that this was an attack. Why didn’t they protect the President?. He should have been carted away ASAP. That is (again) standard procedure. Yet he stayed an additional 55 minutes & even talked to the children about the attack.

Regarding the “what a bad pilot” comment the President made later. Well funny thing is, even though the President surely has all the latest electronic gadgets in his vehicles, there was NO available footage of the 1st planes impact till a day later when a citizen provided the footage. Hmmmm.

Now, to the WTC collapses. Too detailed to get into but the official story is provable as bunk. The melting points & temp’s are all off. The core construction denied etc...Like I said, lots of science stuff but nevertheless, provable that the plane impacts did not cause the near perfect collapses. What did?. Let’s look at WTC7. Nearly omitted in the official reports WTC7 was the nerve center for the WTC complex. It contained emergency offices, generators & most important-The mainframe data banks. This building never suffered an airliner impact, was of steel frame contruction,22 stories with a heavily fortified design. There were minor debris damage & fires yet the building was never perceived to be in any great danger. In fact Mayor Guiliani used the offices as a command center for the 1st hours after the strikes. Yet this building also collapsed, 1st steel frame building in history to collapse. And it collapsed in a free fall ,into it’s own footprint. That is impossible except in a demolition. Well the owner of that building is actually on film saying he called for the building to be “pulled”. Pulled in this sense can really be used in only one way-as a demolition term. That’s the term used for a building to be destroyed by explosion.

How could they rig the buildings beforehand??? Well Marvin Bush was put in charge of security a few months prior to 9/11. The buildings were evacuated & the central cores shut down for the 1st time ever 2 weeks before the attacks. This was supposedly for maintenance. Thereafter the bomb sniffing dogs that normally patrolled the buildings were not allowed in. This is document able
fact ,not here say.

The Pentagon strike also begs some question. Why no debris field?. After all a airliner should leave some debris right? Check & see-There is virtually no debris & the area around the strike is largely unaffected-even consumable items such as wooden spools & a book left open on a desk-all undamaged. Also the “entry hole” for the airliner is 14 foot in diameter-an airliners gonna squeeze through that & punch consecutive neat holes in concrete for 4 layers. Yeeeeahhh-riiiiight.

Then there is flight 93, the “Hero” plane. I love the story of our brave citizens fighting back & struggling to take back control of the plane. But that’s all it is, a story. The crash sight has been closed till now to hide details left behind by the impact. Details like an engine over a mile from the crash sight & a trail of debris leading to the crash sigh from the engine. That doesn’t sound like a plane that was flown into the ground. In another rare & fateful piece of video the Canadian Air force chief is caught saying that he helped us shoot down that flight on 9/11. So, like the Jessica Lynch story it’s a bit of Hoorah for us but entirely false.

Most telling to me is the actions taken since 9/11. They have tried to avoid any real investigation the entire time. The have never seriously attempted to capture those they claim to be involved. Yet they work at a feverish pace to establish permanent bases in Iraq.

If this whole P N A C thing really was for the greater good of USA & screw everyone else, why is gasoline so expensive. Why are they allowing record profits at a time of war? Why are they writing checks we can’t cash for everything?. Where is the accountability?. Sad fact is they don’t care. About you, me or anyone who doesn’t contribute the kind of cash necessary to oil their machine, The only ones who can afford to play are corporations. And surely their only concern is the bottom line. The almighty dollar. Not USA, not it’s citizens or it’s infrastructure. Not it’s natural resources. They are all fair game for them in a sick race to the lowest bottom line for maximized profits. People be damned."
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I'll finish with a poem I wrote about 8 months ago....I like to post it in public places, the copies never last long but I feel better for trying....

Ode to Republicans
Oh! Where are your values, of a government small.
Of a constitution held true!, and Tax cuts for all.

Long gone don't you see, all squandered for naught.
Bill Of Rights?..Sold for trinkets, to bandits yet caught.


Who has raped Lady Liberty, and left her for dead?.
Not Bin Laden-a pawn, t' was your leaders instead.

They planned it all, in the dark of the day.
When there were questions, that would not go away.

His Florida win, was exposed as a lie.
And public acclaim, it was starting to die.

So they acted on plans, from the P. N. A. C.
And sent planes to die, for the whole world to see.

In a ball of great flames, Americans died.
What hurt most of all, were the bombs set inside.

It was Cheney and Rove, who pulled all the strings.
They stayed deep in bunkers, and metered the stings.

The President sat, looking remote.
Reading a book, it was called "My Pet Goat".

He sat as he KNEW, the plan had been played.
The bombs they had set, would explode that same day.

But we were all told a lie, and the brave sent to die.
In the sands of Iraq, far away.

It was all wrong, now were told.
Bin Laden’s trail cold, now "It's for freedom" they say.

Our jobs sold away, the budget in shatters.
For oil far away, was that all that mattered?.

So remember Republicans, it's your party to take.
You are the ones, who can put on the brakes.

Take back your party!, leave me to mine.
There's a VOTE in 06!, AND IT"S A$$ KICKING TIME!!!!!!.

Just one more thing!
Thanks to everyone at DU...You are my daily muse & inspiration.
I truly believe the voices we have helped raise has stopped many of the evil plans of the PNAC. If it were not for ALL of you we'd be in Iran glassing over sand by now!


Edited with thanks to the people who helped!

"How could they rig the buildings beforehand??? Well Jeb Bush was put in charge of security a few months prior to 9/11." Wasn't it one of the other brothers, Marvin or what's-his-name? The ones you never hear anything about? Also, I believe the "hero plane" was flight 93, not flight 92, though Lord knows I can be wrong. Anyway, thanks for a great post.
:toast:

I do need whatever help I can get to assure accuracy. I have verified it was flight 93,my bad there.... I'm having trouble finding the info on the security company for the WTC,it's in my copy of "crossing the Rubicon" but I have yet to find it. Definitely one of the Bushco crime family though.Anyone?

Upper floors had their power removed for a time the weekend prior to the attack, supposedly for wiring changes.

I updated the post. Knew it was one of thos crazy kids!- Thanks!

on Salon's Tabletalk a while back that they worked in one of the towers. They had to work over the weekend and folks were warned that there would be intermittant power outages because they were updating internet cables.

as soon as one of the Mods sees it.

I hope it stays "above ground" too....
It made the front page so I'm just happy about that. Thank you!

wrong. are they that evil that they would go that far?

They've demonstrated that they have no problem killing innocent muslims,
innocent G.I.s, or letting American citizens die--so long as they're
black.

At some point you have to ask: How do you know they're NOT that evil?

If, as Mike Ruppert (and apparently now Chevron) is saying, the world is
running out of oil then it's possible for people who consider themselves
thoughtful and patriotic people to believe that the protection of
democracy requires that they seize control of the oil reserves, 60% of
which lie within an area the size of Kansas. Once these ends are
regarded as essential, the pragmatic means are a question for people of
poor moral character--and you get what we have today.

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It is unnecessary to show that the Bush admin was involved in this scheme to plant bombs when ignored warnings and even thwarted investigations show enough complicity.

The Planted bomb theory is FODDER for RWers to paint LWers as idiots.

Even if we spent the money to investigate, and found it true, it would be too much data for opponents to feel comfortable. So, it would be preaching to the chior, only, again. Big deal.

Worse, if we spent the money and they found nothing, Bush would appear exonerated, when he should not be.

It's a LOSE LOSE idea.

That I'll readily admit. Like Capone being jailed finally for Tax evasion-whatever gets the job done is fine by me.

But history(the truth as determined by facts) should be honored. The dead should be honored. I have seen more than enough to know the truth & all I can do is tell others.

Luckily,unlike Kennedy's assassination this crime scene was very well documented. Real time footage, eye witness events & the PHYSICS of the event all lead to an inevitable conclusion.

I highly recommend the skeptical do their own research & try to explain it for themselves. That is likely the only way some people can accept such information. The one caveat of advice I give is this. FAILURES ARE RANDOM. Absorb that for a moment,the perfect drop of the buildings is anything but random & therefore not a "failure" but a controlled event.

I refrain from talking about 9/11 till I know more about who I'm discussing it with. Many people cannot accept or even begin to believe such evil could be perpetrated by our own Government. But the evidence is overwhelming I believe & if it takes 10-15 years for the truth to become public knowledge, so be it.
Many of us would have never believed our government would smuggle cocaine into the USA & facilitate the Crack epidemic,but now we know that's exactly what happened.

The more you know, the better you can react....

I think Able Danger is the smoking gun to prove the misadministration was complicit. There's plenty of info about 9/11 being an inside job, but not enough about Able Danger to tie them to it.

Plus, Able Danger talk won't push us into the conspiracy corner.

At least not at this moment.

Just wanting to TELL people under these political conditions is little too close to political suicide. You don't even have a plan, a goal for getting investigation money. Just a bunch of speculation, speculation that makes us look dumb until it is investigated at great cost.

Here are the major points of the explosive hypothesis:

* The collapse looked like it was the result of explosions
* The collapse acted like it was the result of explosions
* The firefighters and police reported explosions and the official
theories of the collapse mechanism (the MIT "zipper-pancake" theory
and the NIST report) are contradictory and lack proof
* William Rodriguez reported explosions in the basement before the plane hit
* The reason they lack proof is because the steel that would have showed
what happened was destroyed in great haste

A BYU Professor of Physics after considering these points has recently
called for a new, international, investigation.

Here local cbs TV news treats him very respectfully:

http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_314234334.html

Professor Jones quite wisely steers away from the question of "who
dunnit" because it is inappropriate to link that question to the
question of whether explosives were used.

It's pretty easy to argue that al Qaeda put the explosives in the
towers and the Bushites are covering it up because it's embarrassing
to Marvin Bush's security company.

To surrender truth and logic to political pragmatism is to submit to
the dynamics of a dysfunctional codependent family in our democracy.

WTC went down in an expectable manner.

The outer shell consisting of vertical support poles kept the building in line as it fell.

The pancaking sounded like individual explosions.

The plane fuel exploding in elevator shafts, the popping of the beams, release of other building delivered flammables, popping electrical conduits, falling elevators, ... all would make explosion noises.

The heat necessary to melt metal was not needed. The friable asbestos covering easily blew off the beams. The heat only needed be enough to stretch the beam, thus popping the rivets, weakening and popping adjacent beams, resulting in a floor crash. The first might have been uneven, but the underneath floor would have held until the rest fell initiating a cascade failure, pancaking downward floor by floor and pancaking the above floors going upward in floor number, while the building as a whole dropped downward. The upper floors, not having the outer poles intact, slipped sideways, just as I saw it, the communications tower tilting slightly to one side. The rest, the majority of the structure going down between the poles. The pancaking creating a huge material laden blow outward would then, after the descent, blow the poles out. Then down to the next lower floor in between its poles.

The was no need to make the WTC fall. The sight of planes being used as a missile would remain etched on the publics memory.

If there was an explosion heard before the first plane hit, it could well have been something else. Buildings make noises. People also lose timing skills when under duress. Anyone not under duress that day would be only further suspect.

I'm not arguing that an even bigger subterfuge as described here might not have happened that day. I will argue that finding it out now, or talking about it now is counter productive. Counter to even finding these possible truths. Or, as I saw them called: inevitable truths.

That's the only thing you mentioned that I wasn't informed about. I figured the plane was shot down considering the circumstances around it (duh.), but I hadn't heard anything about the Canadian bit (which, truthfully, makes sense considering how far away US planes were supposed to be at the time).

I do remember the event & wish I had the foresight to tape it. It was during a flap between us & Canada about fly-over rights. I believe it was about 7 months ago....Once again, if anyone can help I'd be obliged.

BTW, I have nothing against shooting down flight 93 to save lives but then why did they generate the "hero" story?...Just another brick in the wall...

the anti aircraft missle defence systen at the Pentagon must have been shut off

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Dr. David Ray Griffin makes the point that the other three planes should
have been shot down before they hit their targets but flight 93
shouldn't have--because the passengers were assaulting the cockpit, the
FBI was in communication with the people who were getting phone calls
from the plane, and there was a professional pilot among the passengers.

If 93 was shot down, why the rush? They had more than ten minutes
to go before the plane was a threat to DC.

And the local TV station even covered it!

Nov 10, 2005 9:42 pm US/Mountain
BYU Forms New Theory About 9/11 Attacks


(KUTV) PROVO, Utah A BYU professor has developed a new theory about the terrorist attack in New York on September 11, 2001. He believes planes alone did not bring down the world trade center.

Both towers collapsed in place after the attacks, and later that day, 7 World Trade Center, which was never hit by a plane, fell in less than seven seconds.

BYU professor Steven E. Jones says that planes alone did not bring down the towers.

The images are seared into the minds of people across the globe. We saw the planes hit, the explosions and fire so hot, fortress towers could not stand. Jones says not so fast.

"They're sticking with this one hypothesis. Its almost like they have blinders on – and its got to be fires and damage,” says Jones.

<snip>

Rest of article here, as well as the news video clip: http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_314234334.html

Also see: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635160132,00.html

And this is his report: http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

btw, here's the DU thread on the paper:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x59149


I also want to ask DU'ers again to keep spreading the word and demanding media coverage of this issue. If a Mormon professor inside the reddest state in the Union will stick his neck out like this, then we as liberals are obligated to do twice as much! The issue is not Alito or Intellgent Design or even Iraq! 9-11 is what started all this and 9-11 is what will end it.

Summary, links here: http://www.oilempire.us/wargames.html

"paralysis of air defenses that ensured the success of the attacks? who coordinated these efforts?"

The case against Cheney: "WARGAMES AND HIGH TECH: PARALYZING THE SYSTEM TO PULL OFF THE ATTACKS" - (.pdf) http://www.newsociety.com/titleimages/rub_war.pdf (from "Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End
of the Age of Oil" by Michael C. Ruppert)

Tried to nominate, but the mods got here before me - oh well!

Hate how you can't recommend threads in this forum.

And for those who voted it up, thank you. Feel free to copy,plagarize-Whatever. The point is to get the truth to the public.
I'm no expert on this subject but I felt a good general synopsis was needed. The time is ripe America, people are more ready for the real truth than ever.