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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 12:22 AM
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A Bright And Shining Lie.....
...has anyone within this forum been able,in any way to duplicate a 110 story collapse within a building footprint? Surely the technology is available. Can any poster here show me a convincing model of "pancaking"? I've followed here for almost a year while posters argued free fall speeds and disintegrating concrete...I find the arguments of JaneDoe2 pretty convincing.If she is wrong,convince me...most recently I have seen videos of the failure of poor controlled demolition to take a tower down in the Dakotas....If buildings drop easily, please prove it....
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 01:54 PM
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1. They can't! But they'll spend hours and hours arguing the case anyway.
Edited on Tue Dec-06-05 01:57 PM by spooked911
You would think they would get bored of coming here, yet they don't seem to mind endlessly rebutting the idea that only controlled demolition could have brought down the towers.

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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 04:18 PM
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2. This place has a high entertainment quotient...
it never gets boring!
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 04:32 PM
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3. Can you convincingly answer a couple of questions?
Edited on Tue Dec-06-05 04:32 PM by hack89
1. How much did the portions of the WTCs above the impact zone weigh?

2.In what direction does gravity work?

3. What horizontal forces were acting on the portions of the WTC that were falling? What was their magnitude compared to the force of gravity?

4. Do you think that the top of the towers could tilt 200 feet sideways without the entire structure falling apart?

The answers to these questions is the answer to how the WTC towers fell within their footprints.

JaneDoe huh? Our resident self professed materials professor who never uses math (the language of engineering and science) to explain her theories?

So the failure of one demolition proves the successful demolition of the WTC? I can certainly see the logic in that! :eyes:
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 04:53 PM
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4. not quite in foot prints
the WTC did do damage to building around it, the WFC wintergarden to give one example. so the WTC collapses werent QUITE in their own footprints.

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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 05:04 PM
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5. True ...
but I think the CT argument (and I could be wrong - there are so many of them) is that the towers would have toppled over with significant horizontal motion and with the debris oriented in one direction.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 10:55 PM
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6. What similarities does the Iran plane hitting building today have to WTC?
I think the building didn't fall?
anyone got pictures?
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 11:02 PM
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7. pics available
there doesnt seem to be any good pics available, not a surprise considering the dicatorial/repressive regime in iran
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