So, why was Mohammed Atta on Abramoff's Casino Boat?

We Muslims don't gamble, and I'm a Liberal Muslim, so what was Mohammed Atta doing on one?

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2005/08/was-abramoff-linked-to-terrorists.html

rub the lamp and he appears. His magic passport survived 2000F plus in the WTC! The guy is still alive and what was he doing on Abi's casino boat only 'God' knows?

linked to 911?

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/index.jsp?section=static&page=islamists

passport that was found. I believe it was a different so-call hijacker.


However it was supposedly Atta on Abramoff's boat, and his father has popped up in even stanger places.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,669961,00.html

"CBS News reported, meanwhile, that a passport belonging to one of the hijackers, Satam al-Sugami, was found on the street minutes after the plane he was aboard crashed into the north tower of the World Trade Center and before the New York landmark collapsed"

And that's just the way they want it...

Another question: if Atta et al were fakes--never on the planes at all, or innocent victims of Bushco's 9/11 plot, why did Bushco choose 19 non-Iraqi Arabs to use as scapegoats? Wouldn't the case for war in Iraq have been much more convincing if the made-up "hijackers" were Iraqi?

a while back that there was a middle eastern man who was a college student in California and his ID and social security card and all types of records got stolen from him and he told the government but never got it back.

necessary to implement a pre-emptive war policy. 9/11 provided that capital.

Besides it's obvious Bushco didn't have many connections inside Iraq. But they did have plenty of connections to the Bin Laden family, the Saudis and the Mujahideen (the fore-runners of al-Qaeda in Afghanistan).

Bastards.

not getting into tinfoil stuff but I know many experienced pilots and they say the same thing HOW did rookie pilots fly the plane of that type into the towers?

it was Satan Suqami's passport that was found, not Atta's.

I suppose, just like faux Christians, there are plenty of faux Muslims to go around and do the dirty deeds that those in command will not do themselves.

Has anyone checked to see if the families of those hijackers are now financially well off, or perhaps any institutions the hijackers favored have experienced the benefit of a large contribution of cash, origin unknown?

...how big of a company SunCruz was. If it's a large casino boat operator, then chances are that there's no connection. Anyway, I can hardly imagine any sort of illicit goings on would be conducted in a place where these guys would stick out like sore thumbs. Ah, it's probably all rubbish anyway.

there was another gambling ship across the pass (literally walking distance), that was actually higher quality, more tables, and better IMHO.. (I used to go gambling on both of them often when I was younger.)

on edit- something like 7 boats total in Florida.. And there is direct competition in every pass, and harbor they sail from.. Sometimes more than that..

when you know that you are going to die in a few days. :shrug:

If they were out to have a "good time" the last place they would want to go is that boat. The boat primarily catered to seniors, not people out to have a good time. The only reason I ever went on it was because I could go for free.. I worked at Gators which is right beside Sun Cruz on the pass.. They had a common parking lot, and they gave passes to anyone that worked at Gators.. Otherwise I never would have stepped foot on the boat. You can stand on the pass bridge, and see the passengers from both boats. The other boat (it has changed hands on several occasions) catered to a younger crowd, it had really loud bands, and it had dancing and drinking games, and special discounts for newlyweds, and college students.

Many Muslims, middle easterners, Indians, Cubans, lots of dark skinned people. They would not have stuck out like sore thumbs - not at all. Florida, as far as the faces go, looks a lot like NYC.

Atta & the others trained at a Florida flight school. If SunCruz was a big casino, that's probably the one they'd choose. It's an odd coincidence, but I'm starting to think Abramoff is a little like Kevin Bacon - he's only 6 degrees of connection away from almost everything.

and one in SC according to their website http://www.suncruzcasino.com/ I don't know how many casinos are in Florida though.

there was a definate reason he was on that boat.

that takes a particular kind of devotion that is extremely hard for most western minds to comprehend.

...and while maybe some leeway would be provided to the "soldiers" (muscle guys) I dont think it fits that the leader would be out committing the worst of sins. It also makes no sense for the follow ons, these kinds of actions would tarnish the representations of their martyrdom afterwards.

Anyway you cut it, no one really knows and both sides of this particular question really have nothing but assumptions and or coincidence to go on.

Though for me there comes a point when you have to add up the amount of coincidences and their individual contexts and call it as you see it, and the way I see it is that something is dead rotten fishy about the whole thing.

for instance, they tell a candidate to sit in a room at a table. They then leave said candidate in the room for some time and secretly check to see if person moves.

If person literally just sits there at the table... he's okay. If he gets up to look around etc. he is not.

To my post that is....

Sorry just confused.

Playing shuffleboard?

FROM MY FILES..


http://www.sptimes.com/News/092701/news_pf/TampaBay/Hij ...
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>JOHNS PASS TREASURE ISLAND WEST COAST FLA..NEAR ST PETE..
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>Why were Atta and 9/11 muslim hijackers on Abramoff's casino
>boat?
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>St. Petersburgh Times
>St. Petersburg Times, published September 27, 2001
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>TREASURE ISLAND -- Employees on a SunCruz gambling ship that
>sails from John's Pass think some of the hijackers in the
>Sept. 11 terrorist attacks were gambling on the ship the week
>before the attacks.
>TREASURE ISLAND -- Employees on a SunCruz gambling ship that
>sails from John's Pass think some of the hijackers in the
>Sept. 11 terrorist attacks were gambling on the ship the week
>before the attacks.
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>The FBI is investigating. SunCruz Casinos has turned over
>security videotapes and documents to FBI investigators.
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>Two or three men linked to the hijackings may have been
>customers on the SunCruz ship that is based at John's Pass,
>said Michael Hlavsa, chairman of the gambling cruise company.
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>...
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>The cruise line also is giving the FBI a videotape from a Port
>Canaveral ship of a former customer that a casino manager
>thinks resembles one of the terrorists.
>
>
>fly

I'm pretty sure the administration won't want the FBI investigating that?

Unfortunately there is a problem with the URL. Can you reprint the correct one please?

That gives him license to party up his last time on earth.

it makes sense to contain the number of players. But, as time goes by, stuff comes out. Will cheating Native Americans be the trigger on it all?

Grover - partner with Middle Easterners who are being investigated for funding terrorists. Long time friend of Jack.

All of WH and Cabinet plus key positions are burped up players from Nixon Reagan and the Bush dynaty combined with PNAC supported by the Fed Society, Councils, think tanks, and a variety of acronym associations, and barons. Add the Israeli's, British, Italians, Russians, and an entire field of players in Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and the Indian Subcontinent. Not so small, after all.

Seems some politicians like poppies, but despise coca plant growers. Whoda thought?

What a crazy world they have all brought us.

Doesn't it seem like we get in their way - clinging to progress made and trying to preserve it and improve on it while they are in full throttle to create their own reality while trying to send us back decades and centuries so that can be controlled?

is just a very small piece of the key for a much larger puzzle with this whole thing. I think it'll expose everything with the Bush people. Who knows, maybe even something(s) from when he was governor. All you have to do is follow the money and link it all together. Everything ties together and leads back to the same person: Bush. I believe the Indian tribe thing is just a way to make lots of money and quickly. In another article Abramoff is quoted saying he became a Bush Pioneer really quickly and easily because he had outside DC influence: I think it's the Indian tribes that helped him become rich and make connections to other gamblers and everything with SunCruz.

what culpability.

I think the Tribes spokespeople and/or whistleblowers should speak out to the maximum of their ability given the lawsuits that must be flying. They must stand strong for them and for all of us. Or it will be -

Indians bad.
White man good.

Just as it is -

Non-radical evangelicals bad.
White man good.

Shades of colors bad
White man good.

Indian money being distributed to the 9/11 terrorists from Abramoff via the SunCruz boat?
Just asking, since there's no other earthly reason for a Muslim to be in a den of inequity other than to collect a paycheck, IMO.

Bruce

The biggest one being hijacking planes and killing innocent people, right? (I'm not a Muslim and don't pretend to be any authority, so if I'm wrong, please let me know - I just have always thought of Islam as a very peaceful religion)

that serious Muslims don't believe in killing innocent people: especially women and children.

As a matter of fact, in my area there was quite a bit of public and private outrage in the Muslim community about these attacks. It was at that point that I tried to learn a little bit more about the religion myself and could easily see how the hijackers' actions were not in accordance with Islam at all.

it's all about money and politics.

We know that there were war gammes going on that day. Part of the games dealt with hijacking scenarios. Since there were significant number of victims from Raytheon RC division....one has to wonder if they were doing "Live-Fly" exercises? A scenario where simulated hi-jackings occur and then the military takes control away from the pilots/hi-jackers. Some of the AA/UA pilots actually had military backgrounds or were Reservists...I think the 77 pilot Burlingame even did some planning associated with the hijacking part of the Exercise. What if Atta thought this was the assignment? Atta sems to have a mercernary, undercover-ops type of background...maybe hustling both sides.

Here's my $64,000 question:

Were 93, 175, 77, and 11 part of the military war games that day? Why don't we know the answer to this question?

If all 4 were part of the simulation....

What are the odds that Al-Qaeda/bin Laden would not only plan their deed for the same day of the largest annual US military execise (1 in 365), but also pick 4 planes involved with the exercise (1 in ?????)? Would seem to be extremely bad luck for AQ to pick all 4 aircraft that were part of a military exercise to test anti-terrorist hi-jacking tactics. In spite of that handicap, they still managed to pull off the hi-jackings on all 4 aircraft. Amazing.

Or, did/do we have moles in our goverment leaking the details to AQ?

Maybe, between lines of coke and belly shots, Atta's handler tells him, "hey, have we got a job for you. We need you and your buddies to play hijackers....this will be add realism to the exercise."

I assuming he thought it was o'key if it helped him to achieve his goal in the end.

www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/8/16/233950/633

Abramoff's job was to spread the word about Islamic banking practices and to refute claims that Islamic banks sheltered money used for terrorist networks. And if anyone needed a good PR man, it was the chairman of the General Council for Islamic Banks, a Saudi businessman named Saleh Abdullah Kamel estimated to be worth in the neighborhood of $ 2.6 billion, who was quickly the subject of intense government scrutiny over his possible ties to terrorist activity.

You see, Kamel is also the chairman of Dallah al Baraka Group (DBG), which is suspected of having ties to al Qaeda and other extremist groups, and he was also the co-founder and large shareholder of Al Shamal Bank in Sudan, Osama bin Laden's bank of choice from 1983 onward. He was listed as being one of the seven "main individual sponsors of terrorism" in this report by French researcher Jean-Charles Brisard submitted to the UN Security Council in December 2002. (You might remember that Omar al-Bayoumi, who befriended and provided money to two of the 9/11 hijackers, was once an assistant to the Director of Finance for Dallah Avco, a DBG company that works with the Saudi aviation authority. And the WSJ has reported that the United States believes the Dallah al-Baraka Bank, another DBG company, was also used by al-Qaeda.)

some Catholic group. I can't remember the name now but it's quite strange for a Jew. :shrug: Has anyone looked to see if Abramoff had ties to the Carlyle group? They had ties to the BinLadin family as well with dealings. If you haven't go to http://www.informationclearinghouse.info and watch the film "Exposed: the Carlyle Group."

Takfiris are violent, Salafist extremists from Egypt. Ahmed Rabei was a prominent follower. Takfiris are not bound by the usual religious constraints such as wearing a beard, drinking alcohol, or eating pork when such restrictions would interfere with waging effective jihad. To Takfiris, strict adherence to those laws precludes necessary covert action in defense of Islam. Because Takfiris "blend in," they can organize, plan, and take action necessitated by the overriding duty of Jihad with less risk of identification, interference, or interception.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfiri

al-Takfir wal-Hijra
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfir_wal-Hijra
http://www.rotten.com/library/history/terrorist-organizations/al-takfir-wal-hijra/

terrorist guys in Florida frequented the local bars. I don't know the answer. Maybe they decided to see how much fun they could have before suiciding.

followers respect the rules. I have known many a Mormon who drank coffee and alcohol, and smoked. I have known Muslims who drank and gambled too when no one was looking. Most Catholics use birth control as well after conceiving a rhythm baby.

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would open up what Sen. Fulbright once famously called, referring to the Bay of Pigs/JFK assassination, “An endless can of worms.”

In the article Joseph Cannon asks, "Was Mohammed Atta involved in drugs or money laundering?" This also is a question that should not be discussed in polite company.

www.madcowprod.com/06202005.html

ain't that so?

Nothing to see here but the ravings of nutty tinfoilers; please move along and get back to some campaign finance reform--that's the tweak we need to make government work for the little guy. LOL!

And this was back from 1999 to 2002. In fact, I lived in Boca, about a 10 min drive to the apartment complex Atta stayed in (Other hijackers stayed in Hollywood Beach). Anyways, I recall reading local press reports on these guys, they partied REALLY hard in the weeks leading up to September 11th, so its possible they just went to have drinks and gamble a little. As for the "Muslims don't gamble", that's like saying "Catholics don't have premarital sex or get divorced."

These guys were supposed to devout, right?

It's what separates us from the freepers. :)

To you frickin' tinfoilers.

really

I hope this does not get kicked into the 9/11 dungeon, or if it does, you will continue to follow it.

The basic idea is this: what you think 9/11 was about is not what it was about. We don't know exactly what it was about, but what you were told by the 9/11 Commission and the MSM is distinctly not it.

Devout Muslim fanatics Mohammed Atta and crew were heavy partiers. Atta had a live in lingerie model (read stripper) girlfriend. They liked to go to strip clubs a lot, although allegedly they were not great tippers until just before 9/11 when they dropped many hundreds of $$$.

According to the authoritative 9/11 Timeline, when the crew was in Boston just before 9/11, one of the last things they did was solicit prostitutes, although haggling proved a problem. I guess they couldn't wait for the 19 black eyed virgins they were about to receive in heaven.

This was the company they kept, after all. The "flight schools" they attended were owned by Dutch nationals -- who seem to have been involved in both free lance and CIA drug trafficing. Their amazing capacity to get Arab flight students into gulf coast Florida has caused some researchers to call them the "Magic Dutch Boys."

Who knows? Maybe if they had a problem they could call one of the local Congressman -- who happened to be Porter Goss, the same guy who was having breakfast with Mohammed Atta's Pakistani ISI paymaster the morning of 9/11 and who was thereafter promoted to head of the CIA.

So where does Abramoff fit in? It has been hypothesized that the extremely unregulated offshore gambling industry in gulf coast Florida was a perfect mechanism for money laundering.

All of this is so utterly bizarre, that to just collate some of the facts about them available in the MSM makes one sound like a stark raving lunatic.

PS -- Did I mention the amazing Israeli art students?

that the neocons are Cold War dinosaurs.

They probably never realised that within a few years millions of bloggers would be collating information from all over the world and analysing their every move...

but also correctly foresaw two phenomena: One, that most of the US is purely tuned into the MSM, and if it is not on CNN or Fox, it doesn't exist, no matter how many bloggers and researchers uncover the lies and make them public; and Two that most people, confronted with the possibility of how monstrous 9/11 may be, would simply psychologically shut down, in pure cognitive dissonance and hide behind pejoratives like "conspiracy theory" -- signifying "End of thought. Does not compute."

It's been after the 2000 election that political blogs have taken off. I think the Republican Syndicate did most of their major thuggary when they had pretty tight control of the information pipeline. The loner or 2 investigative reporters could be dealt with easy enough....but how can you contain the flow of information in this medium? They are only coming to realize what a big mistake it was allowing the internet to get away from them.

Al Gore's revenge, LOL.

Do all Muslims live up to the laws of the religion. Are you saying that none ever sin?

is it logical that Muslims who are willing to die and kill thousands of Americans because they hate the decadence of the West and are supposedly fanatically religious would do booze, coke, gamble and have non-marital sex with whores and strippers?

If that were the only anomalie, I could dismiss it. Maybe Atta was not a follower in the ideological sense of Osama bin Laden -- and we all know that OBL stood for the most stringent and puritanical form of Islam -- but merely a paid operative.

But if you look at all the anomalies, the official story just doesn't make sense. In other words, the problem of booze-addled, coke snorting, lap dance loving Islamic fanatics takes on added significancein combination with other anomalies, like these:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x80784

I have heard that they had been told that the sacrifice they were about to make was so great that it would cancel out any sins so they could enjoy the flesh all they wanted to.

It is really the big picture, not that these guys might have sinned and then asked for forgiveness. It's that their entire mode of operation is bizarre and inconsistent with the official conspiracy theory.

Here is what the authoritative 9/11 Timeline has to say about the last days of "Islamic fanatic" Mohammed Atta and his crew:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&al-qaeda_members=otherHijackers

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Before September 11, 2001: Hijackers Drink, Watch Strip Shows on Eve of Attacks

A number of the hijackers apparently drink alcohol heavily in bars and watch strip shows. On September 10, three of them spend $200 to $300 apiece on lap dances and drinks in the Pink Pony, a Daytona Beach, Florida strip club. While the hijackers had left Florida by this time, Mohamed Atta is reported to have visited the same strip club, and these men appear to have had foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks. Marwan Alshehhi and Mohamed Atta are seen entering the Hollywood, Florida, sports bar Shuckums already drunk. They proceed to drink even more hard alcohol there . Atta and Alshehhi are seen at Sunrise 251, a bar in Palm Beach, Florida. They spend $1,000 in 45 minutes on Krug and Perrier-Jouet champagne. Atta is with a tall busty brunette in her late twenties; Alshehhi is with a shortish blonde. Both women are known locally as regular companions of high-rollers. A stripper at the Olympic Garden Topless Cabaret in Las Vegas, Nevada, recalls Marwan Alshehhi being “cheap,” paying only $20 for a lap dance. Several hijackers reportedly patronize the Nardone's Go-Go Bar in Elizabeth, New Jersey. They are even seen there on the weekend before 9/11. Majed Moqed visits a porn shop and rents a porn video. The mayor of Paterson, New Jersey, says of the six hijackers who stayed there: “Nobody ever saw them at mosques, but they liked the go-go clubs.” Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar often frequented Cheetah's, a nude bar in San Diego. Hamza Alghamdi watched a porn video on September 10. University of Florida religion professor Richard Foltz states, “It is incomprehensible that a person could drink and go to a strip bar one night, then kill themselves the next day in the name of Islam ... People who would kill themselves for their faith would come from very strict Islamic ideology. Something here does not add up.”

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Is this behavior at all compatible with the (in)famous Mohammed Atta suicide note?

And there are tons more information about these and other aspects of 9/11 readily available from mainstream sources that contradict the official story.

And too weird for words.

on this gambling boat? If so, please post so I can include this evidence on my 9/11 'Smoking Guns' page. Seems like this report came from MadCow.