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bronco2121 Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 11:53 PM
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flight 77's tail section
of the people who side on 'it was a 757' that hit the pentagon, i'm interested to know what you think happened with the tail section of the plane... there are impact impressions high and to the right of the main impact zone, and some suggest the tail section sort of detached and sailed over the roof line where it landed some rings back.

b.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:03 AM
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1. Well, it should be in the record and I would like to see the tail section.
I think it could be this photo of the tail section going over the roof


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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 12:01 PM
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15. I have a picture of the devil's face in the WTC smoke
Edited on Fri Jan-20-06 12:02 PM by LARED
Only slightly less goofy than the notion you have an outline of Globalhawk in the smoke



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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 01:34 AM
Response to Reply #15
18. Fanged Devil Demon Puking Flames-Flight 175 Explodes And Detonates Floors
Not to be outdone by LARED's sensationalism.



Here is some logic and evidence supporting the theory that a bomb on flight 175 initiated high explosives built into the tower floors.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11flight175explosion.html
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 01:15 PM
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20. Logic and evidence that the world is flat


It looks flat to me. Based on how images seem to be interpreted in this forum it is nearly proof positive the earth is flat.
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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 06:41 PM
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21. Proof 3k Murdered Americans Not Worth Truth - 1 PIC =1000 Words
Edited on Sat Jan-21-06 06:43 PM by Christophera
Some folk don't value the truth even after great loss caused by its absence. Here is a PIC in a post that proves that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=66827&mesg_id=67446


Here is a PIC that can only have one interpretation within reasonable knowledge of structural materials and the component structures made from them, as to its composition or decomposition and appearance. The concrete core of WTC 2.




wassamatta? No like info? Huh? Oh, ........ too bad. Try harder to make it go away, ridicule isn't working.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 06:58 PM
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22. Hardy 1 PIC =1000 Words; More like 1 Picture = 1,000,000 words
And they all seem to be the same. Over, and over, and over, and over about a concrete core that only you see. You must have posted that picture at least 1000 times by now. How many see a concrete core in it? How many have you convinced? Two? Four maybe?

But don't let me stop you. I have no delusions that anything I say will stop you from posting, and posting, and posting, and posting the same image.
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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 02:38 AM
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25. & Nothing You Say Will Bring You Evidence Of The Core You Assert Stood
Edited on Sun Jan-22-06 02:40 AM by Christophera
but, ................ I have redundant evidence of other aspects of the core I assert stood which is confirmed by photos.

If it had a concrete core, then rebar might be seen, and here it is.



The fact is, that NOTHING in the core you assert stood can have the appearance of what we see. Those vertical elements are just to small to be structural steel.

How we prove that is by showing some of the largest of the structural steel of the building, the interior box columns that ringed the core.



the 2 above photos are in the same series and the upper one just follows the lower. The upper shows the rebar of the steel reinforced concrete shearwall AFTER the strcutural steel has fallen away.
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killtown Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 08:59 PM
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2. I've never received a good answer about the tail
from all the CDT's (coincidence theorists). Hope you have better luck than I did!

Is the gov't closer to releasing those pentagon tapes yet Bronco?

Peace out,
kill
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bronco2121 Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 09:32 PM
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12. 84 tapes
yup! it's only a matter of a little more time. in a couple weeks or so - maybe a month, we'll file a new lawsuit to cause them to answer why they won't release the other tapes. when we get those tapes, that will be a banner day, won't it?

b!
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killtown Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 07:23 PM
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23. I can't wait!
Thanks again for your effort to get these tapes!

:toast:
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MrSammo1 Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 04:47 AM
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3. Jet's don't
explode like that.

The five framed neocon folly is nothing more than a deception.
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 09:02 AM
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4. who says
jets dont explode like that? of course they do. when loaded with fuel slamming into an immovable object. or go check out some specatular crashes where the plane explodes upon impact.

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Kevin Fenton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 09:11 AM
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5. If the photos aren't faked...
Then why is the Pentagon's facade dark in the plane photo, light in impact 1 and then dark again in the other impact photos? The explosion should cause the facade to light up, but why does it go dark again right away?
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MrSammo1 Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 04:55 PM
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7. not to mention
the "outlined" shadows.

The sheeple will buy whatever lie they're told.

Hook, line, and photoshop!



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MrSammo1 Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 04:51 PM
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6. Jet fuel doesn't burn white hot.
Common sense.

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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 08:06 PM
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11. Maybe it wasn't "white hot".
Ever hear of an aperature setting?



This singer is not white hot (sorry, Steve) nor is he an albino. His apparent coloring is due to the aperature setting on my camera at the time I took the shot. Thus, the aperature setting caused the photographic recording to show a different color than would have been seen with the naked eye.

Do you know what the aperature setting on the camera at the Pentagon was set at?
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MrSammo1 Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 03:43 AM
Response to Reply #11
14. You can't compare
your photo with a surveillance camera at the Pentagon. Taken outdoors no less.

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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 08:01 PM
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17. Of course you can. Light is light.
Talk to ANY photographer about how easily the color the eye sees can change when taking a photograph or video.
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killtown Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 03:25 AM
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8. Why didn't the explosion seen on the security video
scorch the lawn? The fireball is clearly seen on the security clips erupting back onto the lawn.

And why won't you defend snopes.com, your favorite Pentagon debunking attempt site?
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MrSammo1 Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 04:55 PM
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9. scorch the lawn?
They used a new genetically modified grass seed.

It's fire proof!


==============================================================
Sheeple Science Lesson # 5
Jet fuel can melt steel and vaporize aluminum, but will not burn a hijacker's
passport, Pentagon lawn grass or wooden stool! (but only on 9/11/01)
==============================================================
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killtown Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 06:56 PM
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10. Penta-Lawn 2000! baby! LoL
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MrSammo1 Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 03:35 AM
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13. By the way.......
Have you ever seen the video of the Pentagon deception? I think it was called "Miracle at the Pentagon?" I could be wrong about the title. I saw it a couple of time on the PBS stations here in the NY area. It clearly shows that the fire ball that some people claim they saw was nothing but a gas line a good 30 feet from the building that they set on fire.




===============================================================
Cognitive dissonance is a psychological phenomenon which refers to the discomfort felt at a
discrepancy between what you already know or believe, and new information or interpretation.
This is the reason the people of America won’t see what is staring them in the face. They’re
simply too stupid to admit they’ve been duped, even though their survival depends on it.
===============================================================
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killtown Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 03:32 PM
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16. I believe that fireball is from a tree on fire
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MrSammo1 Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 03:42 AM
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19.  I believe that fireball is from a tree on fire
If you get a copy of the video that I mentioned you will clearly see that the fireball is from a gas line.

Get a copy if you can and slow it down.
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killtown Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 07:23 PM
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24. do you have a link to that video?
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Kevin Fenton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 02:04 PM
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26. Good tree stump
I notice it's cut off at the height the plane's wing hit it, according to the official version, that is. What a coincidence!
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killtown Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 05:37 PM
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27. Not sure I follow
What are you getting at?
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Kevin Fenton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:51 AM
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28. Tree stump
The tree stump seen here

appears to have been cut off by the (left) wing at a point above the cable spools. Therefore, it is not unusual that the wing did not knock the cable spools over, right?
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killtown Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:22 PM
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30. Couldn't have been the wing
only could have been the engine, but that wouldn't explain what the tree is still doing there on fire unless you disagree the huge fire is a tree on fire.

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Kevin Fenton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:08 PM
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31. Hmm...
Looking at your other diagrams, it would probably have been the other (right) wing (or perhaps even the fuselage), not the left wing - the tree is closer to the facade than I originally noticed. I can't actually see much of a tree there, so I'm going to say it's not a tree - another poster seems to think it's a gas line.

Who actually took this photo? At what time - it should be really early?
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:30 AM
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29. The tree stump looks about as tall as a large cable spool
I'm pretty sure the wings of a large passenger jet are not that low to the ground.

But the tree stump looks as though the rest of the tree was ripped off (during the crash presumably) - not so much as though it burned to a cinder after the crash.
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killtown Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 07:39 PM
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32. Never seen a plane crash where tail section wasn't visible
afterwards except on 9/11 where it happened FOUR times!!!
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