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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 05:51 AM
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Finding a Place for 9/11 in American History
Finding a Place for 9/11 in American History

By JOSEPH J. ELLIS
Published: January 28, 2006
New York Times

IN recent weeks, President Bush and his administration have mounted a spirited defense of his Iraq policy, the Patriot Act and, especially, a program to wiretap civilians, often reaching back into American history for precedents to justify these actions. It is clear that the president believes that he is acting to protect the security of the American people. It is equally clear that both his belief and the executive authority he claims to justify its use derive from the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

A myriad of contested questions are obviously at issue here — foreign policy questions about the danger posed by Iraq, constitutional questions about the proper limits on executive authority, even political questions about the president's motives in attacking Iraq. But all of those debates are playing out under the shadow of Sept. 11 and the tremendous changes that it prompted in both foreign and domestic policy.

Whether or not we can regard Sept. 11 as history, I would like to raise two historical questions about the terrorist attacks of that horrific day. My goal is not to offer definitive answers but rather to invite a serious debate about whether Sept. 11 deserves the historical significance it has achieved.

My first question: where does Sept. 11 rank in the grand sweep of American history as a threat to national security? By my calculations it does not make the top tier of the list, which requires the threat to pose a serious challenge to the survival of the American republic.

Here is my version of the top tier: the War for Independence, where defeat meant no United States of America; the War of 1812, when the national capital was burned to the ground; the Civil War, which threatened the survival of the Union; World War II, which represented a totalitarian threat to democracy and capitalism; the cold war, most specifically the Cuban missile crisis of 1962, which made nuclear annihilation a distinct possibility.

Sept. 11 does not rise to that level of threat because, while it places lives and lifestyles at risk, it does not threaten the survival of the American republic, even though the terrorists would like us to believe so.

More: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/28/opinion/28ellis.html?_r=1&th&emc=th
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 07:51 AM
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1. IMHO 9/11 is the day that history
will mark as the first day Americans fully understood we are in a war between civilizations and the precursor to WWIII.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:30 AM
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5. between civilizations?????
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 10:36 AM
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2. too early to know
It seems way too early to have this discussion. Just over four years have passed by. The ranking of September 11 cannot be known until we see what has happened throughout the world "because" of it.

Actually having the truth come out about what happened that day -- and who in the US was involved -- would also affect the ranking.



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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:45 PM
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3. One of the nastier US intel jobs.
Up there with the JFK and RFK assassinations and the Mossadeq and Allende coups.
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MakeItSo Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 06:04 PM
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4. "Up there" with the JFK killing?? Way, way beyond that
Edited on Sat Jan-28-06 06:05 PM by MakeItSo
9-11 far surpasses any single false flag operation in US history. Certainly the government has been complicit and/or aware of other events leading up to war, but these were REAL wars. The Liberty incident that led to the Vietnam war, for example, led to a war in a specific country with a specific objective in mind. The false flag 9-11 operation led to the so-called "war against terror," which is a virtual Rorschach test. You can take the words "war on terror" to mean anything you want to. It's open-ended and potentially never ending.

9-11 is more akin to the Reich tag fire set by the Nazis in Germany than anything ever performed here in the US.

Fortunately, US patriots today have something called the Internet.

The truth is the enemy of people behind 9-11. But it's free and widely available on the Web. Hence the next false flag, if God forbid there is one, will be immediately suspect and impossible to conceal. That's because the traitors behind 9-11 are in the minority even within the CIA, NSA, and US military. Real patriots vastly outnumber these traitors within the US government, and if they try to pull anything akin to 9-11 ever again they will immediately be identified, prosecuted, and convicted for their crimes against humanity.

And even if they don't, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that they will be brought to justice for what they've already done to the world, to their own country, to peace, and to the future, with 9-11.

What a tangled web we weave, when at first we practice to deceive. Especially when there is the free, global flow of information.

And no, they aren't going to be able to shut that down, no matter what. The geeks behind web innovation are waaaay smarter than any of the fascists or their minions who would try to stop it.
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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 08:03 PM
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6. The Sting At The End Of Con-Last Fleecing-Confusion, Apathy, Media Takeove
r.

The cold war, Iran Contra, the savings and loan ripoff, BCCI, the gulf war, enron = the parasite setting up and sucking the fat.

9-11, the beginning of the end of the host.


History will emphasize Americans indulging in television, media consumerism and neglecting or ignoring the sharing of their human values for 30 years in their cultures, what was left of them after colonization and distillation of European cultures on this land.
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