The Ground Zero Grassy Knoll

New York Magazine covers the 9/11 truth movement. It's a really long article.

http://www.newyorkmetro.com/news/features/16464/index.html

Saying he was in New York “to debunk the outrageous myth . . . the absurd fairy tale” that the tragic events of September 11, 2001, were the work of nineteen fanatics with box cutters sent by a bearded man in a cave, the 60-year-old Tarpley projected a slide designated “State-Sponsored False Flag Terrorism,” depicting a Venn diagram of three interconnected circles.

Circle one was labeled patsies, comprising “dupes,” “useful idiots,” “fanatics,” “provocateurs,” and “Oswalds.” Included here were the demonized bin Laden and alleged lead hijacker Mohammad Atta. The second ring, marked MOLES, contained “government officials loyal to the invisible government,” such as Paul Wolfowitz, Tony Blair, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, and, of course, George W. Bush. The third circle, PROFESSIONAL KILLERS, encompassed “technicians,” “CIA special forces,” “old boys”—the unnamed ones who did the dirty work and kept their mouths shut.

September 11 was the true face of corporatized terror, said Tarpley, graduate of Flushing High School, class of 1962 (also Princeton), and author of an “unauthorized” biography of George Herbert Walker Bush. The book paints the Bush-family patriarch, Senator Prescott Bush, as knowingly profiting from Hitler’s Third Reich in his role as a director of the Union Banking Corporation, where, Tarpley’s book says, the Nazis kept their money.

According to Tarpley, this, roughly, is how it went down on September 11: Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the Pet Goat–engrossed president played their assigned roles enabling the strange events of the day, including the wholesale “stand-down” of the multi-trillion-dollar American air-defense system. Cued by fellow mole Richard Clarke, the main players made sure the CIA-owned-and-operated Osama and his alleged 72-virgin-craving crew got the blame, the towers collapsing not from fire, as reported by the brainwashed mainstream media, but thanks to a well-planned “controlled demolition.”

public perception...all part of the plan... :silly:

for all the things that have been either omitted or coverd up in the 9/11 Commission Report.

See "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions And Distortions"
by David Ray Griffin http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1566565847/qid=1142873623/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/002-1035603-0796811?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

Among the problems Griffin says the commissioners fail to address are discrepancies in the hijackers' identities; the behavior exhibited by President Bush and his Secret Service contingent in Florida; and the charges of obstruction by higher-ups made by FBI agent Coleen Rowley and other mid-level officials. In fact, "revisionism" was the Commission's major goal, argues the author, since the report reconstructs the timelines of the hijackings, officials' teleconferences and the plane crashes to absolve the military of mishandling jet fighters' intercepts of the doomed passenger aircraft. Supported by news media reports, government documents and readily available secondary sources, Griffin's research raises valid questions about the Commission's political aims and investigative methods.

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The above merely scratches the surface of the obvious whitewash of the 9/11 Commission.

of the CIA Bin Laden Fan Club, Chairman, Anonymous;



But I doubt it...

In a very bad place.

But such a small amount is needed, that they could get it from a beach in Kennebunkport instead.

for getting the truth of 9/11!

The wildest conspiracy theory of 9/11 is the "official" story that leaves unexplained most of what happened that day.

911 truth. Now.

If it is a "loony left" idea to actually investigate the events of 9/11, then by the gods, let it be loony left! The idea that anyone trying to get to the truth of 9/11 is castigated as "crazy" or "goofy" is absurd. 9/11 is the worse criminal event perpetrated upon citizens in our nation's history and not only is it not investigated, but anyone suggesting that BE investigated is ridiculed - unbelievable...

They're throwing a red-herring into the mix that will degrade their main point when it's proven false.

Whowever did '9-11' intended to throw terror into the American public by making a big boom on US soil. Crashing aircraft into towers was plenty. Having them fall down was a bonus. Having them fall badly and affect adjoining buildings would have been better(at least to them) (wouldn't have happened - gravity sucks). 'controlled demolition' is completely unnecessary to MIHOP or LIHOP. Why muddy the waters?

There were several fires in 7, but it was not "on fire" as some would have it. It had possibly sustained some damage from debris from the collapse of the towers, but not very extensive and the damage would be asymmetrical. Late in the afternoon it just fell in on itself in perfect symmetry.
The FEMA report concludes they don't know why 7 collapsed. The NIST report and the 9-11 Commission Report ignore WTC7. The collapse of 7 has very rarely been shown in the MSM.

photos:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/wtc7.html

video footage:
http://www.wtc7.net/videos.html

Larry Silverstein, the owner of the WTC complex, admitted on a September 2002 PBS documentary, 'America Rebuilds' that he and the NYFD decided to 'pull' WTC 7 on the day of the attack. The word 'pull' is industry jargon for taking a building down with explosives.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html

So it was brought down by controlled demolition. Trouble is, that would mean it was already wired for demolition. If that's the case, it wouldn't be a great stretch to suppose that buildings One and Two were similarly wired.

From THE NEW YORK TIMES:

Assistant Fire Commissioner: "I thought . . . before . . . No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. . . . I . . . saw a flash flash flash . . . the lower level of the building. You know like when they . . . blow up a building. . . ?”

Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Gregory_Stephen.txt

# NYC firefighter: “It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit. . . e originally had thought there was like an internal detonation, explosives, because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.”

Link to quote:
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Cachia_Edward.txt


# From The San Francisco Chronicle / SFGate.com:

Captain of Emergency Medical Services: "somewhere around the middle of the world trade center there was this orange and red flash coming out ... initially it was just one flash then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode ... and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides ... as far as could see these popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger going both up and down and then all around the building"

Link to quote:
http://sfgate.com/gate/pictures/2005/09/10/ga_karin_deshore.pdf

# "When we got to about 50 feet from the South Tower, we heard the most eerie sound that you would ever hear. A high-pitched noise and a popping noise made everyone stop. We all looked up. At the point, it all let go...
...There was an explosion and the whole top leaned toward us and started coming down. I stood there for a second in total awe, and then said, "What the F###?" I honestly thought it was Hollywood."

- Eye-witness Jeff Birnbaum, president of Broadway Electrical Supply Co., New York

Link to quote:
http://september11.ceenews.com/ar/electric_broadway_electrical_supplys/

# Member of the FDNY:
"We were trying to get some of the people out, but then there was secondary explosions and then subsequent collapses."

Video: http://www.911blimp.net/videos/FDNY-explosions.mov

# Firefighter:
"As we were getting our gear on and making our way to the stairway, there was a heavy duty explosion."

Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/heavy.duty.explosion.wmv

More...

That's not the point.

I learned very early on that when making a presentation put your best points foward and leave out anything that could be challenged if it isn't necessary for getting what you want.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848

peace

Not true. Standing towers would have been an image of strength, and a monument to the Bush
administration's failure to prevent the attacks.

The towers had to collapse to create the image of a vulnerable civilization that required extraordinary
measures to ensure its survival. The collapse was necessary to the psychological effect.

Granted though, how the towers came down is not the main point. On other hand, proving CD by itself goes a long way toward proving mihop. At least it should arise enough suspicions to reopen the investigation. All you have to do then is follow the money and you'll arrive at the main point.

weren't enough to bring the building down. So what do you think did?

it's pretty obvious what 9/11 was all about.

Just where did the hijackers come from?
Where was the money transferred from?
Who are Bushco's "allies in the war on terror"?
What countries do the BFEE have strong business ties to?
Was Saddam's Iraq a threat/rival to those countries?

Just answer those questions and read the PNAC document then..

Someone please join the dots.

Forget controlled demolitions and missile pods and blaming it on the jews and look at the financial and personal connections hiding in plain sight (but rarely talked about).

And why didn't they seriously investigate allegations of insider trading before 9/11? Specifically; increases in "Put Options" on UA and AA?

This is not our job.

They failed in so many ways...

the Kennedy assination Warren Report
9-11 truth/websites have everything, w/MSM press coverage from day one on all of this.

BUSH AND THE SAUDIS SITTIN' IN A TREE, KAY EYE ESS ESS EYE EN GEE
Friday, August 1, 2003
Greg Palast
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=254&row=1

But here's the real kick in the head. Turns out that unlike the 18 minutes missing from the Nixon tape, the 28 pages missing from Congress' publicly released report on the September 11 attack has been found. And it turns out to be a summary of Saudi Arabia's financing of terrorist fronts including the 'charities' supporting Al Qaeda.

Analysis is "hard work". One big part of our nation's problem is sheer laziness and the need for instant gratification.
The official story is swallowed hole. But reality exists whether it's acknowledged or not, so ridicule is necessary.
Necessary to the true believers but irrelevant to reality.

The Pentagon attack could only have been accomplished with the wargames being already known about (see the
http://www.oilempire.us/wargames.html#airforce
weblink showing in detail ) and any 'insiders' who could give such information to the Saudi/UAE hijackers

Ptech article
http://www.madcowprod.com/index45.html

showing their FAA and NAS computer access, along with other clients tied to intelligence. I understand that Ptech has now changed its name to GoAgile, for what it's worth.

Dollars of Terror
http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17730

""Ptech’s clients in 2001 included the Department of Justice, the Department of Energy, Customs, Air Force, the White House, the FAA, IBM, Sysco, Aetna, and Motorola, to name just a few...
The FBI finally raided Ptech on December 6, 2002. However, no arrests were made and the company continues to operate, and according to Ptech’s CEO, Oussama Ziade, in May 2004, "Ptech still has government agencies as customers, including the White House."...Recently, Ptech changed both the name of the company and of its software to GoAgile.""

For the template to be discarded, the WhiteHouse would have to disown its current contractor GoAgile. They would have to admit that 9-11 happened on their watch, possibly with their own assistance. That assistance could have been either LIHOP or MIHOP or even just plain old negligence. The question of how 9-11 happened while wargames were ongoing and whether terrorists had foreknowledge of those wargames is begged. Coincidence ? Highly unlikely.

In any event, another 9-11 could happen with a port agreement and foreign insiders. Makes you wonder about this administration, though, doesn't it ?

shows exactly who B*shco's working for.

I find it so ironic that freepers foam at the mouth about killing muslims and arabs but don't notice who B*shco's real paymasters are or that America's revenge has rained down on Iraq, a country which had nothing to with 9/11.

If the port deal doesn't do it for the rest I don't know what the hell ever will.

9/11. Terra color levels elevated daily. Jump forward to 1-2 weeks back w/port deal w/country connected to who Bush said was connected to 9/11.

When something does not seem right, then its not right meaning something is wrong, right!?!

Will we ever know the truth?

Increase in Contracting Intelligence Jobs Raises Concerns
By Walter Pincus
The Washington Post

Monday 20 March 2006
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/032006H.shtml

which is essentially what Ptech/GoAgile had during 9-11 with access to wargames and FAA computers.

Ptech. Now, GoAgile. Didn't know that till now. Hm.

...:boring: This is a good HISTORY and summery of the so-called 9/11 "truth movement," but for those of us who have been down this road, it's all old info.

It does make a lot of good points, but it also fans the flames and boosts the book sales for the snake oil salesmen that are pushing this crap.

I have no doubt that there's a little bit of truth sprinkled through most of these "theories," but most of it is BS, being spun by modern "snake-oil" salesmen and far-right reactionaries, who would rather believe this stuff, than admit that when you work in a major sky-scraper, you are adding risk to your life.

Here's a few REAL FACTS:

1) The so-called "proof" the mentioned websites offer almost always point to Photos and video that are posted to the the web.

2) These photos are almost always Jpeg pictures and small quicktime and mpg video, all of which are small and compressed, to make them viewable on the web, without having to waste a lot of time waiting for them to down-load. Proof would be form the Original film or at least a Tiff file.

3) When you compress photos and video, these already low resolution photos and video become even less sharp and clear. (the U.S. standard NTSC, is only 525 lines of resolution AT BEST, most broadcast and cable video is received at 325 lines of resolution) I you want to see what I'm talking about, go sit close to your television, as close as you are from you computer screen right now, and have a look. If you have a way to capture video on your computer, capture something with text, then have a look.


If you want to see some of the higher resolution photos (but still Jpeg) that have been collected from people all around the world (pictures these "truth" sites do not link too) check out these links: <http://www.911digitalarchive.org/images/>

<http://www.911digitalarchive.org/>

<http://911da.org/crr/images/CRRDB/World%20Trade%20Center/WTC%20Attack.htm>

Lot's of (small) Newswire photos at this link: <http://wtc10048nyc.free.fr/index2.html>

Scholars for 9/11 Truth is calling for "Immediate release of 6,899 photographs and 6,977 segments of
video footage held by NIST, largely from private photographers, regarding the collapses of WTC buildings
on 9/11/2001" among other things.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/929981172?ltl=1141667399

From a quick look my guess is about half of the pictures isn't about the events that the 9-11 truth movement deals with.

Can you point me to any one that dispells any aspect of the 9-11 truth CT? A picture that proves the WTC buildings did not fall at near free fall speed? One that shows WTC7 "on fire" as opposed to having a few office fires? One that shows flight 93 at its supposed crash site?
I don't think you can.

I think people should have a look for themselves, at WTC7 in particular.

Many people have never come to believe the Warren Report. Jennings special on JFK didn't exactly help.

http://www.assassinationscience.com/johncostella/jfk/intro/wound.html

JFK was shot from the front with the kill shot. Either that or both the autopsy photos AND the Zapruder film was altered.

Also, read Joan Mellen's new book on the intelligence role in the assassination,

www.joanmellen.net

A Farewell To Justice

I recommend

JFK II: The Bush Connection
http://madcowpolitics.com/jfk2bb.wmv

It's both a tribute and a sequel of sorts to Stone's "JFK". It takes apart Jennings' presentation, and takes long hard look at the network behind the assasination all the way back to Prescott and you-know-who.

Full article archived here with commentary:

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060320164312944

March 20, 2006:

What may be the best coverage ever for the 9/11 truth movement in a US corporate medium was published as a feature story by Mark Jacobson in the current issue of New York magazine. Jacobson (or his editor) wrap the subject in the familiar defusing language: "Conspiracy theorists run amok... Ground Zero grassy knoll... wild-eyed nuts..." But this is not the usual attack piece. The 8,000-word article fairly summarizes several key arguments underlying 9/11 skepticism, with a bit of extraneous apocrypha tossed in, apparently for color. More significant surely is the inclusion of a dozen books and web sites by name, including this one. (One current and one former regional 911Truth.org director figure in the piece.)

Jacobson describes his own Ground Zero experience, of being warned on the evening of Sept. 11 that WTC 7 was about to fall, seeing it collapse, and still dreaming about it to this day. NIST head investigator Shyam Sunder is forced to admit to Jacobson that he cannot account for the collapse of Seven.

Jacobson provides details of a lecture by Webster Tarpley to 200 people in Manhattan (as part of a weekly series held nearly every Sunday at St. Mark's Church). He quotes September 11th relative Monica Gabrielle on her realization about the much-disparaged "conspiracy theorists." "They cared more than those supposedly doing the investigating," Gabrielle says. "If you ask me they’re just Americans, looking for the truth, which is supposed to be our right."

Lest you forget, New Yorkers are exercising their right to demand truth at Ground Zero and the offices of Eliot Spitzer, starting at high noon this Wednesday. If you're anywhere nearby, we hope to see you there. (nl)

thanks for that

Of all of the reports about 'controlled demotion' reports of explosions in the basement get my attention -- you have to blow a building up starting at the base to get them to drop down into their own footprint. Could the explosions heard after the plane struck be due to 'systems' in the building malfunctioning - yes. But an explosion in the basement before the first plane struck could not...

the blowing of the water pumps. The neocons had to make sure that the fires didn't go out quickly. Otherwise the demolitions would have been harder to sell to the American sheeple.

Should I believe my lying eyes?

get exposed to our 'insanity'. They don't call this forum the dungeon for nothing.

it all out.
I live in Brooklyn, and worked in the WTC. I want to know the TRUTH!!!!

From the moment I saw the second plane hit the South tower I knew in my heart of hearts that the Bushites were responsible for it. Someday, somehow, the truth will come out.

I think it is imperative that the truth be known.

business and have the White House and many federal agencies as clients right now.