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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:51 PM
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So who piloted the hijacked 9/11 planes?
The alleged hijackers didn't have the experience or talent required to do it. So who did it? If they were remote-controlled, who was operating the controls?
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:52 PM
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1. Why wouldn't they have had the experience or talent?
They weren't landing or taking off (the hard parts!). They were steering. I think one could be trained to do that.
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KFC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:56 PM
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5. Exactly - piece of cake
A few hours in a flight simulator and you are good to go for steering. A kid in a pilot's lap could probably do the same.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 07:00 PM
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7. A professional pilot said that flying at full speed into a building
isn't that easy, and thee of the four were able to do it.

I think it's probably reasonable to conclude that the pilots were talented, and had skills, and attending the flight schools was a cover to hide the fact that the people who really did it probably had extensive military experience and very coordinated training. That's just a guess.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 01:04 AM
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14. A "cover" by whom? The hijackers or our government?
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 07:14 PM
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10. i seriously doubt that a kid in a pilot's lap could drop that bird..
on the Pentagon lawn like a seasoned tailhooker. I'm not in the 'missile hit the Pentagon' camp, but I still find it suspect that some flight school dropout makes a maneuver of that precision.
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lcordero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:54 PM
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2. hijackers?
http://www.rense.com/general20/alives.htm

7 of the 19 hijackers seem to be alive.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:56 PM
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4. Gov. Keane will reveal all when...
he concludes the 9/11 investigation. Clap your hands if you believe...
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:55 PM
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3. experience or talent?
They were trained in american flight schools.
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 07:08 PM
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9. Both
They were terrible at the flight schools. Two were described as "dumb and dumber".
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LostInTheMaise Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:58 PM
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6. Oh please
To turn any alieron aircraft requires to bank and use the elevator to turn. If you don't snap the wing root you have made the turn. It's simple and any six Y/O could do it. Landing is hard but aiming a flying craft is as simple as a video game.

MIHOP is complete and total BS...any person with an IQ above 100 can aim and fly an able craft.
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 07:07 PM
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8. A quick 270 degree turn is a piece of cake?
?
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 07:41 PM
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11. I don't know what I beleive
whether it was LIHOP or MIHOP (though I lean away from that, I don't think the neocons are that insane although that could be wishful thinking) but it is without a doubt NOT an easy thing to aim a commercial airliner at a small target - I could maybe accept amateurs hitting the WTC but at the speeds the plane was travelling at to be able to hit a five story building is really difficult, a centimetre or so off would have put them out.

It's asking me to make far to big a leap to accept that a amateur with only minimal simulator training managed to pull this off. Completely incredible.
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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 09:14 PM
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12. At high speeds?
Making a hard bank at 400-500-mph(South Tower) is not an easy task from what I understand.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:05 PM
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13. "No one ever expected that planes would crash into buildings."
Edited on Thu Feb-12-04 10:12 PM by Old and In the Way
-Condi Rice


From the www.cooperativeresearch.org timeline on 9/11:

(6:30 a.m.) Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins and other NORAD employees at NEADS (NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector that covers the Washington and New York areas) are starting their work day. NORAD is unusually prepared on 9/11, because it is conducting a week-long semiannual exercise called Vigilant Guardian. NORAD is thus fully staffed and alert, and senior officers are manning stations throughout the US. The entire chain of command is in place and ready when the first hijacking is reported. An article later says, "In retrospect, the exercise would prove to be a serendipitous enabler of a rapid military response to terrorist attacks on Sept. 11." ABC News later reports that because NORAD is "conducting training exercises therefore extra fighter planes on alert." Colonel Robert Marr, in charge of NEADS, says, "We had the fighters with a little more gas on board. A few more weapons on board." The exercise poses "an imaginary crisis to North American Air Defense outposts nationwide." Accounts by participants vary on if 9/11 was the second, third, or fourth day of the exercise. Since NORAD was in peak form, isn't the incredible slowness of its response times on 9/11 even more inexplicable?

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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 05:30 PM
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18. Actually they DID expect 9-11...to happen sometime THAT week.
"NORAD is unusually prepared on 9/11, because it is conducting a week-long semiannual exercise called Vigilant Guardian."

There's the plausible deniability. The "attacks" could have come any day during that "exercise" week. Only a very few people probably knew exactly WHICH day the "attacks" would occur; but in hindsight, 9-11 was the most obviously likely day (because of its importance as an anniversary date for so many curious events).
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 07:21 AM
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15. How many hijackers were there?
Do have any evidence on this front? Do we even have any evidence showing who was on the planes? All we have seen is pictures of Atta at an airport. What about the rest? How many of them were on those flights?
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 04:21 PM
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16. What You Talking 'bout Willis?
The FBI has told us what we are supposed to believe.
The same FBI that ignored the Colleen Rowley memo.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,249997,00.html

Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.) seized on the Rowley memo as proof that an independent commission was needed to investigate the FBI, despite vigorous opposition to such an inquiry from the White House. Daschle said on NBC's "Meet the Press" that President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney personally lobbied him in January "not to investigate the events of Sept. 11."
http://foi.missouri.edu/whistleblowing/moussaouimemo.html
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 05:15 PM
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17. yes, I sure would like to know....
So who piloted the hijacked 9/11 planes?

the official story is total bullshit ..
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hellsbells Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:25 AM
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19. pilots
My guess is that the planes were piloted by experienced professional airline pilots who wouldn't dream of endangering their aircraft or the lives of their passengers or themselves.

Their aircraft were commandeered by events outside their control. Although the Official Story proffered the ridiculous theory of 'arab hijackers' this is just too implausible to be contemplated. Some other way was used to commandeer the aircraft. We don't quite yet know what it was.

As for airliners being flown into buildings, please! We saw videos of such things paraded on our television sets, but I don't think they were genuine planes, at least not genuine airliners. Has anyone seen a certificate of authenticity for even one of these videos? Where did they come from? The spooks' works? Probably. Too important to leave such a vital thing to mere chance.

The thing that gave away the hoax was that they didn't nominate OBL as best foreign director / producer at one of the many film & televison awards. No Oscars for Osama! Yet it was very fine television.

I am utterly sickened by the murders of over 2.500 people that day by complete psychopaths. The same psychopaths who continued their crimes against humanity in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 05:29 PM
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20. Military planes?
Some people argue that they were military planes. Can commercial planes make quick, sharp turns like the ones made on 9/11?
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:03 PM
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22. Yes they can
Those weren't particularly sharp turns. Military planes can turn a LOT faster.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:55 PM
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21. It doesn't take much talent to fly an airplane that's already in the air
It's just like driving a bumper car in three dimensions. Little kids can successfully drive bumper cars in two dimensions. It does take much to learn pull back for up, push forward for down.
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