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FrankLee Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 09:10 AM
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MARK MORFORD - Long Live the 9/11 Conspiracy!
Long Live The 9/11 Conspiracy!
Anyone still care about the heap of disturbing, unsolved questions surrounding Our Great Tragedy?
By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist

Wednesday, March 29, 2006

Here is your must-read for the month. Here is your oh-my-God-I'm-sending-this-piece-to-every-smart-person-I-know hunk of outstanding, distressing, disquieting media bliss.

Here it is: an absolutely exceptional inside scoop on the white-hot world of Sept. 11 conspiracy theories, writ large and smart by Mark Jacobson over at New York magazine, and it's mandatory reading for anyone and everyone who's ever entertained the nagging thought that something -- or rather, far more than one something -- is deeply wrong with the official line on what actually happened on Sept. 11.

See, it is very likely that you already know that Sept. 11 will go down in the conspiracy history books as a far more sinister affair than, say, the murky swirl of the Kennedy assassination. You probably already know that much of what exactly happened on Sept. 11 remains deeply unsettling and largely unsolved -- or to put another way, if you don't know all of this and if you fully and blithely accept the official Sept. 11 story, well, you haven't been paying close enough attention.

But on this, the third anniversary of the launch of Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq by way of whoring the tragedy of Sept. 11 for his cronies' appalling gain, what you might not know, what gets so easily forgotten in the mists of time and via the endless repetition of the orthodox Sept. 11 tale, is the sheer volume, the staggering array of unanswered questions about just about every single aspect of Sept. 11 -- the planes, the WTC towers, the Pentagon, the fires, the passengers and the cell phone calls and the firefighters and, well, just about everything. It is, when you look closely, all merely a matter of how far down the rabbit hole you are willing to go.

Verily, Jacobson, in his New York mag piece, encounters crackpots and fringe nutballs and those who think Sept. 11 was connected to aliens and electromagnetic fields and the Illuminati. It can, unfortunately, get a little crazy. But there is also a very smart, grounded, intelligent and surprisingly large faction -- which includes eyewitnesses, Sept. 11 widows, former generals, pilots, professors, engineers, WTC maintenance workers and many, many more -- who point to a rather shocking pile of evidence that says there is simply no way 19 fanatics with box cutters sent by some bearded lunatic in a cave could have pulled off the most perfectly orchestrated air attack of the century. Not without serious help, anyway.

Whose help? This, of course, is the biggest question...

the rest (with links) at
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/gate/archive/2006/03/29/notes032906.DTL&nl=fix
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 09:15 AM
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1. Lord, not again.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 10:19 AM
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13. after years of hard work pass'n the word & enduring insults
the M$M is finally getting on this critical story.

congratulations patriots for standing up for the truth :toast:

peace
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jedicord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 09:18 AM
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2. I've got to see 911 Loose Change.
Call me a quasy 911 Conspiracy Theorist, but I still can't wrap my brain around the fact that the Pentagon of all places could be hit an hour after the WTC was hit. Just can't do it.
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RufusEarl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 09:31 AM
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5. For me
It was building #7, I will never believe that bldg #7 collapsed on itself because of fire. This building collapsed a few short hours after both WTC building, and was not hit by a plan and was not hit by debris from either WTC building.

The owner is on television stating he told the NYFD to pull this building, the NYFD don't pull building. And if the building was pulled, then someone has to have had advance knowledge of the Sept attacks so they could wire the building with explosives. And that folks is a conspiracy, plan and simple.
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jedicord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 10:16 AM
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12. Yes, that bothers me too.
Actually a lot does. The share trading, the lack of plane/people bits, how these huge buildings fell straight down, I could go on. But, not knowing about building construction, demolition, etc. I can't make that argument to someone else with any credibility.

Knowing that we are supposed to be a military superpower, I can credibly say to anyone else that the Pentagon should NOT have been allowed to be hit, and sow that seed of doubt in their brains.
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RufusEarl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:14 AM
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15. There happens to be allot of new information
out, and it's pretty damning. I've researched the 9-11 theories, and i do have a background in building construction. And my firm belief in the destruction of the building on 9-11, leaves me no choice but to believe it was an inside job.

Let me qualify this statement by saying, that i did not want to believe this theory. I did not want to believe that people in my government would have a part in something like this for personal gain, but the facts in this case leaves me no other choice.

PNAC wanted this attack on this country, and they not only let it happen they helped by imploding the WTC building along with bldg #7 in NYC.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 09:21 AM
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3. That bearded fanatic in a turban
is a brilliant man who has made a fortune in construction and real estate. You bet he and his organization could have mounted the attack using just 19 fanatics with box cutters. I don't dispute that part.

However, they did have help, and it was the passive aggressive kind of help. The failure of the air defense system, the failure of the FBI brass to take field agents' reports seriously, the failure of Clarke and his staff to penetrate the hubris at the heart of the idiocy known as the PNAC were all the kind of help OBL and his organization needed to pull this off.

My guess is that the inaction occurred because they knew they needed to consolidate power after grabbing it illegally and against the will of the people. When this fell into their laps, they were quick to blame Iraq (and Cheney still does) and try to justify an immediate invasion of that country.

All the speculation about the towers is just that. I'd prefer to rely on the conclusions drawn by the guy who designed them.

We know how #7 fell. We just don't know what caused that one major upright to fail.

There are no controlled demolition theories out there that don't suspend the rules of physics and chemistry and/or require superhuman abilities.

The questions we should all have should focus on this: when did they know, what did they know, and why didn't they do anything? Those are the real questions that have remained unanswered because answering them will put this gang in prison.
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LiberalVoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 09:34 AM
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6. First off...
Edited on Wed Mar-29-06 09:39 AM by LiberalVoice
Osama Bin Laden did not make money off of construction and real estate. His father did. And who is the "we" that know how WTC 7 fell? Have you seen the video of #7 falling? Do "we" want to explain to me how an internal fire caused all four corners of that building to fall at the same time? Or maybe "we" can tell me how the only three skyscrapers in history to have fallen because of a fire all fell on the same day. Or maybe "we" can help me understand how the US govt allowed a commercial plane to crash into the capital of this country well after they were aware we were under attack. Imagine for one second that they had not used planes. Imagine it was a missle that was heading for the pentagon. Do "We" think that we can stop a nuclear missle but not a fucking jumbo jet? Please :eyes: None of the questions I have asked you have been answered by this government in any fashion that makes sense! I demand accountability for what happened to the people who died that day!
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 10:12 AM
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11. The pdf file of the report on how the tower fell is out there
Google it and read it.

They know how. They just aren't sure about why.
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RufusEarl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:36 AM
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16. The story of WTC collapse
If you're talking about the Popular Mechanic issue, then that piece is pure crap IMHO. It's been discredited by several structural engineers, and by many other professionals.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 05:29 PM
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22. You mean the one that says that they have no clue how WTC-7 fell?
Or is there some other one you read in your sweet dreams?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 09:39 AM
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7. Neil Bush being in charge of security bothers me alot....It was Neil
wasn't it? One of them. Wherever there is a Bush there is negligence and incompetency. Usually of the "criminal" nature. :eyes:
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LiberalVoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 09:40 AM
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8. Seriously.
I believe you're referring to him being CEO of the company in charge of security for the WTC's right?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 10:07 AM
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10. Yes.......n/t
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 05:27 PM
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21. How did WTC-7 fall?
Please give us all the blow by blow of what we supposedly know ...
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 09:26 AM
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4. This article is getting around
Lots of people are e-mailing the link....
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 10:23 AM
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14. That New York Magazine article is a long one.
Edited on Wed Mar-29-06 10:24 AM by KoKo01
and that Morford links to it and the Documentary is good. Will be interesting to see if other sites pick up on it.

Sort of would seem the time is ripe for another look. Considering the two major messes the Bushies have made with Iraq and Katrina...(and it's yet to be seen what they've done to our economy) it's hard to believe they weren't totally incompetent on "9/11." Looking back is good. No one has been fired for any of their messes. Why? If we get beyond the "fear factor" most Americans have been dealing with..there are some tough questions to be asked.. :shrug:
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 09:52 AM
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9. Anyone in the legal field will tell you that a conspiracy of more than one
is doomed. Myself, I have unanswered questions about 9/11 and I agree with the above poster that pointed out that the Pentagon was hit an HOUR after the WTC. Does anyone really think the Pentagon would sit there defenseless for an hour knowing that other planes had been hijacked and were unaccounted for? There are so many holes, I am just waiting for the conspiracy to unravel because somebody will talk.
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RufusEarl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 02:00 PM
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17. Thats the point!
The pentagon is not defenseless, it's well guarded with missile batteries and a radar system. All these building were attacked on 9-11, but the conspiracy is one of american involvement to let this happen so a war in Iraq could be defended.
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 07:45 PM
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18. I'm going to keep my mouth shut about this until after the next election.
But I will say this, after all this administration has done so far, what would you put past them?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 09:59 PM
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19. The video "Loose Change" that is linked from Moford's article is
worth a watch for those who can download it. I'm dial-up..had to use hubby's laptop....but it was well worth the watch.

In a time gone by this video would have been shown ...but with the Media Lockdown, McCarthy time we live in...sadly we can only download and watch it from the internet.

I remember seeing lots of stuff about JFK's assassination through the years broadcast on the Networks when they used to do some "investigative shows" and "Specials." Even in the early days of cable this could have been shown and discussed.

But..it's lockdown... Still glad we can watch it if we can get high speed here on the internet, though. It's our last place for "free speech." We should enjoy it while we have it. :-(
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 10:14 PM
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20. I have always had trouble with those three building coming down at
near free fall speed -- one would think that each floor would provide a little resistance and would not give so evenly -- christ, you'd think the floors in the world trade building were made of potato chips. And the steel all gave at once. That was handy. From a kerosene fire yet. One that was blowing black smoke -- and much of it outside the buildings. Imagine three steel structured building falling down so sweetly on their own footprints. That was well behaved of them. That's a conspiracy story of the highest order.

Or don't you just love the explanation for the lack of significant debris at the Pentagon -- the plane vaporized! How often does that happen? Convenient -- I'd say.

There are so many problems with the 'official' conspiracy story. I want the 911 commission re-opened -- and this time I want it staffed by real scientists.
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