The 9/11 Cell Phone Calls

A large part of the description, regarding the 19 hijackers relies on cell phone conversations with family and friends.

While a few of these calls (placed at low altitude) could have got through, the wireless technology was not available.

According to the American Airline / Qualcomm announcement, the technology for cell phone transmission at high altitude will only be available aboard commercial aircraft in 2006. This is an inescapable fact.

In the eyes of public opinion, the cell phone conversations on the Arab hijackers is needed to sustain the illusion that America is under attack.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO408B.html

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They specifically say CELL PHONES were used.

No one ever mentions why they just happened to have recordings and/or transcripts of the cell phone conversations, though. Maybe we should ask Mr. Goss's replacement...spying on citizens was his baby.

were also the same able bodied young men who took tried to take over the plane from the hijackers.

....they said the people on UA93 did use air phones not cell phones.

Full disclosure: I haven't seen the movie. But who is the "they" that said the people on 93 did not use cell phones. Every review of the movie I've read, and the comments I've seen on some freeper boards, too, talks about the cell phone calls. CELL phones. But still left out of the discussion...how the hell did the government know what was said on these conversations? Where/how did it get transcripts and/or recordings of people's private conversations? This was technically still "pre-9/11" remember. I thought Bush's evesdropping plan was supposed to be a RESPONSE to 9/11.

So many questions the supposed "press" refuses to ask. Herd up the sheeple, lead 'em to the slaughter.

record to prove that.

You can't use that phone without a credit card.

And no phone records have ever been provided to show us a record of any of those cell phone calls.

I'd like to see Binginghiemer's cell phone records with that phone call on there. Whatever his name was.

with Ted Olson shortly after 9/11. During that interview, he said that Barbara called him on her cell phone.

I guess the story changed after that.

Of course, one could argue that he was still so grief stricken, that he was mistaken.

and he didn't seem all that grief stricken.

I do remember he distinctly said that Barbara called him three times. The first two calls were about the hijacking and what should they do. Then he said the third call was just to say I love you and that they spoke a little more saying the things that two people who loved each would say under such circumstances. His reaction seemed odd to me at the time.

that he specifically said she called him on her cell phone?

the gay rugby player used an Airphone for one phone call to his mother.

However, there are numerous versions of the content of that phone call.

on a Skyphone except the Skyphone operator, yet some of the passengers supposedly made 3 and 4 phone calls each directly to their loved ones. If they were on a Skyphone getting cut off wouldn't be a problem, so I would assume that anyone who called someone 'directly' would have been on a cell phone.

What's really odd though, is that almost all of the phone calls from Flight 93 came from the men who were also on the Let's Roll Team. The infamous Todd Beamer is the most amazing. He spoke to the Skyphone operate for 14 minutes and had enough time and composure to say the Lord's prayer, a psalm with her, and still had to time plan and participate in the take over of the plane.

The more you look at Flight 93, the more unbelievable the official story becomes.

You're kidding, right? With the Skyphone operator? Geez, I didn't realize how irreligious I was. I'd be saying "GIMME MY WIFE, NOW..." I guess that's why I'm going to burn in a fiery hell for all of eternity. They say this convo was with the Skyphone operator?

Responded to wrong post

December 2, 2001

Beamer, who didn't want to worry his pregnant wife, had called GTC, the company that provides the telephone service on United Airlines flights. He and Jefferson talked for 13 minutes, during which they recited together the Lord's Prayer and Psalm 23 - 'Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil; for Thou art with me; Thy rod and Thy staff they comfort me.'

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/waronterrorism/story/0,1373,610355,00.html


Amazing guy?

I know one thing, with hijackers taking over the plane, threatening people with guns and bombs, slicing the throats of the pilots and then throwing one on the bodies out of the cockpit and onto the floor of the plane, I think the last thing I would be doing is making phones calls so that I could say the Lord's Prayer with someone. Give me a break.

The last several times I've flown, there have been no phones.

conspiracy theories. You too can google "cell phone use on airplanes" and read what ever pops up.

All I found with google was conspiracy sites with no real scientific explanation. Just lots of quotes from people pushing different conspiracy theories. No PHYSICAL explanation of why it couldn't have worked back then.

I just did last week. No luck. Just my personal experience, I am no expert on cell tech.

Sorry I thought that much was rather obvious, since it was the Crux of the post I was responding to.

My next trip is in either 6 months or 2 years. Besides - aren't they "banned"? I can just see it - "oh air marshal, I'm just trying an experiment". Or was that ban repealed?

educate yourself a little.
http://www.mobile-review.com/articles/2002/plane-en.shtml

going to happen? What altitude were the calls supposedly made from?

when the hijacking began after 9:30 AM.

I am not sure what you Googled, but I had no problem finding information on this. Even "Mythbusters" on teevee did a segment on this.

A "cell" must pass your phone's signal to the next "cell" as you travel. From a plane, the signal spreads out so far that many "cells" pick it up. Too many, in fact. The switching computers that relay your conversation cannot discern where you actually are, since several towers are all reporting back that you're near them. Think of you computer trying to access a file with the exact same name on ten different locations on various hard disks...it has to know where to get the information from. Since it can't, it does just what your home computer would do...nothing. Stop and scratch its digital head.

That is the simplest explanation I can give. Also, think about the speed of the airplane. Flying 500 mph, you're switching from tower to tower, "cell" to "cell," so fast, that the equipment just can't keep up with where you are. There is no time to hand off your signal from one tower to the next at those speeds.

Think of it in even more basic terms...you lose your signal going around mountainous areas, under tunnels, behind giant rocks. But they want us to believe these people carried on lengthy cell phone conversations at 10,000 feet and 500 mph?

Uh uh. I don't think so!

...and referred to themselves with their first and last names. I think "Loose Change" covers this, some guy called his mother and kept saying, "You believe me, right?"

in a drill , and that is how they got their voices recorded. There is also something about martial arts trained people being aboard the flight, I can't remember if I read that here.

was a judo champ.

arts/special forces guy who had died on FLIGHT 93 and he wasn't listed on the "manifest". Now I don't know where I saw that, obviously there was no follow up on it.:eyes: Then there was also that Israeli intelligence guy. All the flights had unusual coincidences.

I'm working on a little side project right now, looking into the people of Flight 93. That was the only reason why I had that little factoid at my fingertips.

Seems that everyone on the Let's Roll Team were also the ones who made most of the phone calls that got reported in the press. Amazing men who were able to making numerous and lengthy phone calls, while at the same time planning to take over the plane?

I'll keep my eyes open for some of the details you've mentioned.

Lou Nacke, at 5 feet 3 and 200 pounds, was a weight lifter with a Superman tattoo on his shoulder.

Rich Guadagno, an enforcement officer with California Fish and Wildlife, had been trained in hand-to-hand combat.

Flight attendant CeeCee Lyles had been a detective on the Ft. Pierce, Fla., police force.

William Cashman was a former paratrooper with the 101st Airborne; at 60, the ex-ironworker was still fit.

Linda Gronlund, a lawyer, had a brown belt in karate.

Lauren Grandcolas had organized a sky-diving expedition; on her fridge was a note, get busy living or get busy dying.

Alan Beaven, 6 feet 3, was a rock climber and former Scotland Yard prosecutor.

http://www.wtv-zone.com/AttackonAmerica/Flight93/unitedflight93.html


Was everyone on this plane young and incredibly physically fit? Lot's of law enforcement/military connections too.

There seems to be no old people on this flight? No children? No fat people? No ugly people? No foreigners, except for the hijackers?

Ziad Jarrah went to a guy named Bert Rodriguez at US1 Fitness in Florida for close quarters combat for 6 months. Bert Rodriguez was someone who was former military and worked with a lot of military people. Jarrah went there on a recommendation.
The whole Flight 93 thing feels like it was a drill turned into a real event.

Your words: "Was everyone on this plane young and incredibly physically fit? Lot's (sic) of law enforcement/military connections too. There seems to be no old people on this flight? No children? No fat people? No ugly people? No foreigners, except for the hijackers?"

Here are some of the not so young, not so fit passengers who also died on that flight. You'll have to judge "fat" and "ugly" and "foreign" for yourself once you get around to actually researching the entire list of those who died on that plane. These are just a few to address your "young and incredibly physically fit" bit. The rest of your post is so distasteful as to not be worthy of response.

Hilda Marcin, 79, a retired special education teacher's aide.

Colleen L. Fraser, 51, 4 1/2 feet tall, a survivor of childhood surgeries for an inherited bone condition, walked with a cane, flew with trepidation and fought for the disabled with ferocity.

William Cashman, 57, of North Bergen, NJ.

Georgine Rose Corrigan, 58, of Honalulu, Hawaii.

Patricia Cushing, 69, of Bayonne, NJ.

Joseph DeLuca, 52, of Ledgewood, NJ.

Patrick Joseph Driscoll, 70, of Manalapan, NJ.

Jane Folger, 73, of Bayonne, NJ.

Andrew Garcia, 62, of Portola Valley, California.

Linda Gronland, 46, of Warwick, NY.

Hilda Marcin, 79, of Budd Lake, NJ.

Donald Peterson, 66, of Spring Lake, NJ.

Jean Peterson, 55, of Spring Lake, NJ.

Mark Rothenberg, 52, of Scotch Plains, NJ.

John Talignani, 72, of New York, NY.

Donald F. Green, 52, of Greenwich, CT.

Marion Britton, 53, of New York, NY.

Olga Kristin Gould White, 65, of New York, NY.

Since there were 37 passengers on board, you seem to have provided a rather selective list?

Still nobody under 18 anywhere in sight.

So far almost everyone listed on the plane lived in the US, with the majority being from NJ or CA (not that surprising), and most have 'english/american' names.

I suppose I must be showing my own age, since I no longer consider anyone under 70 old and so far we've only got 3 people over 70.

Sorry, if my wonderings offend you, maybe you should stay up top where speculation isn't tolerated?

i used to work Q/A for a software company that developed video games for cell phones.
part of the testing process is to place a cell phone in an aluminum foil wrapped box for 3-5min. to
force it to lose its signal. a plane is basically a flying aluminum box. and no, the windows are not enough to
allow signal. the 2004 press release from Qualcomm explains how the newly implemented technology works on planes.

A small in-cabin CDMA cellular base station on the plane, that uses standard cellular communications,
was connected to the worldwide terrestrial phone network by an air-to-ground Globalstar satellite link.

try it home. wrap shoe box or an Amazon box with 3 layers of aluminum foil and place your phone in it for 5 mins. then
peek inside the box and see if you have a signal. this is why i think, paired with the information about the way terrestrial-based
cell towers handle cell signals, we have not been told the truth.

When the plane is at the terminal, cell phones work just fine. Try it.

In the air is a different story, but they -do- work sometimes. It's illegal to use cell phones during flight because the transmitter power might cause the plane to crash. It's also illegal to use cell phones in hospitals because the transmitted signal might glitch electronic life support equipment.

Don't believe everything you read on Conspiracy Hobbyist websites.

Calls from cell phones can get through, you admitted that.

Technology for cell phone calls from a HIGH ALTITUDE plane was not available in 2001.

Were any of these planes at a "high altitude", as defined by the airlines?

I seem to remember that the nature of one of the phone calls was "we're flying low!"

I think you've got a big pile of nothing here, unless you can demonstrate that one of these planes was at a high altitude during one of these calls...and you haven't.

Nothing to see here...
(except the truth)


Flight 93 was at 35-40,000ft.

i have more maps here about the flight data for 93
http://airgames.bravehost.com/flight93.html

NOW, thats IF you beleive the flight maps.
so who made those maps anyway ?
A guy who had ties with war-games software, who was also a bigshot with some military contractors...
http://physics911.ca/org/modules/weblog/details.php?blog_id=58

From my perspective,
i seriously doubt that those calls were made at those altitudes.
2 reasons.
1) i tried it several times in 2003 and 2004
i couldnt get squat above 5,000ft, sometimes id get signal, and the call would try,
but it never connected with usable audio. (not over 5000ft)

2) I am a Sr. R.F. (Radio Frequency) Design engineer
I worked for 15 years in this indsutry, last job for Spring PCS designing scell site systems.
i decided what kind of antennas to use, how much power, where to put new cell sites etc...
http://www.geocities.com/rf_man_cdma/

on the day of 9/11 i had trouble believing in those calls,
so i did more research, as to who used cell phones, and who used seatback (Airphones)
i posted some stuff about it, then met Kee Dewdney,
we spoke at length several times before he did his test
http://www.physics911.net/projectachilles.htm
http://physics911.ca/org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=10

a coulpe of people saw caller ID of their loved ones.
these HAD to be cell phones.
(Ceecee Lyles i think was one)

one call was reported to have been RECEIVED IN ILLINIOS ...
http://911review.org/brad.com/sept11_cell-phones/illinois_flight-93.html

Now what i really beleived happened, was a mix of things.
i think most of the calls were probabaly not fake.
they could have been made on a plane that was under 35,000ft
(rather under 5000ft)
i think there was some kind of plane swap, and drill taking place.
imagine this....
OK, now YOU dial 9/11 and make it sound real.
dont worry, we have talked to the emergency operators on the ground
and they know its just a dril.
we are trying to test the system.

but that didnt even NEED to take place.
as i said, if the plane was under 5000ft then it might work,
or many of the calls anyway.

Back to the illinios call...
now some claim that article had some falsehoods.
FAA official claims
gun memo not draft
Managers checked 9-11 report for accuracy and 'nobody disputed' Flight 11 shooting
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26732

speaking of the gun on flight 11....
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26637

Here is the author of those articles...
Paul Sperry
Paul Sperry is a Washington, D.C.-based journalist,
WND contributor and author of "Infiltration:
How Muslim Spies and Subversives have Penetrated Washington."

Now this guy had a boner for getting Clinton in trouble,
and hates all democrats.

Well, back to cell phones.
i have written so much on this,
i had to make a page for it, so i dont repeat myself every month.

someone mentioned the handoffs between cell sites.
that is true.
handoffs are a real problem.
it would take an hour to explain it properly, so ill refer you to what i already wrote...
Analysis and technical Discussion on the possibility of cell phone use on September 11
http://911review.org/brad.com/sept11_cell-phones/engineer_tech.html

old physics911.org discussions by members on the ability to use cell phones on planes.
http://911review.org/brad.com/sept11_cell-phones/physics911_discussion.html
http://911review.org/brad.com/sept11_cell-phones/physics911_discussion2.html

flight 93
http://www.physics911.net/cellphoneflight93.htm

the data for the calls could have been made public.
they were not.
heres my first page on this...
http://analysis.batcave.net/cell_phones.html

Brad
http://911review.org

Must've been some helaciously good actors that could convince wives, husbands, mothers and children that they were speaking to their relatives at a time of great distress.

And some crackerjack gumshoes that could ferret out intimate details of personal lives so these wonderful actors could pull such a stunt off!

And they needed a proper sound studio, with airplane noises in the background...

What a wonderful web of conjecture we can weave from a single wrong premise.