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PatriotMom Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 11:45 PM
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Flight 77 was not a scheduled flight for 9/11/01
Nor was flight 11. The other flights 175 and 93 were and they are listed in the Dept of Trans website, but these other two are not. Why? If you find it saying cancelled or slammed into a building or something please let me know I have researced this and cannot find it.
Thanks
Peace
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 02:20 AM
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1. Wow, I didn't know that. Thanks, guess I'll do some research. n/t
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Kailassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 03:06 AM
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2. Kicking before this is kicked "downstairs".
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 03:46 AM
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3. .
K&R
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 03:48 AM
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4. I want to know more! k!
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Tin Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 07:24 AM
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5. Horse hockey.
Testimony of American Airlines CEO before Congress:
http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing7/witness_arpey.htm

Or is he part of the conspiracy too?

And consider this: how is it possible the same Govt that failed to 'plant' WMD evidence in Iraq, somehow manages to pull-off the alleged 911 conspiracy?
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:50 AM
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10. We he was holding his hand out for a huge government bailout
But that woudln't affect his testimony would it?

And all those CEOs that testified under oath that Tabacoo didn't cause cancer, addiction, well you know..... that doesn't mean this CEO would lie under oath.
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Tin Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:02 AM
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12. You're suggesting Congress would permit the major airlines to fold?
...unless they cooperated with the coverup.

So now the entire Congress is part of the 911 conspiracy? Where does it end? What role did John Kerry and Ted Kennedy play in the coverup?

The leaps of faith and fractured logic necessary to support these conspiracy theories is absurd...
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elias7 Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:56 AM
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11. seen reports that they tried to plant WMD's, but brewster-jennings
somehow interfered, which fueled speculation that the outing of Plame and Brewster-Jennings was really about WMD's, not Wilson. Not saying it happened, just that it is possible...
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 12:59 PM
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14. I can answer that last question.
By 2003, all of the covert eyes of the world were on Iraq. They weren't watching Saddam or his supporters. They were watching the Americans.

The worldwide intelligence community knew the Bush Administration was bullshitting about WMDs, and by 2003, Bush had burnt off most of his much-beloved "capital" which he had accrued as a result of the 9/11 attacks.

Nothing would have been more valuable in bringing down the Bush Administration than catching them in the act of planting false evidence, and by 2003 it was clear to most of the rest of the world--but not to most Americans--that the Bush Administration was the greatest threat to world peace. It would have been in the interest of most nations to expose any such attempt.

So the Bush Administration instead wisely decided to have Fox News falsely report discoveries of WMDs every couple of days. As long as idiot Americans were deceived through 2004, everyone else could go to hell.

Incompetence definitely played its role, though. Because the Americans had sent in too few troops and too few spooks, they were heavily reliant upon other nations for troops, money, and intelligence. Once they let foreign nationals into the game, planting the evidence became a practical impossibility. Furthermore, once the invasion of Iraq was complete, I don't think the blood-intoxicated Bush Administration cared whether or not their false justifications held water. "Res judicata," I'm sure The Decider would say, if he understood the law, or latin, or could properly pronounce a four-syllable word.

September 11, on the other hand, was perpetrated within the shadow government of the United States under much more tightly controlled conditions (including control of the investigations themselves), by people whose lives are now inextricably tied to covering up the crime.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 07:26 AM
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6. Wow, crazy how all those people showed up to ride on those planes, then.
Must have been a random thing - they all showed up at the airport and asked for tickets, and the airlines grabbed a spare plane, slapped a flight number on it, and that was that.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 07:30 AM
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7. LOL
n/t
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 08:22 AM
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9. Must have been serendipity
Er.. almost.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 08:22 AM
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8. Link to this website you speak of, please.
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PatriotMom Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 03:19 AM
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15. Here is the website and the infomation I got from that website
I pulled this information from the Dept of Trans website on April 18 2004 at this website address with searches done by flight number and departing airport and destination airport. I did it on all four of the alleged hi jacked planes for that day. You will see for flights 11 and 77 the first two here there is no flight schedule, but for flights 175 and 93 there are flight schedules. I did the same search on all four with these different results.
Please see the bottom of this page for what I pulled up an hour ago from same website search utility.

http://www.bts.gov/xml/ontimesummarystatistics/src/ddisp/OntimeSummarySelect.xml?tname=OntimeSummaryFlightData

Regardless of what this proves there does not appear to be a plane at the Pentagon or in Penn. either and I am not prone to believe they VAPORIZED like a good little sheeple. I will continue to ask the questions until I am satisfied with the answers.

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Detailed Statistics > Departure Statistics
Departure Statistic(s): Scheduled Departure Time
Airport(s): IAD
Airline(s): AA
Month(s): September
Day(s): 11
Year(s): 2001



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Airport: Washington, DC - Washington Dulles International (IAD)
Carrier Code Date (MM/DD/YYYY) Flight Number Tail Number Destination Airport Scheduled Departure Time

AA 09/11/2001 0075 UNKNOW LAX 18:00
AA 09/11/2001 0135 UNKNOW LAX 11:15
AA 09/11/2001 0143 UNKNOW LAX 15:00
AA 09/11/2001 0371 UNKNOW DFW 16:10
AA 09/11/2001 0397 UNKNOW DFW 12:55
AA 09/11/2001 0510 UNKNOW DFW 17:51
AA 09/11/2001 0573 UNKNOW DFW 9:23
AA 09/11/2001 0599 N871AA DFW 7:56
AA 09/11/2001 0771 N3BFAA SJU 7:00
AA 09/11/2001 0975 N3CAAA MIA 7:34
AA 09/11/2001 1217 N2ANAA ORD 6:25
AA 09/11/2001 1223 UNKNOW ORD 9:45
AA 09/11/2001 1229 UNKNOW ORD 13:25
AA 09/11/2001 1247 UNKNOW ORD 20:21
AA 09/11/2001 1309 UNKNOW DFW 14:20
AA 09/11/2001 1319 UNKNOW DFW 19:32
AA 09/11/2001 1361 N493AA DFW 6:15
AA 09/11/2001 1787 UNKNOW ORD 16:55

The total number of the records found for this query: 18

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Detailed Statistics > Departure Statistics
Departure Statistic(s): Scheduled Departure Time
Airport(s): BOS
Airline(s): AA
Month(s): September
Day(s): 11
Year(s): 2001



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Airport: Boston, MA - Logan International (BOS)
Carrier Code Date (MM/DD/YYYY) Flight Number Tail Number Destination Airport Scheduled Departure Time

AA 09/11/2001 0145 UNKNOW SJC 11:00
AA 09/11/2001 0153 N232AA ORD 8:30
AA 09/11/2001 0163 UNKNOW LAX 15:30
AA 09/11/2001 0181 UNKNOW LAX 11:00
AA 09/11/2001 0189 N3BMAA SEA 8:45
AA 09/11/2001 0193 UNKNOW SFO 15:25
AA 09/11/2001 0195 UNKNOW SFO 9:00
AA 09/11/2001 0197 UNKNOW SFO 17:10
AA 09/11/2001 0223 UNKNOW LAX 17:30
AA 09/11/2001 0225 UNKNOW SAN 18:10
AA 09/11/2001 0259 UNKNOW SJC 18:30
AA 09/11/2001 0269 N636AA SJC 8:00
AA 09/11/2001 0277 UNKNOW SAN 9:30
AA 09/11/2001 0363 UNKNOW AUS 17:35
AA 09/11/2001 0401 UNKNOW SJU 12:15
AA 09/11/2001 0449 UNKNOW MIA 8:50
AA 09/11/2001 0461 N255AA DFW 6:40
AA 09/11/2001 0489 UNKNOW ORD 10:59
AA 09/11/2001 0583 UNKNOW DFW 11:55
AA 09/11/2001 0645 N3BLAA JFK 6:05
AA 09/11/2001 1011 UNKNOW ORD 19:31
AA 09/11/2001 1019 N078AA SJU 6:55
AA 09/11/2001 1025 UNKNOW ORD 16:16
AA 09/11/2001 1079 UNKNOW DFW 15:05
AA 09/11/2001 1101 UNKNOW ORD 18:39
AA 09/11/2001 1115 UNKNOW MIA 14:55
AA 09/11/2001 1117 UNKNOW DFW 19:26
AA 09/11/2001 1121 UNKNOW DFW 16:30
AA 09/11/2001 1135 N2CFAA ORD 7:00
AA 09/11/2001 1141 UNKNOW ORD 14:15
AA 09/11/2001 1285 UNKNOW DFW 9:58
AA 09/11/2001 1353 UNKNOW ORD 13:01
AA 09/11/2001 1367 UNKNOW MIA 18:25
AA 09/11/2001 1547 N321AA MCO 7:25
AA 09/11/2001 1555 N3BBAA ORD 6:00
AA 09/11/2001 1629 UNKNOW ORD 12:20
AA 09/11/2001 1633 UNKNOW ORD 18:00
AA 09/11/2001 1663 N521AA DFW 7:05
AA 09/11/2001 1711 N061AA MIA 6:08
AA 09/11/2001 1757 N3CLAA ORD 7:42
AA 09/11/2001 1797 UNKNOW DFW 13:27
AA 09/11/2001 1811 N2CBAA DCA 6:40
AA 09/11/2001 1813 UNKNOW DCA 11:20
AA 09/11/2001 1821 UNKNOW ORD 9:19
AA 09/11/2001 1837 UNKNOW DCA 9:35
AA 09/11/2001 1849 UNKNOW ORD 15:22
AA 09/11/2001 1857 N630AA DFW 8:15
AA 09/11/2001 1859 UNKNOW DCA 17:00
AA 09/11/2001 1861 UNKNOW DCA 14:30
AA 09/11/2001 1887 UNKNOW DCA 19:25


Airport: Boston, MA - Logan International (BOS) (Continue)
Carrier Code Date (MM/DD/YYYY) Flight Number Tail Number Destination Airport Scheduled Departure Time

AA 09/11/2001 1901 UNKNOW MIA 12:00
AA 09/11/2001 1971 N5EPAA SJU 8:20
AA 09/11/2001 1983 N3BRAA FLL 6:35
AA 09/11/2001 2027 UNKNOW DFW 18:34
AA 09/11/2001 2055 UNKNOW DFW 16:16

The total number of the records found for this query: 55

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Detailed Statistics > Departure Statistics
Departure Statistic(s): Scheduled Departure Time
Airport(s): BOS
Airline(s): UA
Month(s): September
Day(s): 11
Year(s): 2001



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Airport: Boston, MA - Logan International (BOS)
Carrier Code Date (MM/DD/YYYY) Flight Number Tail Number Destination Airport Scheduled Departure Time

UA 09/11/2001 0051 UNKNOW LAX 12:55
UA 09/11/2001 0159 UNKNOW SFO 12:55
UA 09/11/2001 0161 UNKNOW SFO 9:00
UA 09/11/2001 0163 N526UA SFO 7:00
UA 09/11/2001 0167 UNKNOW SFO 10:45
UA 09/11/2001 0169 UNKNOW LAX 17:35
UA 09/11/2001 0171 UNKNOW SFO 17:40
UA 09/11/2001 0173 UNKNOW SFO 19:40
UA 09/11/2001 0175 N612UA LAX 8:00
UA 09/11/2001 0177 UNKNOW LAX 18:55
UA 09/11/2001 0199 UNKNOW IAD 10:45
UA 09/11/2001 0211 N463UA IAD 7:45
UA 09/11/2001 0223 UNKNOW IAD 9:45
UA 09/11/2001 0317 UNKNOW IAD 11:45
UA 09/11/2001 0420 UNKNOW ORD 18:30
UA 09/11/2001 0503 N314UA ORD 6:00
UA 09/11/2001 0505 N431UA DEN 8:00
UA 09/11/2001 0507 N564UA ORD 7:30
UA 09/11/2001 0509 UNKNOW ORD 10:30
UA 09/11/2001 0515 UNKNOW ORD 11:30
UA 09/11/2001 0519 UNKNOW ORD 13:30
UA 09/11/2001 0523 UNKNOW ORD 15:30
UA 09/11/2001 0531 UNKNOW ORD 20:00
UA 09/11/2001 0575 UNKNOW ORD 12:30
UA 09/11/2001 0583 N433UA DEN 6:00
UA 09/11/2001 0595 UNKNOW ORD 16:30
UA 09/11/2001 0701 UNKNOW DEN 18:40
UA 09/11/2001 0883 UNKNOW ORD 9:30
UA 09/11/2001 0895 N461UA ORD 8:30
UA 09/11/2001 0987 UNKNOW JFK 20:15
UA 09/11/2001 0999 UNKNOW SFO 16:05
UA 09/11/2001 1015 UNKNOW DEN 16:40
UA 09/11/2001 1051 UNKNOW IAD 16:45
UA 09/11/2001 1119 UNKNOW DEN 11:10
UA 09/11/2001 1153 UNKNOW IAD 19:00
UA 09/11/2001 1411 UNKNOW IAD 14:45
UA 09/11/2001 1439 N356UA ORD 6:30
UA 09/11/2001 1607 UNKNOW DEN 14:33
UA 09/11/2001 1685 UNKNOW IAD 15:45
UA 09/11/2001 1690 UNKNOW ORD 14:30
UA 09/11/2001 1789 UNKNOW ORD 17:30
UA 09/11/2001 1877 N556UA IAD 6:45
UA 09/11/2001 1879 UNKNOW IAD 20:00
UA 09/11/2001 1947 N435UA IAD 8:45

The total number of the records found for this query: 44

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Detailed Statistics > Departure Statistics
Departure Statistic(s): Scheduled Departure Time
Airport(s): EWR
Airline(s): UA
Month(s): September
Day(s): 11
Year(s): 2001



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Airport: Newark, NJ - Newark International (EWR)
Carrier Code Date (MM/DD/YYYY) Flight Number Tail Number Destination Airport Scheduled Departure Time

UA 09/11/2001 0031 UNKNOW DEN 11:30
UA 09/11/2001 0075 UNKNOW SFO 14:30
UA 09/11/2001 0077 UNKNOW SFO 19:20
UA 09/11/2001 0079 UNKNOW SFO 17:30
UA 09/11/2001 0081 N520UA SFO 7:00
UA 09/11/2001 0083 N402UA LAX 7:00
UA 09/11/2001 0085 UNKNOW LAX 12:20
UA 09/11/2001 0087 UNKNOW LAX 18:00
UA 09/11/2001 0089 UNKNOW LAX 15:20
UA 09/11/2001 0091 UNKNOW SFO 9:20
UA 09/11/2001 0093 N591UA SFO 8:00
UA 09/11/2001 0419 UNKNOW DEN 17:05
UA 09/11/2001 0425 UNKNOW DEN 8:20
UA 09/11/2001 0521 N523UA DEN 6:15
UA 09/11/2001 0545 UNKNOW DEN 18:51
UA 09/11/2001 0635 UNKNOW ORD 20:30
UA 09/11/2001 0637 N815UA ORD 6:00
UA 09/11/2001 0639 N450UA ORD 7:15
UA 09/11/2001 0641 N952UA ORD 8:15
UA 09/11/2001 0643 N7297U ORD 9:15
UA 09/11/2001 0645 UNKNOW ORD 10:15
UA 09/11/2001 0647 UNKNOW ORD 11:15
UA 09/11/2001 0649 UNKNOW ORD 12:15
UA 09/11/2001 0651 UNKNOW ORD 13:15
UA 09/11/2001 0653 UNKNOW ORD 14:15
UA 09/11/2001 0657 UNKNOW ORD 16:15
UA 09/11/2001 0659 UNKNOW ORD 17:10
UA 09/11/2001 0661 UNKNOW ORD 18:30
UA 09/11/2001 0663 UNKNOW ORD 19:30
UA 09/11/2001 0665 N942UA ORD 6:30
UA 09/11/2001 0907 UNKNOW DEN 15:10
UA 09/11/2001 1007 UNKNOW ORD 15:15

The total number of the records found for this query: 32

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TODAY I WENT TO DEPT OF TRANS AND THIS IS WHAT IS SAYS AFTER I DID MY SEARCH ON FLIGHT 11

http://www.bts.gov/xml/ontimesummarystatistics/src/ddisp/OntimeSummarySelect.xml?tname=OntimeSummaryFlightData

http://www.bts.gov/xml/ontimesummarystatistics/src/ddisp/OntimeSummaryDataDisp.xml



Summary Statistics
Flight Number


Airline: American Airlines (AA)
Flight Number: 0011
Time Period: September 11, 2001 to September 11, 2001

On September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight #11 and #77 and United Airlines #93 and #175 were hijacked by terrorists. Therefore, these flights are not included in the on-time summary statistics.








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KJF Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 12:42 PM
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13. They were scheduled...
... but they didn't end up getting registered in the BTS database. There were lots of threads about this some time back - I remember it vaguely. It's to do with the way flights get registered there or something, based on submissions by the airlines (?). One or two of the planes are apparently still listed in some database as existing, apparently because the airline hasn't sought to de-register them. I really doubt this means anything. Databases get stuff wrong all the time.
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