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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:19 PM
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What If Pentagon Is Red Herring And Is There To Confuse Priorities
Many here are familiar with the strawmen of 9-11 at this point. In examining this movement that can best be for truth, justice, peace and freedom, I've looked long and hard at strategy to try and optimize my efforts and make others more focused in what they do.

COMMON STRAWMEN OF 9-11

The pod and missiles at the WTC

Remote Control

Blue screen holography

Nuke in the basement

BASIC STRATEGY OF PRIORITY MANIPULATION IN PUBLIC OPINIONS OF 9-11 (perpetrators perspective and paradigms of conspiracy):

Consider strategy of the forces behind 9-11 and the desireability of having control over half of the events of the day. The well known benfits to justification by the strike on a military target for waging war, then ending up with half the control because the people are all controlled and the video of the surroundings are always gathered SOP anyway, so, almost complete control of that scene exists. One of 2 major events is basically totally controlled. Conflicting witness statements outside and inside The other, the WTC is also partially controlled in many ways over time but public occupation makes it less so. Generally over 1/2 controlled. Now take almost total control of what gets spread across the nation by media. Lots of control, like 80%. Good odds.

OPTIMIZE ODDS WITH TIMING (perpetrators perspective and paradigms of conspiracy):

Since the information on the pentagon is nearly totally controlled and the time of release of information;

1,) Provides time to alter the information
2.) Creates more intense focus on the information whwn released.

Releasing such information and relating it to media can greatly increase the distractive power of the information. Good information can be released that shows culpability but not critical in sucessful use of the information by those cultures controlled. Information of media, dramatizations of exactly what happened, distract again with sensationalisms. At the point just past the critical time, when the battle is won, the decieved group, who were focusing on insignificant information, realize they are were unable to identify what information was critical, but finally did so too late, because in the beginning and middle they were not looking for information that was critical. They were engaging the sensational just as they learned growing up in TV culture.

CONCLUSION:
Bad feeling about focusing on the pentagon, planes, pods and possible perps. We need to evaluate all the events and focus on what can be used to compel appropriate action.

Personally, and I'm sure all know it, I think free fall and the core of the towers is the very best place we can focus. The images of the demolition are ours to use and they are absolute in whatever they are. Witness statements are very consistent. Understanding the images and sharing the understanding of them is what is needed so that people will work to find some American that copied a 2 hour 1990 video documentary called "The Construction Of The Twin Towers" that aired on PBS. the proof of the tower core is in our hands but no one knows it is an issue.

Here is a page using raw images to show the steel reinforced cast concrete core of the towers as they really were. FEMA lied about how the towers were designed.

http:://concretecore.741.com

Realize there is no page about the official core which uses raw evidence, unless it misrepresents it (as defined by context of other raw evidence.)

Realize that no feasible explanation for free fall has ever been put forth by 9-11 web sites, they appear disabled in this manner (core issue behind it).

Realize that free fall of the entire building can be created by a small amount of high explosives at the center of the concrete if it is well distributed.

Realize that pulverization of the contents can be achieved in the same action.


So, if anyone can think of a focus for the 9-11 truth movement that is more comprehensive than this, more based in the reality, post it. Feel free to criticize this but have good reasoning behind it please.

It has been 5 years, time for something to happen
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 09:56 AM
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1. Well, they did start construction of the Pentagon on September 11th...
... in 1941. That pretty much proves the Pentagon itself is a red herring - doesn't it?

- Make7
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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 02:26 PM
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2. SEPT. 11, 1941, Exactly 60 Years To The day. Coincidence? Maybe
There is a whole lot we don't know about the human mind and such temporal/numeric alignments may mean more than we can concieve of.
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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 02:02 AM
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3. Just Think Of How Much Distraction Will Happen WIth Release Of Other
videos.

Every time a distraction is desired, simply release another video. If you think that the videos cannot be altered without us knowing it, you might be wrong. With very special treatment on a sub pixle level, the blends between pixels, changes could be rendered that would escape the ability of our technology to detect.

Perhaps they would even give up the truth, to avoid the exposure of a more sensitive truth.
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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 04:43 PM
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5. No, But Your Concrete Herring Notion Won't Stand Either. No Evidence
Edited on Sat May-20-06 04:45 PM by Christophera
for the core you always forget to assert existed, so by default it is concrete.

and, the notion of your attempt to dismiss the worlds most common building material in use which also can explain free fall does tend to prove your motive.

Protecting the government.

That won't do. We must salvage it with truth.
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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 03:00 PM
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4. If It Is A Red Herring It Is Working Or.........
there is a bumch of disinfo gaents making it LOOK like it is working.
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Bouvet_Island Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-20-06 07:43 PM
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6. I disagree
that remote control should be in that list. While unproven, so is any other theory for the maneuvering before the plane that hit the pentagon, did. It certainly aint beyond our current technology, on the contrary it is a much simpler task than sending a car through desert and lots of difficulties on autonomous basis. Particularly with military GPS you can get very precise results. If your theory is that Donald Rumsfeld was part of the planning, I would expect this to be the likely solution today, it would be easier, cheaper and safer than to use a human. Who could you trust both with the skills, insanity and loyalty to make the delivery where you wanted it?
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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 11:16 PM
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7. See Your Point-But Since Pentagon Is Herring, Remote There Not Currently
useful information.

I was refering to the WTC planes. If I had to make a statement about the pentagon I would have to agree, a remote controlled small supersonic cruise missle makes the most sense.

However, discussion on that at this time harms our movement because we can prove nothing and the speculation of a nature some find outrageous compromises our credibility. This is why I stay with a certain lie (gnarly mihop implication) about the core of the tower which I can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt to any who actually know about concrete and steel.
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Bouvet_Island Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 06:19 PM
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8. Then we don't agree about facts.
I not only "believe" but are absolutely certain the Pentagon was hit by a rather large plane.

I have a few questions still about it though, but I have friends friends that worked with planes and saw a passenger plane. I don't though accept facts myself from random anonymous people from the internet and I wouldn't expect other people to do so, I am just saying we don't agree about facts is all. I also would dispute that it would be particularly hard to remote control a 757 with military grade technology, we were doing far more advanced things in the 80s, making unstable planes fly straigth.
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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 09:06 PM
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9. Hydraulic Over Hydraulic Not Easy To Remote: Major Set Up-Testing
Low pressure hydraulic servo controls are difficult to remote. A 747 is already set up to remote, "fly by wire".

I've become aware of MAJOR inconsistencies in witness acccounts at the five thing and don't discuss it for that reason.
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 02:39 AM
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11. Remote control might be a remote possibility, but
dismissing it out of hand as a strawman seems a little hasty, whether the Pentagon is a red herring or not. This link is surely old news, but I'll post it anyway just in case-

Controlled Impact Demonstration (CID) Aircraft
http://www.pentagonresearch.com/097.html

At some point not too long before Sept 11th I saw an hour long TV program about this, mainly focusing on measures airlines were taking to minimize both blaze and toxic smoke so that passengers who survived a crash would have as much time as possible to evacuate the plane. They didn't just show the remote controls as an aside, they were proud about the tech to the point of emphasizing it. The later "Boeing commercial aircraft can not be remotely controlled" statement pegged my BS-o-meter so hard I wouldn't automatically rule it out in any circumstance. I don't know whether any much less all of the planes were RC'd, but it's a possibility, however unlikely.

Apologies if I tend to state the obvious as though it's not been covered many times before. I've been away from the forums for some time (political depression overload break) and tend to lurk at DU for the most part anyway, so the catch-up reading, including your posts, has been interesting. It's good to be back. ;)
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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 11:22 AM
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15. Remotes At WTC Do Not Make Sense, At Five Thing, Probably
We must be very careful about being marginalized. And because of widely conflicting witness statements it appears that the five thing is definitely set up to be a strawman, I mean the gov is holding all the evidence. The facts are completely under their control and they have many officials swearing that they saw a plane, of some kind, sounding like maybe 3 different planes, but that is not a point we are going to be able to test publically to compromise the veracity of the witnesses. We do not have the press to help us.

However, if we counter those witness statements with speculations based on logic, the press can point at our speculation without the logic and state, "Conspiracy theorists, blah blah" and ay inclined to beleve the official story will. We are far better of when we focus on absolutes that the official story does not address at all.

Remote discussion should be witheld until we have authority working for accountability with us. Remote discussion will not help us to get authority to address anything. Free fall and the tower core might, if we do not compromise our basic position.
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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 02:10 AM
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10. Was Hoping To Evoke Alternate, Better Focus For 9-11 Truth Movement
What will pay off?

What will make authority stand for lawful performance by the executive, or senate w/regard to 9-11? What issue will compel action? Which issue can we use as we are, where we are, whoever we are?

Bouvet_Island had some points about remote, ........ but that is not a complete issue. Certainly nothing that can be taken anywhere and used for anything. Another point that deserves authoritive, open investigation.

If you can't think of anything, it's time to conside that the images we have, and we have them, show us the WTC 2 core looked like this.



But FEMA says the core was built like this, multiple steel core columns inside of it.



If the core was made as FEMA says, why are no steel columns seen in the top image?

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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 02:42 AM
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12. The images that work for me are these:
1. The cauliflower head of the concrete pulverized in mid air
2. 3" of dust in the street
3. the molten steel pouring out of WTC2
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 02:58 AM
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13. My suggestion: the paper trail
* FAA records, including flight manifests which do not match the official story

* NORAD - record of lack of response or inappropriate response contrasted with as many other examples of where NORAD performed flawlessly as can be found

* Any other incomplete or inconsistent records and timekeeping, withholding of records, misrepresentation of records, destruction of records

I think Dr. David Ray Griffin (The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571 Page Lie) is on the right track. It's all in the paperwork. Find it, wave it, don't find it, bitch about it and refuse to shut up. Even Al Capone was brought down by paperwork. Government lives and dies by it, in this case perhaps literally.

It's not glamorous, but there's my ka-ching 2¢.

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Jazz2006 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:17 AM
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14. I'll put it this way....
Edited on Tue May-23-06 03:34 AM by Jazz2006
Anyone who is convinced of anything on the basis of a single ambiguous photograph should be at the Hugh Moran annual family reunion.

Anyone who picks three photos out of thousands and is convinced of a mass conspiracy on the basis of those three photos should also be at the reunion.

Those who assess the vast array of photographs and paperwork, however, whether they come to the same conclusions as I do or not, do not fall into the Moran Family category by default. At least their ability to consider the vast array of facts and evidence lends them some some redeeming social value, even if their ultimate conclusions are wrong.





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