Bush Knew About 9-11......LIHOP or MIHOP?

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/true911.html

Watch this flash movie, and then tell me why you think it was LIHOP or MIHOP.....

I get it. And I like it. :)

... endanger a whole school full of children, would he?

After being told of the second attack and the "deer in the headlights" gaze, he was so calm & even laughing! He had to know that he & they were perfectly safe!

at the exact moment people were falling out of the WTC towers. My mom saw those people fall from those towers....*sigh*

... "he didn't want to scare the children" to excuse his lack of response & action — I want to scream!!!

The families who lost relatives in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks would probably voice outrage on an ad campaign that use images of the devastated World Trade Center for partisan gain.

"Families Of WTC Victims Angered At Bush Campaign Ads
UPDATED: 9:18 pm EST March 4, 2004
NEW YORK -- Many families of the victims of the Sept. 11 terrorist attack expressed anger Thursday at President Bush's use of ground zero images in his new campaign ads, accusing him of using the attack for political gain." http://www.wnbc.com/news/2896142/detail.html

While they are asking to have his ads taken off the air which only show fleeting images of the WTC destruction, TBTM shows their family members moments before death?

Bush promised not to politicize 9/11, and he lied about that promise. There's a difference between political campaign ads using 9/11, and web flash movies that asks serious questions about the inability of the Bush administration to do anything on 9/11.

:evilgrin:

I'm not a scumbag running for office.. I didn't ALLOW those people to die in the first place..

I didn't stand on their graves and tell everyone what a great guy I was.. how I was a hero and all.

You don't think I shed a tear for those poor helpless bastards that BUSH MURDERED?

Sure it's shocking, but I find someone that sits in a school reading a book WHILE THEY DIED and DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT a Lot more shocking.. that guilty rotten little coward bastard.

If any of these were my family I'd be showing this on tv ALL DAY LONG..

and to be truthful they ARE my family, we're all brothers and sisters and being slaughtered, just like in Iraq, all day long by fascists..

I'm a Veteran from the USAF and I KNOW that this didn't have to happen.. I've been in Scramble units.. NORAD is LYING too.

I saw it months ago and was moved by it! As far as the criticism above about using people's death in your Flash, hello....this is what is so obscene about 9/11 ...the death of innocent people while our President and Government slept.

I have seen other work that you did and it is always on-message and very powerful. Thanks for the great work and for sharing.:-)

Bush should be held accountable.

By John Kaminski
skylax@comcast.net
2-28-4


Back in May 2003, a journalist in Portugal reported on a sensational, marathon meeting of a group of U.S. pilots that issued a report concluding that the story told by the U.S. government about what happened on Sept. 11, 2001 was improbable and unlikely.

Except for several notices on the Internet, that story was basically never reported in the U.S., and largely debunked when the reporter flubbed the name of the organizer, creating disbelief in the minds of many readers.

The record was corrected in stunning fashion Feb. 25 on Alex Jones' Prison Planet radio program when former Pentagon arms salesman Donn de Grand-Pre, author of three books that allege 9/11 was an inside job, set the record straight, because he was the man who organized that conference. That 72-hour non-stop symposium by a group of military and civilian pilots concluded the flight crews of the four passenger airliners involved in the 9/11 tragedy had no control over their aircraft.

de Grand Pre, a retired Army colonel, is the author of "A Window on America," "Confessions of an Arms Peddler" and his latest, "Barbarians Inside the Gates." His thesis in the third book "is that the wars we have engaged in for whatever reasons since the end of World War II have not only been unconstitutionally waged, but have caused a net loss in political power. Each war was waged to divert our attention away from the true enemy within, and toward a contrived enemy outside our borders."

de Grand-Pre explained that his third book actually has three parts: "OK, I've got three books out under the title, "Barbarians Inside the Gates." Book 1 was "The Serpent's Sting," Book 2 is "The Viper's Venom," Book 3, which just came out is "The Rattler's Revenge."

"And I'd like to quote from Book 2, which came out October of 2002. There is a very important paragraph there. It says,

"The trigger for the 911 activity was the imminent and unstoppable worldwide financial collapse which can only be prevented temporarily by a major war, perhaps to become known as World War III. To bring it off one more time, martial law will probably be imposed in the United States."

de Grand-Pre was the top U.S. arms dealer to the Middle East under the Ford and Carter administrations. What he saw caused him to leave government service and begin investigating the forces he saw warping our nation's future.

In the interview with Jones, de Grand-Pre made several stunning assertions, among them:

· There were no hijackers on the 9/11 killer jets. And he said the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (Richard Myers) agrees with him.

In response to a caller to Alex Jones' radio show, de Grand-Pre noted: "... the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs himself has agreed, there were no hijackers. There were no cell phone calls. Everybody aboard that aircraft, pilots and crew, were unconscious within 8 to 18 minutes after take-off. And you can take it from there. I've got it covered in books 2 and 3, what actually happened."

"These planes were being piloted by remote control, probably an AWACs aircraft taking over that airplane or airplanes or drones, unmanned drones. And flying them at 5 and 8 G-force that no pilot could withstand. So, in short, and if you read books 2 and 3, you will discover how and why this came about."

· The 9/11 planes that took off full of passengers are now at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean. "And I'm telling you that we are knowledgeably speculating," said de Grand-Pre in response to another caller. "Those aircraft carrying crew and passengers went over the Atlantic and that was all she wrote."

· Talk of a military coup - to reverse what he calls the administrative coup d'etat that happened on 9/11 - are rife within the corridors of the Pentagon.

In his various interviews and publications, deGrand-Pre has called 9/11 "an administrative coup d'etat." He suggests the only way the neocons can be stopped is by a military coup d'etat, and estimates 70 percent of key military personnel are in favor of such a step. But the possibility is complicated, he says, by the large number of key military players who have gone over to the Council on Foreign Relations team. Some of these players, including three- and four-star generals, however, may side with the military while pretending to be on the side of the neocons. de Grand-Pre insists he is in personal contact with members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

The truly patriotic members of the military have had to sit there and take all these wild schemes by corporate-controlled politicians. de Grand-Pre's prediction? "I think those days are coming to an end. The military ain't going to take it any longer."

In the interview with Jones, de Grand-Pre also asserted:

· It is common knowledge at the Pentagon that Israel fired nuclear weapons at Iraq during the first Gulf War.

· A commercial aircraft did not hit the Pentagon. Most likely it was a cruise missile or a Global Hawk.

· Flight 93, the jetliner that supposedly crashed in Pennsylvania after courageous passengers struggled with armed hijackers, was shot down by the North Dakota Air Guard. "I know the pilot who fired those two missiles to take down 93," de Grand-Pre insisted, adding that the order to shoot down the plane came from the Adjutant General of North Dakota.

· Most likely it was U.S. forces that tried to kill Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz when he visited Iraq recently.

· Military tribunals will try current U.S. public officials when the military decides to take over, de Grand-Pre predicts. "And Cheney, I reiterate, is toast." de Grand-Pre named Cheney as the one man who knows the most about 9/11.

In earlier interviews, de Grand-Pre has recounted that the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Gen. Richard Myers, had 500 copies of the 24-page report made and sent out, including, to the White House.

Assessing Myers' reaction, de Grand Pre said, "I'm quite sure that he believed in it. I think that he still believes in it. You can understand the difficulties. The civilian administration, of course, won't recognize it as such.

"There's a definite cleavage between the military of the Pentagon and the civilian hierarchy - and never the twain shall meet."

Jones triggered a response from de Grand Pre when he mentioned a 2002 article in the Washington Times that said morale at the Pentagon had never been lower.

De Grand-Pre responded: "I can verify that from Col. Dick Schultz, who is a friend of mine in the Joint Chiefs. Morale was not only low but he said some of the troops are ready to mutiny. If it wasn't for the fact that the government, the civilian hierarchy, has control over retirements, they would probably be blood in the streets by now."

When other news outlets began checking on this story angle, Jones noted that Pentagon officials were apoplectic. "... they panicked and flew the officers on jets to luxury vacations and had these focus groups. It even talked about a possible mutiny. People were just totally distraught. What would make them become distraught overnight in the Pentagon?"

de Grand-Pre's answer was chilling, and revealed the possibility of a military coup d'etat has been simmering in the corridors of the Pentagon for some time.

"It wasn't an overnight thing. You see, as I outline in book 1, and I carry that on in book 2, as well as book 3, we were on the verge of a military coup d'etat. And this was long in the planning and even after the 78 days of bombing Kosovo, it became critical. And we were close to a coup d'etat at that time. In my survey of the reports and the pilots who worked with that, a coup was a possibility.

"In fact, a coup d'etat was pulled on the morning of September 11th. Only it was an administrative or what we call a cold coup d'etat."

Jones' translation of that was "a counter-revolutionary junta."

de Grand-Pre concurred, and added: "And as we delved into that, we found that the culprits, including Rumsfeld, were part of a neocon group that had been planning this thing for literally years prior to September 11th."

In a previous interview that appeared on Michael Rivero's What Really Happened website, de Grand-Pre had already outlined his conclusions about 9-11.

"The 9-11 activity and horrific destruction of US property and lives was intentionally meant to trigger a psychological and patriotic reaction on the part of the US citizens, which is paving the way for "combined UN activity" (using the fig leaf of NATO) for striking key targets in both the Middle East/ South Asia and the Balkans. The goal continues to be ultimate destruction of all national sovereignty
and establishment of a global government.

"The trigger for the 9-11 activity was the imminent and unstoppable world-wide financial collapse, which can only be prevented (temporarily) by a major war, perhaps to become known as WW 111. To bring it off (one more time), martial law will probably be imposed in the United States. de Grand-Pre had also sounded the same themes on Jackie Patru's Radio Sweet Liberty Webcast.

"The so-called terrorist attack was in fact a superbly executed military operation against the United States, requiring the utmost professional military skill in command, communications and control. It was flawless in timing, in the choice of selected aircraft to be used as guided missiles, and in the coordinated delivery of those missiles to their pre-selected targets.

As a tactical military exercise against two significant targets (world financial center and the citadel of world strategic military planning), the attack, from a psychological impact on the American public, equalled the Japanese "surprise" attack on Pearl Harbor
7 Dec 1941.

But the overriding question of that original group of pilots was: If we are at war, who is the enemy?

The group determined that the enemy is within the gates, that he has infiltrated into the highest policy-making positions at the federal level, and has absolute control, not only of the purse strings, but of the troop buildup and deployment of our military forces, including active, reserve and National Guard units.

Read the complete interview of Donn de Grand-Pre with Alex Jones at http://www.warfolly.com/blockbustergrandpre.htm as it has not yet been posted on Jones' website, although there is a transcript posted there of his recent interview with former German defense minister Andreas von Buelow, who sounded many of the themes de Grand-Pre discussed. See http://www.prisonplanet.com/021104vonbuelow.html

de Grand-Pre's books are not yet available on the web, but more information can be obtained from de Grand-Pre Publishing Ltd. at 540-547-2996.



John Kaminski is the author of "America's Autopsy Report," a collection of his Internet essays published by Dandelion Books and featured on hundreds of websites around the world. For more information on how to get this book or to financially support his work, go to http://www.johnkaminski.com/. Or, to read some more of his recent essays for free, go to http://www.rudemacedon.ca/kaminski/kam-index.html






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1) 'de Grand-Pre noted: "... the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs himself has agreed, there were no hijackers.'

Just because de Grand-Pre says this is true, we're supposed to believe him? If 9/11 really was a big conspiracy, do you think the Joint Chiefs of Staff would still be alive after telling someone there were no hijackers? I don't.

2) "These planes were being piloted by remote control, probably an AWACs aircraft taking over that airplane or airplanes or drones, unmanned drones. And flying them at 5 and 8 G-force that no pilot could withstand."

You can't "fly" a plane at 5 to 8 Gs. In order to pull Gs you have to rapidly change velocity. In order to get the big commercial jets used in 9/11 to do 5 to 8 Gs they'd have to be in steep dives; the engines are simply not capable of enough thrust to be "flying them at 5 and 8" Gs.

Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.

The point is to get as many people to doubt this president as possible....use the same tactic that republifuks use....fight fire with fire...our country depends on it.

a steep dive by itself won't cause significant G forces, rather the opposite since it's near free-fall.

8 Gs seems a bit much for an airliner, but it probaly can pull 5 Gs during a steep banking turn.

"Don't believe everything you read on the Internet."

But i'm supposed to believe you?

point 1: no, but its a lot more believable than the official coincidence theory

point 2: the g-force quote was referring to some of the sharp turns that were made, not straight flight

how so many of this so called investigative reporters that find these cabals like the above article also seem to be closely associated with Nazi revisionists.

http://www.rudemacedon.ca/kaminski/1031-zundel.html

Letter from Ernst

Falsely imprisoned in the Zionist gulag, Revisionist hero says it's up to us to take America back from the brink

By John Kaminski
and Ernst Zundel, prisoner of conscience

Ernst Zundel still languishes in a Canadian jail, in solitary confinement, denied of many of the basic privileges most prisoners, even actual criminals, take for granted.

A true hero of the Holocaust Revisionist movement for his outspoken opposition to the official Zionist version of World War II, Zundel was kidnapped by U.S. INS agents in February on the pretext of missing a scheduled appointment (Zundel claims he knew nothing about it), spirited off to Canada (where he resided for 42 years), and faces deportation to Germany and a long prison term, because in Germany it is against the law to contradict the Jewish version of what precisely happened during World War II.


Plus a smige of anti-semitism

http://sacredearth.org/messageboard/47.shtml

Whoa, Nellie! Just because I happen to believe in that worldwide Jewish conspiracy doesn't mean I have to believe that the
little fruitcake with the funny mustache was a good guy. I mean, nobody made him invade France, Poland, Czechoslovakia
and all those other countries. Nobody made him preach a gospel of racial superiority (that now, very oddly, seems to have
been adopted by the Jews) and herd his little coterie of black-uniformed twits into venom-spewing, hate-mongering robots
out to obliterate the rest of the world.

Plus some general kookery

http://www.gnosticliberationfront.org/john_kaminski_page_2.htm

It takes the mind and logic of a Holocaust denier to come up with some of these incredible theories that we deal with here.

"al-Qaeda? Couldn't have done it.

"Mossad? You betcha."

It really gets simple when you get down to brass tacks. Someone, somewhere, has got a book they'd like to sell us.

I hope your right on that. The alternatives are pretty scary. :scared:

I mean, even the CT crowd has to put food on their family...

You notice that the thread about 9/11 books showed up recently? The earth has been plowed, the seeds planted, and now it's harvest time. If you liked the message board forum, you'll love the book. You will pay to know what you really think.

Holocaust denial is an industry. As Barnum said, "There's a sucker born every minute." Here in Nashville we're getting the world premiere of the latest moon shot conspiracy theory, Astronauts Gone Wild. It chronicles the misadventures of one Bart Sibrel, who chases elderly men around with a Bible, yelling at them to swear that they went to the moon. Having gotten his film of being tossed out and punched by former astronauts, now Bart's ready to cash in.

We are now seeing the fruition of the 9/11 conspiracy industry. This is what it's alway been about: getting the public ready to buy the book. You plant the seed, you tend the plants, then you harvest the fruit.

The alternatives are scary, indeed.

when you refer to people who ask legitimate questions about 9:11
as Holocaust deniers.

Why don't you take another look at Dubya Bush
and Karl Rove's grandfathers?

"The discovery of the Bush-Nazi documents raises new questions about the role of Prescott Bush and his influential business partners in the secret emigration of Nazi war criminals, which allowed them to escape justice in Germany," says Bob Fertik, co-founder of Democrats.com and an amateur 'Nazi hunter.' "It also raises questions about the importance of Nazi recruits to the CIA in its early years, in what was called Operation Paperclip, and Prescott Bush's role in that dark operation."
Fertik and others, including former Justice Department Nazi war crimes prosecutor John Loftus, a Constitutional attorney in Miami, and a former Veterans Administration official, believe Prescott Bush and the Harrimans should have been tried for treason.
http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=NN_Bush_Nazi_2

According to reliable sources, as well as our own Al Martin Raw.com investigation, Karl Rove is, in fact, the grandson of Karl Heinz Rover, the Gauleiter of Oldenburg (incorrectly reported previously as Mecklenberg).
Rove's grandfather Rover was evidently not only the Gauleiter, but the Reich-Statthalter (or governor, comparable to the Nazi State Party Chairman for the city-region), who was also a partner and senior engineer of a company which built Birkenau, the concentration camp in Nazi Germany.
http://www.rense.com/general42/rove.htm

Boloboffin is VERY WELL AWARE of these facts
and yet he chooses to cast aspersions on those who question the actions and motives of these two people.
Boloboffin would have you believe that anyone who opposes said individuals is themself a "holocaust sympathizer."
Boloboffin, I am sure that you know exactly where we would like to see you place that accusation.

Go back, and read what I said. I didn't say that 9/11 skeptics of any kind were Holocaust deniers. And what is a Holocaust "sympathizer"? That phrase never entered my mind, much less was typed by me into a post.

I said that Holocaust denial was an industry. I also said that the grosser CTs surrounding the 9/11 attacks are now proving to be just as much an industry.

Interesting that when I start pointing out how some unscrupulous people are lying about 9/11 for their own profit, Dulce begins to seriously misrepresent what I say.

What say you, Dulce? Did six million Jews die in the concentration camps of Nazi Germany? I look at the evidence and say yes. What do you say?

And while you're answering that, Dulce, how about a shoutout to John Kerry? Isn't he going to be a fantastic President next year? I ask this strictly to find some common ground that we can build a mutually satisfactory dialogue. Can I getta hellyeah for John Kerry, DD?

The two questions you have asked me belong in to two other completely different forums.
Go ask them there.

As for your industries:
http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare.pl?q1=Holocaust+industry&q2=Holocaust-Denial+industry&B1=Make+a+fight%21&compare=1&langue=us

Boloboffin,
we already HAVE found "some common ground that we can build a mutually satisfactory dialogue"
namely
"how some unscrupulous people are lying about 9/11 for their own profit."

And now let us return to our discussion:
LIHOP or MIHOP?

Why can't you answer them?

1. Did six million Jews die in the Holocaust?

2. Will you endorse John Kerry for President?

Why do you refuse to answer these questions?

My answer to both is a loud clear YES. The first is a sad, shameful fact. The second is something I'm proud to say.

Two little questions with Yes or No answers. Why do you refuse to answer them?

and the topic is LIHOP or MIHOP.

Boloboffin,
look down to the bottom of this page. It says:
"Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page."

Boloboffin,
please go to the Rules page and see if you can find this entry.
"Stay on topic. Don't jump into an unrelated discussion and introduce a barely-relevant tangent in order to bring up your pet issue."

Boloboffin,
please abide by the Rules of the Democratic Underground.

Why am I ignoring those two particular questions?
A) They are completely irrelevant to this particular discussion on this particular forum.
B) You are distracting us from LIHOP and MIHOP.
3C http://www.unknownnews.net/cs020602.html

It's remarkable, isn't it? Two very simple questions which can be answered with a minimum of four keystrokes and a maximum of six

Two simple questions:

1. Did six million Jews die during the Holocaust? Yes or No

2. Will you endorse John Kerry for President? Yes or No

Dulce refuses to answer these questions. She (or he) is determined not to answer them.

I'm sorry: did I say a minimum of four keystrokes? Make that two.

Two simple keystrokes is all that Dulce has to type to answer these questions.

1. Did six million Jews die during the Holocaust? Y or N

2. Will you endorse John Kerry for President? Y or N

But Dulce refuses. Dulce abstains.

You could cut and paste the questions! Just remove the answer you believe is false, and it's the same thing!

Why won't you answer the question? What's so hard about acknowledging the tragic facts of the Nazi concentration camps, Dulce? What's so offensive about endorsing the Democratic candidate for President, Dulce?

Why do I believe the answers are going to be N and N? Prove me wrong, Dulce. You have the power. You can silence me forever on this subject. You can declare your belief in the clear facts about the Nazi Final Solution. You can declare your allegience to the guy that's going to kick Bush out of office.

Prove me wrong. Answer the questions, if you dare.

Otherwise, I will be able to claim that you refuse to affirm the Holocaust, when asked to do so pointedly. Even Mel Gibson had to acknowledge the truth about the Holocaust.

Otherwise, we will see that you, a long time poster here at DU, refuse to support the Democratic Presidential candidate, which brings into question why you continue to post at a board that is dedicated to the election of said candidate.

Your silence will become deafening. Prove me wrong.

Y or N?

Concerning the Holocaust, do you believe Roosevelt, Churchill and the Pope were completely ignorant of a massive system of concentration camps in which 6 million individuals were being genocidally exterminated? Or did they let it happen on purpose?

Just pointing out how easy it is to villify when you play the conflation game instead of addressing the issues at hand on their own merits ...

Funny, it doesn't smell like a book ...

Speaking of Nazi revisionists and general kookery,lets not forget the Nazi collaboration of Prescott Bush (Brown Bros and Harriman) and the earlier CIA-Nazi associations of GHW Bush in the fifties in Midland Texas.

I'm just surprised to see a slinkerwink post in GD...

:-p

It's about the same difference, innit? The Sorry Bastard knew something was coming and didn't lift a finger.

:freak:
dbt

(Well, he did lift a middle finger...)

With evidence and proof so strong of controlled demolitions, and so little wreckage at the pentagon, and so many lies and mis-steps my our own government, I personally think Bush made it happen;

http://www.letsroll911.org/

But then I have only been looking into this for a couple of months;
I started out with plaguepuppy's site, then the WTC 7 site; Then the excellent slow-motion video's from the WebFairy.

I admit I got hooked;

http://www.thewebfairy.com
http://home.comcast.net/%7Ejeffrey.king2/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html

http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/index.php

who can we trust anymore?
Masterkey---

"who can we trust anymore?"

Beware of spinning wheels.

very compelling.

they knew it was coming ;)

I certainly would prefer to think of Bush* as a bumbling, clueless, incompetent rather than a calculating extremest who would orchestrate the deliberate murders of thousands of his fellow citizens for political gain, wouldn't you? Whichever the case, we need regime change in America, ASAP!:grr:

I've pretty much believed LIHOP all along.

Impossibility, as it relates to 9-11. ACTIVE assistance had to have been taken, in order for the events to unfold as they did.

What was this "active" assistance, do you think? Richard Clarke, who ought to know what he's talking about, reported that all parties ignored his advice and requests for immediate action and, basically, were just asleep at the switch.:shrug:

Several of the purported hijackers were allowed to remain in the US
and travel freely within the borders.

The FBI squelched Feild Agents warnings that certain individuals were seemingly going to use airliners as missiles.

All incoming reports of an attack were put in a drawer.

NORAD failed to intercept even one plane in the hour+ in which the event took place.

The un-President sat there for a full seven minutes after being told "America was under attack"

Cell phones do not work on cruising airliners, so the stories put out about the calls taking place were assistance.

The continuing coverup is active assistance.

That's just a few key points of the assistance.

So you think this current investigation is just a cover-up? It certainly has taken them long enough, which certainly puzzled me, since this was such a great national tragedy. Shouldn't they have wanted to have gotten to the bottom of it ASAP, with extraordinary thoroughness? I certainly expected this. Do you think a plane ever hit the Pentagon? I have friends who sincerely doubt it.:shrug:

They've been throwing tons of ice on the whole thing. The very few facts that have escaped can be counted on one hand! Just the cover-up alone makes ya think they had a very large hand in the whole sordid affair.

Did a plane hit the Pentagon? I'd say your friends have good reason to doubt. I have scanned a few pics of the scene and I find no evidence of airplane parts or the linear damage one would expect to be evident. Not to mention the unscorched grass.

Where is any film footage of the crash or of the plane, unlike the WTC? Plus, this was conveniently an area of the Pentagon under construction, so there were few pesky witnesses and ample opportunity to plant explosives. I have seen footage which contends that the crash site was smaller than the plane that made it. So what is the truth? Will we ever know?:shrug:

It just boggles the mind.:crazy:

but the Washington Post reported that in the eight months he was in office before 9/11/01, he was on vacation 42% of the time.
:wow:

and I think a lot more people are going to walk out of that movie firmly in the camp of MIHOP!!!:grr:

Government conspiracies are a commonplace in this and most other countries of the world. Five of the most radical right-wing Supreme Court Justicies conspired to put an AWOL/Deserter unqualified puppet in the White House. Some are easy to see (like that one)...other ones take time for knowledge of them to become widespread (9-11).

I just got off the phone with her and she said that she's planning to see "Fahrenheit 9/11" this week since it's finally playing locally. I had to go to another town to see it. I am almost afraid of what her reaction will be. At the very least, it will give her a lot more ammunition. The only problem is that it's playing at a dinner and movie place. I warned her that this is definitely not a dinner movie!:puke:

I just wish that everyone would see it. I cannot imagine anybody, no matter how much in denial they are, walking out of there without at least some serious questions. But, unfortunately, Michael Moore is mainly preaching to the choir. We already what is going on and how unspeakably bad things have gotten. It is so easy for Freepers just to dismiss it as lies, without even knowing what they are referring to.:grr:

I am somewhat encouraged, however. I live in a very conservative area and the showing I went to was pretty much sold out. And, after it was over, people actually applauded. I hope at least few hearts and minds were changed.:think: