WTC an albatross

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MUCH OF THE TOWERS' OFFICE SPACE WAS EMPTY. The towers were due for a "mid-life rehab," but building codes would have REQUIRED REMOVAL OF THE ASBESTOS FIREPROOFING lining the towers' ceilings and steel framework. According to Morgan and Henshall, "Such a job would have been unrealistically expensive and physically impractical, with no gain in revenues."
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http://colorado.indymedia.org/newswire/display/12797/index.php

The author presents so much information in a very succinct way. And, this article substantiates what some have been saying that it would have been easy to wire the towers with explosives prior to 9/11 (this is not to suggest that I completely believe this theory) as much of the office space was empty, and



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Thank you for posting this.

''In January 1997 we had about an 80 percent occupancy rate,'' said Cherrie Nanninga, director of real estate for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the complex. Twenty percent of 10.5 million square feet of space is 2.1 million, which would be a substantial building by itself.

But as a result of the last year's work, Ms. Nanninga, said the complex is over 90 percent occupied and expects to it reach the 95 percent mark by the end of the year. That, she said, would be about as full as the center is likely to get, since there is almost always someone moving in or out. ''Ninety-seven percent occupancy would be full,'' said Ms. Nanninga, whose name is pronounced NAN-in-gay. (emphasis added)

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F05EEDA1438F932A05756C0A96E958260

I find it hard to believe almost everyone moved out between 1998 and 2001.


Oh, wait, found some more...from killtown's blog of all places - reposted from Salon.
(you do remember killtown, don't you?)

"Although the twin towers were never seen as one of the city's most prestigious business addresses, by the '90s early shipping and merchant marine tenants from the '70s had been largely replaced by multinational banks and investment brokers such as Morgan Stanley Dean Witter. At the time of the attack the towers' occupancy rate was a robust 98 percent. Few if any of its remaining tenants had any real connection to port trade." (emphasis added)

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/01/real-reason-wtc-was-targeted.html

Any chance you want to double check your facts about the occupancy rate?

Sid

Sid

when you need him, huh, Sid?

But I thought the irony of linking to killtown's blog post was too delicious to pass up.

Sid

but, for me, also, it was too delicious to pass up!

:toast:

Cheers, Hope2006

Sid

:toast:

but remember these huge tenants sign long leases. It was probably signed BEFORE the technology boom. 10 years ago no one thought about high speed, conference calling or any other major technology going forward. I don't know how long ago the asbestos problem was discovered.

that would have killed the World trade center towers. Basically I just think they were dated by the time they were built and always had problems filling up, which is why building 7 had to lease to government agencies. 3 floors of 7 were empty still. Port Authority took quite a few floors in the other buildings, too. Strangely, every source has different accounts of what company/agency had which floor. I wonder why that is. i just got a couple books at the library which might help.

I just think Silverstein made out like a bandit because of 9-11

there was nothing to prevent a black ops group from becoming one of the tenants. Great way to get security clearance.

Besides I read somewhere that the CIA had the lease for floors 14 - 17 in WTC7. Maybe they didn't need space in 1 & 2, since they already had plenty in WTC7 to operate out of.

I've always thought the tenants should be looked into. Andrew Groves just came out with his theory that Marsh McLennon was involved but he didn't give much to go on. I noticed one called "The Baltic Oil Company" , heh heh heh. Then there's always Raytheon, who had employees aboard one of the planes. Purely speculation, but it has occurred to me that a big motivation of these attacks could have been the murder of specific people and the destruction of information. After all, the Pentagon was unable to give their 2001 financial statements because the people who had the information died on 9-11, that was actually their excuse. Enron info went up in flames, so did other investigations which have ceased to be investigated, I mean how much of it can be coincidence? Then Raytheon had people die, and I noticed that Marsh & other insurance companies had fraud and other federal lawsuits against them but I can't really get anywhere with it.

lawsuits...what exactly are you looking for? I am not familiar with the name.How are they involved in 9-11?


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Marsh+Mclennan++insurance+lawsuits%3F&spell=1

and quite a few of their people died. There is a man named Andrew Groves who claims they were working on some very shady dealings prior to 9-11 and the people who disapproved of these dealings were those who were in the towers on 9-11. He was told to make sure people were there bright and early on 9-11, for some reaon he was not there before the impact. But the man who is hushing up the financial dealings was going to run the meeting FROM HIS HOME on the Upper West side. Suspicious, no? He goes in to a lot of detail there is a thread here somewhere. But, also the government has a lawsuit for fraud against them.

It was posted on another thread for $88 TRILLION deficit but I thought this was interesting

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Bolten is credited as the chief architect of the Bush tax cuts as well as the hiring of another former colleague from Goldman Sachs, Stephen Friedman, to replace Lindsey as assistant to the president for economic policy and director of the National Economic Council.

At Goldman, Friedman was a fearsome strategist for corporate takeovers. He was co-director along with Robert Rubin from 1990-92 and sole director from 1992-94 after Rubin left for Washington to become treasury secretary under president Bill Clinton. After leaving Goldman Sachs in 1994, Friedman became a senior principal for March & McLennan Capital, an investment-insurance unit whose parent company faced a government probe into bid-rigging and price-fixing that has since been settled out of court.
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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/HF17Dj01.html

Sp how were they involved with 9-11?

The original argument was that the buildings were empty so there was an incentive to destroy them.
Once it was proved that the buildings were, in fact, nearly fully...well THAT fact becomes prove of the conspiracy. Full occupancy gave cover to black ops.

Everything proves the conspiracy. It's pretty remarkable.

never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Cheers.

Sid

there is no one "theory" - and there was never full occupancy in the towers, that is why 7 was leased to government agencies, and they still had 3 empty floors. Why are you angry about the imagined "flexible " theories and not angry that the government lied to us? Seems like a strange priority