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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 09:51 AM
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WHY DO YOU FEAR OLIGARCHY??? IT IS THE AMERICAN WAY SINCE 1913
What does Jesus, Cesear, Lincoln, Garfield and Kennedy have in common? Indeed, you will likely guess the obvious but there is more; much more.

Who profits the most from not only war in Iraq but also ALL war?

Why is money never "lost" but instead TRANSFERED during a depression? Who gains the most during these transfers?

Is the FEDERAL RESERVE actually "Federal?" What are it's real "reserves?" Who are it's true "owners?"

Last but not least, Why is a borrower servant to the lender? Why do monstrously powerful "lenders" suddenly need two new secret police forces in America? What does our immediate future hold?

Here is a true documentary, with NO PROPAGANDA, which favors nether political party. This very old video, which was copied so many times that it lost all aesthetic quality, will be the the scariest media you've ever seen or heard. It is free but with current changes to Net Neutrality it may soon disappear forever. Who REALLY pulls the strings of the Bush and Cheney puppets and why do they need TOTAL control of media?



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4991544789166784731
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 09:55 AM
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1. the true owner:
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 09:56 AM
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2. Why does Cream Cheese come in Rectangles, never triangles?
Why are cockroaches feared while butterfies beloved?

Do frogs have a point of view? Would they be liberal or conservative?

Who killed the electric skilling?

Do they remember that Lenny Bruce is dead?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:00 AM
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4. why are you attempting to sidetrack the OP, bryant?
What does it show about you as a person? If you feel the OP questions are inane, it is because you are uninformed. View the link in the OP, if you have an attention span of longer than 15 minutes. I don't mean to be rude but I suggest that you might try becoming informed, before prattling online.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:12 AM
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10. Well i'm at work so can't get it to come up
But i do see the magical words "International Bankers" there in the program description.

Hmmmm. International Bankers. Where have I seen those words before?

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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:26 AM
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12. where have you heard the term NEW WORLD ORDER before?
Whoever thought New World order was good to use in speeches was a fool that never saw the media in the OP. Once you understand what New World Order really is, you will put ALL the pieces together. Only then will you understand EVERY action by ruling neocons who are not Republicans in the traditional sense.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 09:59 AM
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3. How many people have you known...
that lived through the depression and what did you learn from them?

There aren't many left anymore, but my Grandparents' generation did. The one thing that struck me about all of them was that they didn't live on credit. If they couldn't pay cash for something, they didn't buy it. That included the homes they lived in. They stockpiled everything, including food.

I think we could learn alot of lessons from them. I see deep trouble for us in the not too distant future.

Anybody who is paying attention and reading the signs can see that those who are in power are doing everything they can to make sure that the gap between the rich and the poor will be further skewed. The vast majority of wealth and the power in the world will soon be thrown into the hands of an even smaller group of people. It is already happening.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:02 AM
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5. the depression taught them those things Virginia...
It was a harsh teacher but people, as a group, quickly forget.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:05 AM
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6. A few words about author Bill Still, right wing conspiracist:
Edited on Tue Jul-11-06 10:06 AM by pinto
By Chip Berlet
Senior analyst
Political Research Associates
March 19, 1996

<snip>

HLI (Human Life International) publishes and distributes books that feature conspiracist thinking and misogyny with titles such as Sex Education: The Final Plague, The Feminist Takeover, and Ungodly Rage: The Hidden Face of Catholic Feminism. As mentioned previously, HLI distributes the book New World Order: The Ancient Plan of Secret Societies, by William T. Still. The book attacks the Freemasons as part of a conspiracy to control the country through the issuing of paper money. The book is also sold by right-wing groups other than HLI. According to Still, his book:

"...hows how an ancient plan has been hidden for centuries deep within secret societies. This scheme is designed to bring all of mankind under a single world government-a New World Order. This plan is of such antiquity that its result is even mentioned in the Revelation of Saint John the Divine."

As the comment citing Revelations suggests, the battle against the conspiracy is the battle between good and evil. The back cover blurb of Still's book confirms this by stating that the plan "to bring all nations under one-world government" is actually "the biblical rule of the Antichrist."

In discussing the allegation that the Federal Reserve is part of the conspiracy, Still incorporates references to the Rothschild banking interests in a way that reflects historic antisemitic bigotry alleging Jewish control over the economy. Still's book is endorsed in a back-cover blurb by D. James Kennedy, Ph.D., senior minister of the Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church. According to Kennedy's blurb:

"Regardless of your views about the coming of a world government, Bill Still's new book will make you reassess the odds. He traces the historic role of secret societies and their influence on the "Great Plan" to erase nationalism in preparation for a global dictatorship. He allows the facts to speak for themselves, as he sounds an ominous warning for the 21st Century."

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:i4LinQGvpUYJ:www.publiceye.org/rightist/salvi.html+Bill+Still,+International+Bankers&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=6



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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:10 AM
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7. so why is this documentary the worst condemnation of current right wing?
I it because it was designed to attack NAFTA? CAFTA, is NAFTA on steroids according to several leading economists. You can't attack NAFTA without condemning current leadership in DC.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:57 AM
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16. Because it's extreme right wingers attacking their "liberal" cousins
I grew up in the Churches of Christ (the ones with no instruments and baptismal regeneration). We were considered very conservative, and so we were. We were fundamentalists in every sense but one (we didn't believe in a Rapture or a thousand year reign of Christ on Earth).

And yet certain churches would knock us as liberal because we had windows in our church building. Yep, that's right, we were going to hell because we spent the church's money on windows in our building.

There's a sociology paper or two in the use of "liberal" in rural America. It's my hypothesis that the current stigma of "liberal" came from this religious connotation, and infected the political use of the term. Side note.

So anyway, the John Birchers have always attacked people in power, whether on "their side" of the aisle or not. You have posted quite a fine example of this strange phenomenon.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 11:50 AM
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18. Frankly I'm rather naive when it comes to modern politics...
I would not have even call myself a "democrat" or "republican" prior to the USA Patriot Act. I've heard of John Burch and believe him to be a racist but I've never read his writings. Frankly, after your post I realized that the "documentary" DOES INDEED point out that the Rothchilds were jewish. It also offers a couple of quotes by Lincoln involving slavery, which seemed out of place in an economic study. I still concur that what they say about the Federal Reserve is valid. Before posting the OP, I checked the numerous quotes and found they were also valid. According to several sources, the Federal Reserve is INDEED a privately held corporation for profit. That single aspect blew my mind. I find other elements of the film equally frightening.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:12 AM
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8. I can't do videos ondial up. What is he implying? I hope it is not what
I think he is saying.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:12 AM
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9. I can't do videos ondial up. What is he implying? I hope it is not what
I think he is saying.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:18 AM
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11. I'm suggesting that an event is on the horizon that will make...
Edited on Tue Jul-11-06 10:19 AM by Jeffersons Ghost
THE GREAT DEPRESSION, look like a cake walk. The video, which now that I analyze subtler aspects, is likely by an old school Republican condemning NAFTA, is factual. I checked out many of the quotes by past presidents and found them to be accurate.
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:31 AM
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13. This got tossed in the dungeon quick!
Too bad. I was about to kick it.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:38 AM
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14. now ask yourself why
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:43 AM
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15. Hell, I don't have to!
Many on the DU are waiting for the Progressive Übermensch to swoop in and save the Democracy... As if we ever lived in anything other than a plutocracy which has been getting more and more refined over the years.

9/11 was just another stone in the long line of Haymarket Square, The Bonus Army, The Espionage Act, The Whiskey "Rebellion", the Dorr "Rebellion"...

Oh well...

It's a good post as usual, keep railing away. :thumbsup:
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 11:02 AM
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17. thanks... i wish I could remember where at DU I read it...
back then I dismissed the idea as "crazy paranoia" but I now feel the Federal Reserve might have known about 9/11. Maybe that's why the OP, which mentions NOTHING about a 9/11 conspiracy, is in this forum. I still would never suggest 9/11 was planned by anyone other than bin Laden, without strong corroborating evidence. Why is such a "general" OP in this forum?
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 12:06 PM
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19. It's not crazy paranoia....
it's just another inconvenient and very uncomfortable truth.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 01:26 PM
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20. the same points i intended to make with the film, which i now see...
was of right-wing origin, I can make with quotes by past US presidents that appear in the piece. It's those quotes that I checked out, which most impressed me in the documentary. My main offering with this is a warning to all. I'm going to research this topic much more if Net Neutrality issues don't impair my studies.

Did you watch the documentary at the link Virginia?
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 02:05 PM
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21. It was Eisenhower who warned us...
about the military industrial machine, it is not to be dismissed as a liberal/conservative or Democratic/Republican issue. The people that we should be wary of thrive on this sort of divide and conquer technique. They have for thousands of years.

I haven't watched all of it, I looked at the first few minutes to see what it was about. It looks like it's very interesting.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 03:34 PM
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22. when you watch the rest, keep in mind that it fails to mention Kennedy...



John F. Kennedy
vs
The Federal Reserve

On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. The Christian Law Fellowship has exhaustively researched this matter through the Federal Register and Library of Congress. We can now safely conclude that this Executive Order has never been repealed, amended, or superceded by any subsequent Executive Order. In simple terms, it is still valid.

When President John Fitzgerald Kennedy - the author of Profiles in Courage -signed this Order, it returned to the federal government, specifically the Treasury Department, the Constitutional power to create and issue currency -money - without going through the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank. President Kennedy's Executive Order 11110 gave the Treasury Department the explicit authority: "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." This means that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation based on the silver bullion physically held there. As a result, more than $4 billion in United States Notes were brought into circulation in $2 and $5 denominations. $10 and $20 United States Notes were never circulated but were being printed by the Treasury Department when Kennedy was assassinated.

"United States Notes" were issued as an interest-free and debt-free currency backed by silver reserves in the U.S. Treasury. If you compare a "Federal Reserve Note" issued from the private central bank of the United States (the Federal Reserve Bank a/k/a Federal Reserve System), with a "United States Note" from the U.S. Treasury issued by President Kennedy's Executive Order, they almost look alike, except one says "Federal Reserve Note" on the top while the other says "United States Note". Also, the Federal Reserve Note has a green seal and serial number while the United States Note has a red seal and serial number.

President Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963 and the United States Notes he had issued were immediately taken out of circulation. Federal Reserve Notes continued to serve as the legal currency of the nation.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 03:56 PM
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23. So what?
Executive Order 11110 delegated, from the President to the Secretary of the Treasury, the authority to issue silver-backed notes. All it did was change which department of the executive made the decision. Kennedy could have done it himself before; now he let the Treasury Secretary do it. It did not affect the relationship of the government and the Federal Reserve in any way.

Is Farrakhan's "The Final Call" really worth quoting on the subject of economics?
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