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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 02:15 PM
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Oil industry hits peak production (Dr Ali Samsam Bakhtiari)
Oil industry hits peak production
PM - Monday, 10 July , 2006 18:34:00
Reporter: Barney Porter

MARK COLVIN: A leading expert has warned that the world's oil industry has started to reach its peak production rate and is already in the first phase of a transition to an uncertain future.

Dr Ali Samsam Bakhtiari predicted on this program two years ago that the crisis would begin in 2006 or 2007.

Now he says the current estimates of oil reserves are grossly exaggerated and we are approaching a time when oil may reach $US 300 a barrel and demand will out-strip supply.

It may happen this decade.

Barney Porter has the story.

BARNEY PORTER: Dr Ali Samsam Bakhtiari says in one regard, the science is simple.

ALI SAMSAM BAKHTIARI: Crude oil is the master domino. When you tumble crude oil, all the other dominoes tumble, whichever they are. And that is what makes this peak oil so important.

(more)

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2006/s1683169.htm

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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 02:18 PM
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1. Thanks for posting it here ...
I hope it stays and people read it. For anyone interested, there's a Peak Oil Group here on the board - lots and lots of other information there.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 02:20 PM
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2. Don't worry, we have ethanol!
Oh wait, half the Bread Basket of the US is under a crippling drought, and the drought is now spreading. Besides, converting every kernel of corn in the US to ethanol will only provide 12% of our fuel needs.

Well, there's always liquified coal, but then there's Al Gore's movie showing us exactly what all that CO2 will do.

Crap, anyone have a horse for sale?
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 02:50 PM
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10. Not to mention that
we'll be using up coal a lot faster too.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 05:38 AM
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22. Then legalize industrial hemp
end of problem (well at least half of them). Legalize marijuana and we can solve the other half of our problems.

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november3rd Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 02:23 PM
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3. So, what else is new?
They can't say we didn't see this coming. We just preferred to let the oil companies take the driver's seat. So, they drove America right off a cliff. Everybody knows it's going to happen. There's no surprise.

Now everybody will try to use up all the oil they can before it's all gone. It will become some kind of sick American status symbol to burn oil like there's no tomorrow. And at the rate we're burning it, there won't be any tomorrow.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 02:26 PM
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4. Peak oil is bunk
Edited on Tue Jul-11-06 02:41 PM by MindPilot
Greg Palast goes into this in his book. There is no oil shortage and won't be for a long time. Obviously it is the oil companies' interest to make us think that we're running out so we happily pay whatever they ask.

Palast shows the original peak oil graph, the purpose of which was not to warn of an impending depletion of oil supplies, but to tout the sustainability of nuclear power. Then he goes on to show that the REAL reason we are in Iraq is not to take their oil, but to make sure it stays in the ground so the prices stay high. The reason Saddam had to go is because there is so much oil in Iraq Saddam could usurp OPEC's control of the market.

Remember the seventies? There was no shortage then either. Most of these researchers are on oil company payrolls; don't believe the lies.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 02:34 PM
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7. You may feel differently after you read this rebuttal to Palast
Edited on Tue Jul-11-06 02:36 PM by Barrett808
An Open Letter to Greg Palast
by Richard Heinberg

Dear Greg,

Congratulations on your new book, Armed Madhouse. As with your previous work, I admire your dedication in exposing the machinations of government and corporate miscreants.

However, this time around you’ve also taken a potshot at a target that I happen to know a good deal about and have been closely involved with for a few years—the efforts by a growing number of analysts to forecast the arrival, and prepare the world for the consequences, of Peak Oil. In this instance I think your negative comments about Peak Oil and those of us who study it are not well informed. Ordinarily I wouldn’t respond to an ill-considered statement by an otherwise admirable author; but unfortunately you go on for several pages on this theme, and I’ve started receiving e-mails from folks who are troubled by what you said. In my many years of fighting to protect our planet from environmental destruction, I have learned how important it is to make sure that our supporters have the most accurate information possible. Time and again, I have seen our opponents seize on internal disagreements as wedges in their drive to weaken and damage the credibility of the environmental movement. I feel the responsibility to help sort out the factual issues in this instance particularly strongly because you have worked so hard to earn your reputation as a truth-teller in these perilous times.

First let me make clear where I’m coming from with my critical analysis. Before you assume that, just because I disagree with you, I must therefore be secretly in the employ of the Heritage Foundation or some nefarious corporation, I should point out that in my own recent book, Powerdown, I take the Bush administration to task as vehemently (if not at so great a length) as you have done. And I teach in a program on “Culture, Ecology and Sustainable Community” at a small, far-left liberal arts college where you have lectured. So we are in other respects natural allies.

In your book, you place your critique of Peak Oil in the context of scathing attacks on the Bush energy plan and the oil companies’ enormous ongoing political influence. These are serious problems and you deal with them skillfully and entertainingly. But, in contrast to these subjects, the Peak Oil discussion is more about science than politics, and when it comes to science, catchy phrases don’t count; only a careful weighing of evidence does. I’m sorry to say that you don’t appear to be fully informed about the terms and history of this debate.

Let’s start with your description of the work of the late geologist M. King Hubbert and the study of oil depletion.

(much more)

http://www.energybulletin.net/17914.html



Richard Heinberg is one of the world’s foremost Peak Oil educators. He is the author of seven books including The Party’s Over: Oil, War and the Fate of Industrial Societies; Powerdown: Options and Actions for a Post-Carbon World; and the forthcoming The Oil Depletion Protocol: A Plan to Avert Oil Wars, Terrorism and Economic Collapse.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 02:38 PM
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8. delete- the above poster beat me to it
Edited on Tue Jul-11-06 02:40 PM by depakid
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 02:47 PM
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9. What Is Bunk Is Palast's 'Reporting' On This Issue
Which has led me to start questioning the quality of his other work.

Like if the intent of the neocons was to keep Iraq's oil off the market (a whole 2.5 Mbbl/dy), as he 'reports', why invade? The following graph shows their production was going downhill long before the invasion.

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 02:52 PM
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11. Yep- he trashed his credibility
Unfortunate- but as we know from the Truthout deal, that's what happens when you don't do your homework.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 04:11 AM
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19. Palast is so obviously wrong wrt peak oil
He claims peaking of oil production means that once the peak is reached, production will abruptly drop to zero. Not Hubbert nor anyone in the peak oil community has ever claimed that, rather the claim (which has been verified more than once already) is that the peak is followed by a period of declining production that lasts for decades.

http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2295/No_Peaking_The_Hubbert_Humbug
http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2297/Why_Palast_Is_Wrong

and a rebuttal:
http://www.energybulletin.net/16284.html
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 04:14 AM
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21. The 70's confirmed peak oil theory:
It was when oil production on US soil peaked.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 02:27 PM
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5. Truth or scaring us into making gobs of $$$ for themselves?
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 02:34 PM
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6. I'll take gobs of $$$ for 200, Alex.
The "authority/expert" in this article has recently retired as a senior adviser for the National Iranian Oil Company in Tehran and the story is being reported by ABC. Those two pieces of information mean can mean only one thing: LIE.
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dkos refugee Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 03:17 PM
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12. It's easy to take that stance
but remember US oil production peaked in 1970 and that is no conspiracy. And god yes there were a lot of people who refused to believe the minority opinion in the years leading up to the peak.

World oil production obviously will peak at some point, past present or future. This is a fact that no one will deny. The question is when. And more importantly, who are you going to believe?

Take a look at people who make predictions at least 7 years in advance.

Take a look at the following hypothetical people.
Person A, who predicted the US would peak in 2017.
Person B, who predicted the North Sea would peak in 2010.
Person C, who predicted the North Sea would peak in 1999.

Note that the north sea did peak in 1999. Like I said who would you believe? Well there are people who made such predictions and yes most of them are connected in some way to big oil. But does that mean we should believe people who are and were completely wrong with their predictions?
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 04:50 PM
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15. I suspect the truth of all this...
Lies equidistant between the two points of this argument.

Like everything else.

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Systematic Chaos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 04:22 PM
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13. Of ALL the places to move this thread...
the 9/11 forum?

:wtf:
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 04:30 PM
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14. Really, what's up with that? Don't we have a Peak Oil forum? n/t
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boise1 Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 04:59 PM
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16. or the Energy/Environment forum?
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 06:05 PM
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18. Unbelievable n/t
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Bushwick Bill Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 05:37 PM
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17. Get this out of our dungeon!
Edited on Tue Jul-11-06 05:40 PM by Bushwick Bill
Then again, some people think that peak oil and 9/11 are inextricably intertwined. ;)
http://www.oilempire.us/
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011805_simplify_case.shtml

Anyway, Palast was dead wrong on this subject.
http://www.peakoil.com/sample/
http://www.energybulletin.net/primer.php
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 04:12 AM
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20. some mod doesn't know DU has a peak oil forum?
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