Does anyone here really think Bush is doing well tonight?

but he is still being out debated by Kerry.

He is such an arrogant ass and that is coming across big time.

He's better, but still arrogant and an idiot.

Bush was so bad. Well Bush was at his best tonight and Kerry kicked his ass!!

He is Well Done. Almost burnt to a crisp.

is this a trick question?

No, he sounds shrill and angry and is offering NO positive message. It's all anti-Kerry.

He's still a Junior High School grade debater.

Last week was the worse performance in history so he's better than that. Compared to Kerry he's terrible.

nt

As far as I'm concerned!!! :)

Kerry has been at the top of his game and Bush has been his usual nitwitty, angry self.

I think he was doing better than last week at the very beginning...but then he started talking.

ha ha.

...and he's doing better than he did last week. But "well"? No.

And I love how his little jabs at Kerry are falling flat with the audience.

over his follow up question, and talked over him, then ignored the moderator's protest. I think he just lost his own election with that one.

He is making my skin crawl. He is lying, too. Is anyone keeping track of chimpwads' load of lies? I would, but I'm getting increasingly nauseous.

He just really BLEW it, Will! He was trying to decipher what John Kerry said about abortion, says he. If he had two brain cells he should be able to clearly understand what Kerry said! He's so stupid it's pathetic.

You know that Bush understands (yeah , he does, even a morAn like Bush gets it).

He just wants to paint Kerry as a flippity floppity undecipherabippity liberaloppity.

because it does not carry a necessary exception, then he simply is either not very smart or the most black and white thinker that I have ever heard of.

He is, after all, doing an excellent job of proving that even an insane, brain-damaged chunkhead can become president.

........but he is not better.He is jumpy and angry,he has lost his cool several times.

They love his tough guy act.

done very, very well.

Whatever they did with * to keep him from smirking and scowling worked pretty well. It must be some good stuff--* should market it when he leaves office in January.

The people who like his bully boy act were already going to vote for him,
and many others were likely turned off by it.

The start was ok but it was a huge meltdown from there.

But I think he's such an asshole, that I can't stomach anything he's said so far.

just because he yells .

And that is coming across loud and clear, fer sure.

It is almost painful when he whines, which happens frequently, and his voice goes into a hollow upper register,

Eeeeeeeek

PS - "Bring 'em on" The Yankees, that is.

Go BoSox !

The media will probably pan him on a number of his weak answers. Specifically on the environment and abortion.

And Bush was better than last week. Bush was shrill and defiant at times, which I don't like, but others who like the macho stuff do. I think it was closer to a tie. I wish Kerry had done a better job on the environment. He could have eviserated
Bush on that with more facts and he didn't. That is a totally winnning issue and Bush was not fully refuted. And he should have beenmore emphatic about the embryos that will be discarded anyway. It was mentioned but kind of got lost.

Last week it was 90 to 10. This week it is more like 60 to 40.

and republican husband agrees... it the usual talking points...FEAR!

but I think the meltdown will be the focus.

Tweety and Co will say he won even though Kerry got the substance right.

A hell of a lot better than last time, I will say that.

Heyo

format allows him to "look" that way. Kerry seems on the "defensive' to me. Also it seems Chimp is getting all the "air time!"

I know...stone me..but whatever is going on tonight is terrible. We need a SCANDAL...gotta have some help from outside after this debate.

But, what do I know. If the Press has decided the Chimp has to go...Kerry will be declared the winner and I won't have to worry about how he did or what the format was tonight that made me feel I was watching a Yale Debate with "Second Classmen" in a gentlemanly discussion of their differences...

I have my one ear listening while I type because I was shouting profanities at the TV and if I keep my fingers busy I don't throw things

I hope the press will be good..I look forward to the next debate..and more scandals coming out inbetween to give us more stuff to throw at the Chimp :shrug:

The loud, simpleminded lout, not the stuttering, confused lout we all saw last time.

So from that point of view, Bush is doing "better."

You watch!

nt

Hey Emperor, put on a robe, and go the hell away!!!

I think that the format suits him better but his grammar is so poor he looks like a teenager debating something he knows nothing about... this cowboy talk is JUST ANNOYING! Didn't Bush actually start the rant on Senator "KENNEDY" being the most liberal senator???? Or did I just imagine that... what a bumbling idiot!!!!!!!!

He seemed sober this week.

In fact, I think Bush is Kerry's new whipping boy.

Good one!

Oh, you were SERIOUS?!?!

His stepford wives and brownshirts will.

That's about all.

He is doing better than he did in first debate; unfortunately for Bush, John kerry is also doing better, and he was fantastic in first debate. So, a win for John Kerry.

Edited: I made a stupid mistake.

And never answered it.

What a tool.

I think Kerry won, but it is nowhere near the contest from last week. * is more better prepared this time. He also screwed up in the beginning, but calmed down by the end. Hopefully, people's short attention span caused them to turn off the TV by then.

he needed two things today: a good jobs report and at least a tie in the debate. BOTH OF THEM BOMBED.

And yet once again, we get the lecture about why we should be afraid and how the war-pres will protect us from the "Iraqi" terrorists, 'cause why kill 25,000 civilians unless THEY are a threat?

After seeing the last debate, if he'd have just stared blankly in to the camera all night it would have been an improvement.

On the Chimp-O-Meter, it was a 9 out of 10. It's about the best he can do.

He could be declared the winner because he did better than expected at this point. He even seems to have gotten rid (sorta) of the slur.

However, Kerry is also doing better than last week. Kerry was generally great. I didn't hear him on the environment and both their stem cell answers were crappy, but no one's gonna hit every ball out of the park.

freaked out look in his eyes.

I found myself wondering if he hadn't been so completely sheltered that he didn't know what Kerry was talking about.

Really, Will, at some points, it looked as if he had never heard of the points Kerry raised before.

Is that possible?

in triplicate right after I drive my hydrogen vehicle to look at the rapidly disappearing ozone layer in the clear sky while using my blackberry for multiple internets to look up the Dred Scott case...

and it's obvious he has that grin/smirk painted on his face from Karen Hughes--come on--Kerry knocked this one out of the ball park...

The "timber company" thing took me back some, but Kerry was awesome--

He kept jumping out of his seat. There were quite a few awkward moments. He was as defensive as he was last week.

I think the only reason he may have given a better impression to some is because the split screen wasn't used much at all (at least not on C-Span). His eyes were darting around and he was smirking as much as ever. He also laughed in Kerry's face at the beginning, while Kerry was answering a question.

I didn't vote for him in 2000 and am not voting for him next month, but if I were undecided his performance tonight would have made up my mind. He doesn't come across as likable or in touch with people at all.

Except that this week he lost his temper much easier. The guy's pretty much hopeless. More circular arguments and "terra" threats. It was extremely weak when he started with the "liberal" talk. It was cheap. He sounded like a pundit.

..at least, compared to the ridiculously low expectations the media makes for him. It's hard for someone to fail when "good debating" on their part involves spouting countless meaningless aphorisms.

yes. Of course Kerry tore him apart. And, I haven't laughed so hard in a long time as I did listening to * defend his environmental record. I truly heard the groans and screams across the country as he spoke about that. (Was his "accent" especially strong tonight - since he's in "Mazzoura").

But, I kept trying to put myself in the Joe idiot shoe who supports him and I think he did much better. Maybe the pundits will call it a draw. It's not like it's about subtance or anything. But Kerry really did wonderfully. He's staying consistant in his style and approach and engaged the audience. More presidential, I'd say. duh.

In the first half, he was truly frightening -- shrill, angry, raging. Whether that was staged and deliberate, or shades of his petulant performance last week, who knows. Then he calmed down, which was equally frightening for how quickly he was able to do that. If this was scripted, then I don't know what the message is.

On balance, he did pretty badly, and I suspect the fact checkers are going to substantiate this. Clearly his messages were pretty much intended for his base, for whom this madman can do no wrong. That said, I can see some people shifting in his direction because they don't understand the nuance in issues or that there are myriad reasons a senator chooses to vote for or against legislation, reasons that might have nothing to do with the overall value of a particular bill. So, for this audience, yes, he did reasonably well. For those of us here on DU or who are otherwise a tad more incisive than the average fundie, then it was a horrifying performance that bodes ill for the next four years if he wins.

because he didn't lie

his head-bobbing thing was annoying. He started to look like a bobblehead on occasion.

Did anyone else notice him grinding his teeth? It's a tell-tale sign of someone who's high on cocaine.

What I wished Kerry had jumped on about Bush's rebuttal to the abortion issue was Bush's comment about being committed to the sanctity of life. If that's the case, Kerry should have said, then how does he reconcile executing more convicted felons than any other governor in the history of Texas? If life is so precious. I suppose he's just referring to embryos. whatever!

Now this IS an improvement over the last one, but pretty much anything would have been an improvement over that. He's still no match for Kerry in terms of style OR substance.