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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 07:49 PM
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For the 3rd debate Kerry has got to stick to the high road.
He needs to talk about his plans, and not get into the mutual attacking of
the last debate.

At this point, most people who are willing to hear and take in information
about Bush's corruption have done so, I believe. Nothing will sway the
totally mindless contingent of his supporters.

I know Kerry has got to defend himself against the attacks Bush will no doubt
engage in for No. 3, but he should try to stay as Presidential as possible
and let Bush look bad. Bush will surely be acting out one of his many bizarre
personalities. Lots of people still feel they don't know what they're getting
with Kerry, and this is the last big chance!
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 07:51 PM
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1. Um
everything you described is what I've seen Kerry do in the last two debates. He answers attacks, he raises questions and makes assertions about bush's horrid record, and he talks about his plans.

He exudes confidence and strength and like my former bush voting friend sheepishly said "Kerry was more presidential than the president!"

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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 07:57 PM
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2. Often Kerry started out his respones by listing the failures of the Bush..
administration, a valid tactic but a defensive one.

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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:48 PM
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22. Defensive if spoken in response to a Bush comment, but...
if it's Kerry's idea to bring it up, he is on the offense. The debate is an exercise in control, communication, and intimidation. Kerry has already shown that he is not intimidated by Bush...he needs to walk away from night three leaving no doubt of who is in control.

I agree with you 100% that he can't be in "defense / response" mode. If he gets 1-2 minutes to speak and spends half of it responding to false allegations from Bush, he's not getting his own agenda out to the people who need to hear it.

I would say that in terms of an offense, he should do anything and everything his conscience will allow him to do in order to wipe the smirk off of Junior's face. This is the last time they will go nose-to-nose, and this needs to be John Kerry's night. I think his victories in the first two debates have empowered him to take this into the home stretch and win it.

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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:54 PM
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23. Your second paragraph....
made my point better than I did!

He's got to make sure his agenda is the focus of the debate.
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 11:01 PM
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27. Concise, to the point, plus, I fully agree!.....
Edited on Mon Oct-11-04 11:02 PM by coreystone
Kerry needs to neutralize attacks as soon as possible and turn them into his positive future agenda for the country once elected!
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NEDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 07:57 PM
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3. I don't agree
I'd like to see Kerry deliver a verbal bitch-slap that sends king * over the edge and causes him to start swearing on live national TV.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:01 PM
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6. It doesn't take much to set Bush off....
One of his most hostile responses last time was the "drugs from Canada"
thing. That should be easy to do.

A lot of people are turned off by attacks, and people feel sorry for Bush
for reasons not easily explained.
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:56 PM
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24. Uh oh, 5-second delay time n/t
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 07:59 PM
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4. One thing I wish he would do................
is attack "Bush's Brain". Let the American people know what a lowlife scumbag sit's at the right hand of Bush. There aren't a lot of mainstream Americans that know that much about Rove. A 60 second expose on KKKarl would do Kerry's campaign a world of good. People have to know what liars, cheaters, felons and assorted scum of the Earth that Bush surrounds himself with.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:02 PM
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7. Now there's an idea! n/t
Edited on Mon Oct-11-04 08:59 PM by Jade Fox
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:01 PM
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5. Kerry should stress being a "workable" president as opposed to
the self imposed out of work jackass that's in there now.

Avoid the words, "We have a plan", use things like qualified advisors such as... have recommended...1.,2.,3,.4.,

Try presenting Kerry-Edwards as a plan for the people, in place of people for George Bush's plan.

Say, " I will never try to hide America's fallen by secretly conveying the remains of our soldiers into barren warehouse's without honor." "We will all honor America's fallen."
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:08 PM
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10. I wish he'd also say...
"I will make sure that the Geneva Convention is upheld absolutely."
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Glenda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:27 PM
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18. I like that part about honoring america's fallen...
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:04 PM
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8. Kerry needs to do what he has been doing.
He has been doing a great job.






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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 11:07 PM
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28. That is so perverted.......NOW, can y'a post something to help me..
stop laughing. I am sure to "bust a gut" from that post. You should be ashamed of yourself!!

:silly:
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DemocracyInaction Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:08 PM
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9. No, no, no---you have to remember that the average American does
not KNOW what Bush has done to them and is planning to do even while they are living what he has done. Each answer has to be compare and contrast: Bush has done X and failed--I will do Y and fix his mess. the dumbest move Kerry can make is to let Bush's shit stand without pointing to the dung heap and just go tossing lovely flowers in the air and hoping people like them. It would be fatal. Listeners would say "well, maybe it would work and maybe not, but since he doesn't seem to be opposed to what Bush is doing, then it's okay to stick with Bush". HE HAS TO TELL THEM.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:13 PM
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12. Good point, but I wish Kerry would begin with what he will do...
so that he avoids sounding defensive and responsive. There has got to
be a way to make Bush respond to Kerry plans, like:

Here is what we will do. Explain how you will clean up the mess you made
or how you will stop ignoring this issue.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:08 PM
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11. No way, Kerry needs to slam Bush hard every single time!
Kerry is best when he's on the offensive, slamming Bush - this is not the time to change strategy!

He should attack Bush and tell Americans why he is the better choice. He much attack every chance he gets.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:24 PM
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17. What we enjoy watching (Bush getting slammed)...
may not be what wins over people who need to be convinced of what
good is going to happen if Kerry is elected.
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goodwalt Donating Member (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:14 PM
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13. Respectfully, I couldn't agree less
Bush is running for reelection with the worst domestic record since the Great Depression. Kerry needs to put him on the defensive and keep him there.
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endnote Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:16 PM
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14. I disagree totally. He should trash Chimpy
with strong, polite blows.
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Glenda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:31 PM
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19. Yup, I want to see Chimpy like he was the first debate
Although it might be interesting to see just how his meds are adjusted this time. I tune in just for that. Maybe he will start drooling?

G.
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Glenda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:35 PM
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20. OK, now you guys have me calling him CHIMPY
heh
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Lefty Pragmatist Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:21 PM
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16. The best defense
Edited on Mon Oct-11-04 08:22 PM by Lefty Pragmatist
Keep the focus on Bush. This is an election about how much people are pissed off at Bush and his messes -- that is where Kerry has been leading the debates.

The nice thing is that Kerry has been in control of the agenda during the last two debates. In the first one, he forced Bush's hand by attacking him mercilessly on his failures. In the second one, Bush had to spend all his time and energy recovering from the mistakes in the first one. Kerry can keep his momentum by talking about his domestic plans. If Bush brings up Iraq, let him have it with both barrels. If not, then occasionally remind the viewers of the tremendous cost of the war and how that money can be returned to the public through targetted tax cuts and through funding the services of popular programs that Bush has under-funded.
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endnote Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:17 PM
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15. I sure hope Kerry's advisors don't tell him
to play nice guy... that is NOT gonna work. Kerry has to make Chimpy nervous, bring the worst out of him...
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:41 PM
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21. It ain't broke--don't fix it!
The debates have gone our way mainly because we've finally convinced the Kerry camp that they're dealing with a bunch of animals and bullies, and that the only thing that animals and bullies pay attention to are BIGGER animals and bullies!

:headbang:
rocknation
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chrislrob Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 10:49 PM
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25. I'm torn on this...
Kerry leading off with an attack on EVERY response in the 2nd debate did seem to me to be a little...strident. But I like the "if it ain't broke" argument.

And as I've told several people, they will try to call it a sense of arrogance or entitlement in Kerry, but Democrats aren't the ones that are usually accused of being overly aggressive, and the nation needs to know, as we say in my neighborhood, that Kerry "ain't no punk".

And while I am also against the focus on making * self-destruct--Kerry should focus on avoiding the charge that he doesn't have any better ideas than Bush, I do think that his current course is a nice compromise--Bush really is pissed off that anyone would dare call him on his bullshit.
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RollergirlVT Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 10:58 PM
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26. debate three will be nasty
Domestic issues include social wedge issues and * will try his best to keep those topics at the forefront of the debate. Kerry needs to bring out * extreme side and expose him as a radical fraud.
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