Be Honest Now... Is Anyone You Know REALLY Still "Undecided"??

Or are they pretending to be undecided so that they can get attention? So that they can feel more important and powerful? Or are they closeted Democrats in a Republican family/office (or vice versa) so they mask their liberal (or idiotic) political views by pretending to be "undecided".

It reminds me of my first year in college when the closest I'd come to admitting that I was gay was to tiptoe around and suggest that I "might" be maybe perhaps "bisexual". Mostly out of fear that I'd be rejected and scorned... it suited my purpose until I was brave enough and secure enough to not give a damn what anyone thought.

I suspect that something similar is going on here. These folks who claim to be undecided aren't really... they're just playing that game because it suits some purpose in their life.

-- Allen

but I really think he is leanign toward kerry but finds it fun that it drives me crazy...I give him shit..I handed him F 9/11 and told him to watch it..so he plans to this week...

I am chipping away..but he swears he doesn't know..even after all I watch and read and know about Bush and what I love about Kerry...

he still says he doesn't know and it drives me CRAZY

... I think your husband is enjoying the extra attention he's getting from you. And he's probably having fun teasing you and driving you nutty with his "confusion". --- I'll bet he votes for Kerry.

-- Allen

try to find out and if he still doesn't support Kerry, divorce the son of a bitch.

...issues and acts like he's undecided and "unsure" of Kerry, but I know he can't stand Bush....He loves the "attention" and also giving me a hard time...I asked my Mom about this and she laughed and said to me - "Do you REALLY think he'd vote for Bush?" He's a retired Colonel in Florida and he can't stand Bush, but loves egging me on...Mom said he watched the debates and thought Kerry won both and that Bush is an embarressment....

Yeah, I think anyone who says they are "undecided" is either playing it that way for the attention or they are seriously a lost case that even if within 24 hours of the election they claimed they were decided, might actually change the second that they are voting, so who knows what their deal is....

Since you're in a state where I have friends who I KNOW are going over to the DARK W side (always there), may I suggest that you present an ultimatum to your hubby?

YOU know how to drive him crazy... Just tell him that's all off, until after the election. Tell him to find comfort with W.

He can either use his god given senses and vote Kerry OR give up using his senses at home.

Nuf said.

My family is democrat all the way, but one sister is married to a repub and her son is in Iraq. For some reason she thinks voting K/E will put her son in danger, yet she totally disagrees with all of bush's policies, etc.

It has gotten to the point I can hardly talk to her because she keeps saying she has not made up her mind yet. I think she has really already decided to vote for bush but she just likes to stir shit. My parents told me to leave my sister alone about it, she would just have to live with her decision if she does vote for him.

...if she wants her kid doing repeat rotations to EYE-Raq, then she should vote for Booooooosh. If she wants her kid home, vote KE04. Then, if she still pulls that undecided shit, you tell her, well, fine, both our votes won't count, because I am cancelling you out!

HOW THE HELL DOES SHE THINK BUSH GIVES A RAT'S ASS FOR HER SON?

Saw a W bumpersticker this morning. "Vote as if your life depended on it!" With burning WTC towers and a "W '04" underneath.

W is using dead bodied piled up to beat his way into another 4 years.

FEAR more years!

I hope her son and his buddies stay healthy and safe and his mom GETS HER HEAD our of W's butt! 'Undecided' MY butt!

I'm working every week to help our troops in Iraq and I don't need to here this crap from 'concerned parents'.

the same person anymore. I guess she has been drinking the kool aid. Our whole family has told her that her son will either have to stay in Iraq longer or if he gets to come home, will be sent back. And what about Iran & N. Korea - bush probably will not stop at just invading Iraq.

I seriously cannot talk to her about it anymore, I end up yelling. Mom and Dad have told her she is better off not voting if she thinks bush will protect her son and Kerry will cause harm.

Hell - my sister is such a Repuke she hasn't even talked to me in eight years. She could be dead for all I know. Money grubbing bitch. "I've got mine - so you can go to hell!" So I know some of what you speak.

It's amazing how little alike siblings really are. Big holes in the heart, nonetheless.

You mention of koolaid was chilling for me; I never liked it as a kid. My strongest memory of koolaid is the Jonestown mass-suicide in Guyana (sp?), in 1978. Seeing that big aluminum pot with cyanide-laced koolaid and the fly-covered, bloated bodies and the sign "those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" is too much at times.

That's how deluded I see so many people going for W. Satanic, almost, possession of their wills and minds. I've never been negative about a politician, the person, like I am about W.

I'm scared for US. I don't want the mindeless lemmings to push me off the cliff in their mad rush. Working weekly to help get out the vote for Kerry. One person at a time.

I can understand where your sister is at. Her child's life is on the line. For her, if she votes "wrong" she probably feels like it'll be her fault if something happens to her son. We are so brain-washed into thinking Republicans are the strong, military ones. She needs to understand all the terrible mistakes Bush has made, one by one. We went to "free" the poor Iraqis in Saddam City, now Sadr City. We're killing the people we went to free. We've lost hundreds of soldiers trying to capture Sadr, now we're negotiating with him. Bush is not a good military leader, he has no clue. These are political decisions, not military ones. Like Fallujah, not protecting the dump sites, so many others. Forget the WMD, he can't even run a war right. That's another reason I'm for John Kerry. He's learned the military lesson of Vietnam too. If it isn't worth 100 men dying, it's not worth one man dying. Battles are only fought if the goal MUST be reached, the battle MUST be won. Then, like Tora Bora, you send in your best and fight and WIN. No child will be asked to fight unless it's absolutely necessary and no child's death will be meaningless. Tell her that, and maybe she'll change her mind. Because right now, it sounds like she is going to vote for Bush.

about all the benefits of playing "hard to get."

http://www.therulesbook.com/

truly know some people who I honestly believe are "undecided". They are nail bitingly frustrating.

Take a look at the candidates, study 'em real close, and choose the SMART ONE. - James Taylor at VFC Concert.

I know I'm off the topic, but I just had to add that.

Anyway ... I suspect many uncecideds are what people in the sales game classify as the "Helper" personality type. They have their own opinion, but outwardly they can be pushed in any number of directions. They don't really consciously know what they think until some combination of forces demands they make a decision.

The first kind have actually made up their minds -- they just aren't willing to admit it to themselves.

The second kind call themselves undecideds, but what they really are is clueless. They haven't been paying attention to the election. They don't know the issues. They may not even bother to vote.

The third kind are the deeply conflicted. Like the Catholic voter who finds Bush unacceptable on the war and treatment of the poor, but find Kerrey unacceptable on abortion and gay rights.

The fourt kind are the professional cynics. The people who despite politics and politicians. These people are still trying to figure out which candidate they dislike the least. Many of these will end up voting third party.

he really hates the political game but he won't go for Nader! he agrees with him on things I suppose.(dont' get me started) but he would never vote for him..he considers that a wasted vote..

and I almost wish they wouldn't vote. I have visions of them in the voting booth playing "eeny meeny miney moe".

I was canvessing on Saturday and this old guy about 70 came out and talked and talked. Said he was undecided, but from what he was saying, when he stops and thinks, he has only one choice. I think he was just happy to have someone come to the door and would tallk.

former Bush (2000) voters who don't like what he has done but find it very, very hard to vote for any DEM, living or dead. That they might is good enough for me. In some ways they are being whipsawed in kind of an identity crisis. But they know they don't like Bush.

a single person who has any intention whatsoever in voting who is undecided.

and yes, Im working on them ;)

may the federation live long and prosper!

The people I know are split exactly 50/50, but they're all completely beyond argument.

I have no idea where "undecideds" come from. I suspect it's less regional or ideological than psychological -- some people just wait until the last data is in before jumping aboard.

She had been leaning Bush. The young neighbor who will be voting for the 1st time was over last night. I talked to her about her single issue. I think I laid some good groundwork, but her parents are both Bushies. She said she believes that Democrats follow her beliefs except for the one issue and you can guess which one. Actually we talked about a LOT of facts. I gave some things to think about. She sounded less judgemental when she left. I think it is tough to go against your parents beliefs. She is young and will grow out of it. But it might be too late! She said she was undecided as she left. About a month ago she seemed shocked when I brought up voting for Kerry. She said "Vote against Bush?". She isn't home much so I don't know if I will get to talk to her again. Damn.

They are having trouble leaving the cult and "want" to believe the propaganda against Kerry but they know that bush is somehow dangerous or lying. I've been working on them.

Thanks for pulling those folks along. I know how hard that can be.

One of them dislikes Edwards quite a bit but I keep pointing out Cheney and what he's done.

Tell them I don't LIKE either Kerry or Edwards. This is NOT a personality contest. It's about COMPETENCE. As James Taylor just told folks at the concert. "If you're having a hard time telling them apart - vote for the SMART one!"

Cheney voted against the formation of the Department of Education, against sanctions against South Africa and it's apartheid, etc, etc, etc.

How could you not have an opinion?

Are they just waiting for someone to tell them what to think?

Several years ago, my mother confessed to me that when she was still married to my father (back in the 60's) that she just let him tell her how to vote.

Can you imagine???

-- Allen

was her maiden name and she assumed they must be cousins. He didn't win. Mostly, they just didn't vote.

It takes guts to speak up and speak out and be REAL. Thanks for speaking up and being real.

but aren't sure they can vote for Kerry.

In my circle it's about 5 to 1 Kerry.

I'm at the point where I am "disowning" any former friend who overtly supports the little bushturd. They are abeting fascism.

I do know 2 people who can't decide between Nader and Kerry. I'm at the point where I may have to kick their asses. :-)

I'm pulling my hair out over here, dealing with him and my Bush-lovin' parents.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

I think 2 of the 3 will vote JK and one will stay with Bush because she's kinda a fundie...

Lower middle class, driving an old car over 100,000 miles. Probably not a lot of savings for retirement. Etc.

She doesn't like either candidate, though I feel she's leaning *.

She wouldn't talk politics cause her nephew is a young officer in the Army when the Iraq war started (he was in S. Korea at the time). You know you couldn't talk politics and support the troops.

Well now he's in Iraq and I think from talking to me she's starting to see this war is one mother of a mistake.

But I have a feeling her koolaid drinking boyfriend will talk her in to voting for *. A manager at work talked her in to it last time (Gore was for black people!)

I swear some people should just sit their ass at home on election day.

I live in a hard-core, right-wing republican stronghold. Many of the faithful are holding firm to their emperor. But there are some who are wavering. They are dismayed and confused. They don't want to vote for Bush, but are horrified at the idea of voting for a democrat, or, even worse, a "liberal."

I don't know which way they'll swing in the end, but they are definitely undecided now.

who frankly at this rate may not remain a good friend for much longer lol, who last time I asked was claiming to be undecided. She also claims to be a moderate. The last time I talked to her about politics she pissed me off so much I damn near hung up on her. She was upset when I told her the internet is a really big place and she can find unbiased info about Kerry on it. I think she decided to vote for Bush months ago and is just too chicken shit to tell me lol. Which is just nuts cause she doesn't like him either, but she won't seek out info to refute what she knows is repug mudslinging about Kerry. It drives me up the freaking wall.

~~BamaGirl

She says she's just not enamored with Kerry. I think normally she's an old-school protectionist conservative. Implicit in saying that, I think, is the notion that Bush* isn't her first choice.

She's an independent moderate and not a partisan one way or the other, though she is well informed. She seriously resents when people assume she is either uniformed or "trying to be different".

Her stance varies from issue to issue. She's against many of Bush's decisions and admitted to me that she believes that most of Bush's "accomplishments" (in her eyes) date back to the first year of his Presidency. She has some reservations with Kerry, but says she is leaning towards him. And, she did vote in the Democratic primary.

Edit: I've also met several classmates who've also said they are undecided. One even said in class that he felt that he couldn't make an informed decision and that he would not be voting.

-- and former * supporters, but everyone's decided now. Here's the breakdown:


Father -- Former * supporter, but only once voted GOP -- to re-elect Reagan. All other presidential elections, he's voted DEM -- but I didn't find this out until the other day. Loves Edwards.

Brother -- Formerly clueless. Supported *, is now ENTHUSIASTIC about Kerry.

1 Uncle & Aunt -- Were * supporters, BUT they're pro-union, and have a history of democratic voting. They think John Edwards is the "bees knees" and wish he was at the top of the ticket -- but they ARE voting Kerry.

1 Uncle and Aunt -- Split. Husband was trying to talk wife into voting *, she finally said no, but hasn't told him. He's voting for * -- nothing I can do. A male from outside the family.

Lesbian Upstairs Neighbors -- formerly not voting. After my eyeballs bugged out, and I suffered a near collapse, they registered. They will be voting for Kerry.

Neighbor two floors up -- Will not vote. I've tried everything.

Message Board Friends -- 2 GOPPERS. GOPPER No. 1 -- male, career military -- was voting for Kerry over stem cell issues, but has now switched back to *. GOPPER No. 2 -- North Dakotan, traditional, religious female -- army son, cop husband, influenced by militias. I think I got her to vote for Badnarik. And I support that -- it truly is the vote that is best for her. If MANY Goppers knew the issues, they'd vote for Badnarik, over *.

Friend in Seattle -- Wild Card. Votes in every election, but writes in some Art-Bell type candidate. Wants to see the whole system collapse -- did NOT vote for Gore or Nader, but some scientist guy in 2000. Bush has pushed her to the edge. She is enthusiastically voting Kerry.

Boyfriend's mother -- worked on her, but lost her to *. Husband is a millionaire former Boeing VP. On the good side, his other set of parents are FLAMING liberals -- environmental engineers, them.

That's really about it for personal contacts who were former swing voters. ALL of my collegues, friends in Iowa and Seattle, and my Mother hate the smirking chimp with a passion and will be voting for Kerry. Of course, all of my friends are either in an MFA program, OR they all live in Seattle -- so that's mostly a no brainer.

Most of the undecideds have VERY recently decided, though.

are strong Democrats. So I don't know any undecideds or Republicans. Since, I work as a Democratic consultant, all my coworkers are Dems too.

... at all. I have family members who are Republicans, but you can't CHOOSE your family. I can, however, choose my friends.

I guess that explains it.

-- Allen

are people who would normally vote for Bush. He fits their profile, says and looks the right way, but when they honestly evaluate things they find themselves in a delima. My feeling is the only undecideds I've met will vote Kerry or they won't vote.

I'm seeing the same thing, lotsa moderate Republicans who are either already going to vote for Kerry (or for the libertarian) and others that are conflicted between habitual Republicanism and the belated realization that GWB is a GIANT FUCKUP.

Is undecided. My Repub nephew who voted for * in 2000 is voting for Kerry, however. He doesn't really like JFK but he won't vote for *. :)

I spoke to a friend of mine recently. He's a regular guy, he doesn't follow politics/current events closely but is no dummy & is paying attenhtion now the election is soon. He's a default Bush supporter, but not a hard core Republican or religious nut. He was dismayed by Bush's debate performance and is (finally!) questioning if Bush did the right thing in Iraq. He agreed that Kerry was commander-in-chief material based on the first debate & admired Kerry's military service (didn't buy the Swift Liars smear).

SO I think this guy was truly undecided. The good news is that he's a pick-up driving, Harley riding Red State guy who is questioning Dumbass Dubya, the even better news is that I suspect that he will probably end up voting for Kerry (his eyes are now open.)

told me last week that he was undecided. Yeah, I find it damn hard to believe too, but there ya go.

Chiffon or taffeta? Judy or Barbra? Divine or Rupaul? Funny Girl or Funny Lady?

Now THOSE are things to be undecided about! Who to vote for as our next president ought not be one of them.

-- Allen

He may be messing with me, and is just saying that to create a stir. All it did was piss me off, though.

I read that a splinter group of the Log Cabin Group - who are Black- have broken with the rest of the LCG and decided to endorse Bush.

:wow:

;-)

so I pretend to be gay. Just online schtick. It's an online persona that lets me cut-up in the Lounge and take confessions.

-- Allen

P.S. Ya big nut! :hi:

O8)

They are legit undecided and several others not 100% committed.

I really don't understand the dismay. To me it's remarkable 90+% HAVE already made up their mind. Not even close to that percentage of Americans pay careful attention to politics, or pay attention at all.

An example: let's say you asked consumers to test drive and choose a preference among two completely different types of automobile, maybe a sports car and an SUV. Both equally priced otherwise totally different. Among a significant sample, comparable to a political poll, if you allowed three choices including undecided, I guarantee a similar 8-10%, at bare minimum, would pick undecided.

I can buy a car in 15 minutes.

say they're "undecided".

The last Democrat for President she voted for was LBJ in 1964. She's fairly conservative. But, she isn't sure how she'll vote. She's not particularly religious and she's not a neocon. I consider this a good sign. When scrubbie can't hold lifelong voters he's screwed.

...I don't know anyone thats even pretending to be undecided,personally I mean.Even my one sister who cared less about politics than just about anyone I know up until this election year has made up her mind,in favor of Kerry,sadly my other sister is for Bush but its telling,I don't get along with my other sister never have(thats why she is my "other sister" heh heh)because she is a pushy,ignorant,control freak...sound familiar?Anyway back to the subject I think alot of the undecides are having a hard time confessing there true leaning especially if its one that goes against what there friends and family want.Some of them however may just be those damn fools that can't make up there mind about anything,the sort that go to pieces when there asked that earth shaking question "Do you want fries with that?".

fellow parishoners...neighbors etc. They feel that there is no good option out there, but they do want to excercise their right to vote. :hi: