Just a Reminder: Hardball already "outed" Stolen Honor Liars

Chris Matthews outed them as liars on one of his shows -- you can read the transcript here: MSNBC Hardball on Sept 9, 2004: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5962170/

"Nonetheless, the former POWs and their filmmaker, whose documentary is only available over the Internet, have formed what is known as a 527, an organization that is collecting money to spread their message through campaign ads. It‘s yet another sign that the strong feelings over Vietnam and the political payback are not about to disappear."


Does this mean that Stolen Honor was made by the 527 organization? If so, that means it can't be shown something like 20 days before an election.

see http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40191

Red, White & Blue Productions is a for-profit corporation based in Harrisburg, Pa.

Veterans provided the initial funding of the film's production costs, the company says, adding it welcomes financial support for its distribution and dissemination.

see also http://www.iowapresidentialwatch.com/dailyArchive/SEPT2004/09-04-04.htm

Red, White & Blue Productions, Inc. is a for-profit Pennsylvania corporation. Initial funding of the production costs of “Stolen Honor” was provided by Pennsylvania veterans. Anyone interested in providing financial support to assist with the distribution and dissemination of the documentary can do so by making a contribution to the “Stolen Honor” Distribution Fund.

Contributions are considered sponsorships of the program. All Sponsors will receive a copy of the documentary in the format desired by the Sponsor.

"Stolen Honor" -- OUTED AS LIARS on MSNBC Hardball on Sept 9, 2004:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5962170/

<snip from a video introducing the show>

JACK FELLOWES, FORMER VIETNAM POW: We stayed two more years because of him. John Kerry, Jane Fonda, and all that crowd, the anti-war movement, I figure they owe us two years.

SHUSTER: But the fact is, the war stopped in 1973 when the Nixon administration negotiated an end. And history shows it was the lack of a settlement before then, not any protest, that kept the North Vietnamese fighting.

<snip from the transcript of the show>

CARLTON SHERWOOD, PRODUCER, “STOLEN HONOR”: Very simply—and I think you know this, Chris—There is a reservoir of resentment out among the Vietnam veterans, combat veterans, particularly, since what John Kerry did in 1971. And I thought the best way to tell this story was through the POWs who—there were direct consequences to these men for what John Kerry...

MATTHEWS: In putting this film together, what did you learn were the consequences, if you could accumulate them right now for us?

SHERWOOD: Oh...

MATTHEWS: Of John Kerry‘s testimony. What you know for sure, not speculation, what you know for sure.

SHERWOOD: According to the POWs, what they said to me...

MATTHEWS: Well, what they know for sure, if you can tell me what that is, not what they‘re speculating.

<more>

MATTHEWS: Wait a minute. This is very important. You told me a minute ago that you were threatened with possible execution, and certainly trial...

WARNER: Right.

MATTHEWS: ... as one of the possible selectees after the war was over.

WARNER: Right.

MATTHEWS: Did they ever say to you, because of John Kerry‘s testimony, you were going to face a possible execution?

WARNER: No. They didn‘t say that. They said—they kept pointing -

they just kept saying over and over again...

MATTHEWS: Did any other former POWs say that they were told by their captors that they would face trial, potential trial, and potential execution because of what John Kerry said?

SHERWOOD: Oh, yes. Yes. In fact, one guy—one fellow, Leo Thorsness (ph), is a Medal of Honor recipient.

MATTHEWS: And he says?

SHERWOOD: And he said that as a result of Kerry‘s testimony, he was threatened with execution.

MATTHEWS: And he was told by his captors, because of the testimony, they were doing this to him.

SHERWOOD: Yes. This is a—yes.

MATTHEWS: That‘s what I want to know. I‘m trying to nail this down.

SHERWOOD: This is a U.S. Naval officer.

MATTHEWS: Admitting his credentials to speak publicly. I‘m asking, did he say specifically that they told him that because of what Kerry had said, he was facing this possible punishment?

SHERWOOD: Yes. He said that.

MATTHEWS: That‘s what (UNINTELLIGIBLE) to know. Let‘s to go Ken Campbell, who‘s a Vietnam veteran who protested the war. And on the phone, we‘re joined by Phil Butler, who was a prisoner of war in Vietnam.

Let‘s go to Phil Butler. Could you tell me your years of captivity, Mr. Butler?

PHIL BUTLER, FORMER PRISONER OF WAR: Yes. I was captured on April the 20th of 1965 and released on February the 12th of 1973, just a little short of eight years. I‘m the eighth longest-held prisoner of war in Vietnam. And I was in Camp Unity, which was the camp that was mentioned earlier, I think, after the San The raid, from November the 20th of 1970 to May the 25th of 1972. During that time, I lived in room 2 of that camp with Ken Cordier (ph). And next to me in room 3 were Paul Galante and Jim Warner for a while, and also, Bud Day (ph) and Robert Shoemaker (ph) were in room seven of that camp.

And I can assure you that in Camp Unity—there were several hundred of us there—during all that time period, from 1970 up through May of 1972, we absolutely never heard of John Kerry. And if John Kerry‘s name was used or mentioned in other camps, I can assure you that, certainly, in my opinion, John Kerry has absolutely no connection whatsoever either with anybody being tortured or with prolonging the war in any way, shape or form.

MATTHEWS: Let me ask you generically, Phil, did you ever experience as a POW the kind of threats that Mr. Warner suffered, where they said to you, We‘re going to try some of you guys after this war is over, we‘re going to execute some of you guys after this war, and then show that kind of material, show that kind of propaganda, which for them was propaganda, testimony from Jane Fonda or anybody in the anti-war movement? Was anything like that ever done to you?

BUTLER: No. They never really used anybody in the anti-war movement to torture me. I was tortured numerous times between 1965 and 1969, for which I received Purple Hearts and—real Purple Hearts and two Silver Stars, and so on and so forth. But other POWs have, as well...

MATTHEWS: From the other POWs, sir, did you ever hear stories of them being told that testimony by people like John Kerry back home was threatening them or could be used against them in future war criminal trials?

BUTLER: Absolutely not. Absolutely not. I did not know the name John Kerry until quite a while after I came home.

MATTHEWS: Let me go back to Jim Warner. Wasn‘t there any scuttlebutt in the camp? You guys were all in this fix together, possibly going to be executed. You‘re all worried about getting home and wanting to get home. Didn‘t you talk about that with people like Phil?

WARNER: Yes. Yes. We did.

MATTHEWS: Well, how come he doesn‘t remember it?

(There's more; go read it. These guys get totally OUTED as lying.)

For those who would like to know what really happened in detail during the Vietnam War protests, by someone who was there, I suggest reading this 4 part series posted by Online Journal. For those who were too young to know this war, need to understand how history is repeating itself.



http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/070604Saunders-1/070604saunders-1.html


"Combat by Trial: A History of 20th Century Winter Soldiers."
Nancy Miller Saunders

"Although I am not a veteran, I worked closely with VVAW for its four most important years, 1970-1973, and won the trust of many of its members. As a measure of their trust, they gave me their stories to tell. This I have done in a yet-to-be-published book, "Combat by Trial: A History of 20th Century Winter Soldiers." The book will not be published before the election, so Online Journal has generously agreed to publish excerpts, in four parts, that focus on issues important to the election: the character of the veterans in VVAW, which Republicans have been denigrating, and the veterans' reasons for joining VVAW. —Nancy Miller Saunders"