What to tell your right-wing friends

The Supreme Court is very unlikely to want to pick up the abortion hot potato again. The right is deluding people to suggest they would. And even if they do, they'd be unlikely to entirely reverse Roe V. Wade. And even if they DO THAT, they'd merely hand it to the states. Then the states would have to individually act to outlaw abortion, which is very unlikely. And even if THAT happens, mking abortion illegal won't make it go away. It'll still happen - just underground and just over the Canadian and Mexican borders.

So, please, folks, let's not all vote based on the delusion that Bush and the USSC will end abortion.

That's what makes this election so important.

The last time it came up the vote 5-4.

I read an article the other day saying something like 30 states already have laws on the books, or could move very quickly to make abortion illegal if Roe is overturned.

the SCOTUS almost overturned Roe in the 90s. Luckily, Justice Kennedy decided to switch his vote in favor of allowing for choice.

Many states (about 20, I think) currently have laws that say as soon as abortion is made a state choice abortion will be illegal in the state. No further legislation would be needed.

So you're right in saying abortion will still be illegal, just underground. But I think the court would readily pick up the abortion issue again if it thought it could get 5 votes.

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-- and I'm not voting because of abortion, alone -- my number one issue is that the FUNDIE FUCKING WHACK-A-MOLES don't get to ride roughshod over the Constitution. Did you know that better than 30 percent of Evangelicals, and a quarter of fundies believe that the LITERAL events in Revelation will play out WITHIN THEIR LIFETIME.

This is the GOP base. Fucking delusional people.

Could work in our favor.

Here's what I tell them:

"Since Roe v Wade, the Republican Party has staked the claim that they're going to nominate Supreme Court justices who will strike-down the ruling. Since Roe, Republicans have been able to name 7 of the 9 sitting Supreme Court justices. And yet, despite these appointments, these Republican judges continue to prop-up Roe.

"If you were to actually read the US Constitution, you'd see that it says nothing about fetus' rights. Look-up the Fourteenth Amendment. It says that 'all persons born or naturalized' are entitled to rights under the law. It says nothing about 'all persons conceived..' A person isn't legally born until they get those Social Security numbers. Most judges that Republicans appoint get to the bench, look at the law (not their Bibles), and admit that they've got nothin'. Meanwhile, the Constitution explicitly guarantees the right to pursue happiness; so we can reasonably conclude that, as far as the text of the law goes, the mother definitely has more rights, seeing as how the fetus has none.

"Not that the Republican Party really minds, of coure. You know why? When Roe is struck-down, the Republicans lose a vital wedge issue. No longer will they be able to count on millions of brainless one-issue fundmentalist voters showing-up on election day. Add to that a loss of moderate female Republicans, and the party would see their power gone for at least a decade. So, in essance, you're being used. While you keep voting gullibly on faith, election after election, they're raping you economically. And then you wonder why things in this country aren't better. Hmmm.."

My great aunt, who is usually silent on political issues, was nodding and smiling at me at the end. And my fundie relatives were horrified, and with no real answers. 'Twas a good holiday.. :D

And the threat is real. Just one more vote on the SCOTUS could overturn Roe v. Wade.