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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 10:20 PM
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Remember this? Was This Column The Turning Point In The 2004 Campaign?
Ok with two debates down we are all feeling more comfortable with JFK. I certainly am... when I watched the first debate it was like watching a horrible inpenetrable mist lit in front of me. At last here was a candidate who looked like he would win, kicking Bush where I would want to kick him, but politely, diplomatically, with style...

Then remember just four weeks earlier what a horrible hole we were all in.. swift boat vets and Awol bush seemed to be the only subjects anyone could talk about. Iraq wasn't officially on the DLC election agenda. Then there was the series of horribly skewed polls. Seemingly calculated to kick us all in the teeth. Times were indeedy not happy back then.

But when did it all change?

Personally I have a theory I want to test and I wonder if others agree...

Remember this...

Paul Krugman: Taking On the Myth
Sept 14th
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091504E.shtml

"And the losses aren't only in Iraq. Al Qaeda has regrouped. The invasion of Iraq, intended to demonstrate American power, has done just the opposite: nasty regimes around the world feel empowered now that our forces are bogged down. When a Times reporter asked Mr. Bush about North Korea's ongoing nuclear program, "he opened his palms and shrugged."

Yet many voters still believe that Mr. Bush is doing a good job protecting America.

If Senator John Kerry really has advisers telling him not to attack Mr. Bush on national security, he should dump them. When Dick Cheney is saying vote Bush or die, responding with speeches about jobs and health care doesn't cut it. "


I think that column was the turning point. Take this quote.

"In early 2002 the Bush administration, already focused on Iraq, ignored pleas to commit more forces to Afghanistan. As a result, the Taliban is resurgent, and Osama is still out there. "


This is now the primary line of attack of the Kerry campaign from what I can see...

In order to look closer I had a look at the Kerry campaign adverts. Have a look for yourself...

Before

Sept 8
http://www.johnkerry.com/video/player.php?video=090804_wrong_choices
Sept 5
http://www.johnkerry.com//video/player.php?video=091604_not_true

After..

Sept 16
http://www.johnkerry.com/video/player.php?video=091604_not_true
Sept 17
http://www.johnkerry.com/video/player.php?video=091704_cheney_halliburton
Sept 19
http://www.johnkerry.com//video/console.php?video=091904_defend_america#091904_defend_america

Was this column the turning point?
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 11:05 PM
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1. no theories yet... perhaps I should post in GD...
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 06:00 AM
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8. We think alike; Krugman is always dead on......

And he was right again. Also, I posted Krug's paragraph re. "dumping" the advisors to the DU board the next day and was alternately ignored and mildly flamed by the " don't be critical of JK or the Dem braintrust in any way" crowd.

Haven't these folks ever heard of learning from constructive criticism? I don't get them.

Good post.

Paul
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RafterMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 11:17 PM
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2. This was the primary argument
of Wes Clark and Bob Graham. From before the war.

I'm glad Kerry is using it (because it's true), but it didn't come from Krugman's column.
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cheshire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 11:19 PM
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3. It certainly backs up Kerry. But I hesitate to give all the credit to one
story.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 11:29 PM
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4. Fair enough...
I am not suggesting that Krugman invented the ideas... just that the Kerry campaign changed direction at precisely that time.... and I think this column was the cathartic moment... have a look at the campaign ads... suddenly they get attitude...

If you recall Kerry was getting sick of his advice not to attack the swift boat f**ers. I think there were some shouting matches reported in the washpost and NYT at campaign HQ..
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 11:32 PM
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5. Cocaine at Camp David
That was the beginning. Once that story started to circulate, J/E started smacking him when he was down.

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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 11:39 PM
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6. Kitty kelly was the turning point.... I think not
Edited on Tue Oct-12-04 11:41 PM by althecat
That said.... her book did come out on the same date... so it occurred at the same time... :)
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 02:54 AM
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7. Thanks for the links & post, Althecat....Kerry is finding his "sea legs"
in this race, and I believe he's going to run with the "truth" that the American people NEED TO HEAR, and are starving to hear. There has been such a reality disconnect ever since 9/11, and so many people know it, intuitively. They've just needed a LEADER to get hold of some press time and TELL 'em the truth!

There's another HUGE truth out there that needs to be said, and I wish Kerry would say it:

The "War on Terror" is a bush/media/republican/military-industrial complex created hysteria. The American people need to be comforted. They need to be given a NEW perspective on the world they live in. They need the voice of SANITY to intrude on their nightmare.

The bush "leadership" fanned flames under the tragedy of the WTC attacks. There were 19....NINETEEN....individuals, with the equivalent of "mob" connections, that have been ALLOWED power over the world, thanks to the hysterical neocons. Our soldiers, and thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens, are ALL DEAD because of the neocon reaction to 9/11.

Theirs was NOT THE PROPER WAY to respond. You can't "BOMB" a "terrorist country". There are no "terrorist countries". There are criminals in EVERY country, and there are countries that are different, and less Democratic, than we are. But nobody goes around bombing the ghettos in America simply because there are criminals who live there, much less taking over the U.S. government because Timothy McVeigh bombed a building in Oklahoma.

Bush, and the people he surrounds himself with, have ALL profited politically by whipping the American public into a war frenzy, due to 19 MEN WITH BOX-CUTTERS. Terrorism was no bigger on 9/11 than it was in the 1993 WTC attack. The perpetrators killed more people and destroyed more property this time, and had they lived, they should have been convicted and severely punished. New security measures and security personnel should have been instituted, and new ways devised to PROTECT our freedoms, NOT take them away. Why have the American people been PUNISHED by the same administration that didn't guard our skies and borders?

In other words, Bush has done a horrible disservice to Americans in the way he handled the ENTIRE tragedy. He has used it to exploit Americans, to make money for his corporate supporters, and has used it to destabilize our country much further. A REAL leader would have sought to stabilize people and calm the hysteria, rather than exploit it.

Kerry needs to step in and call bush's bluff on this charade, and lay the blame at bush's feet for creating new terrorists, and terrorist sympathizers, in the Mideast since 9/11, rather than responding appropriately to the attacks in the first place.

19 men with box cutters is NOT a country invading our shores. I wish people with this insane mindset would get a GRIP!!!!

I wish Krugman could have pointed this out, too, to help get some perspective on how OUTRAGEOUS bush's behavior has been.

:kick::kick::kick:
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 04:18 PM
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9. Thankyou for the nice comments Loudsue
I agree with you about the war on terror in fact I am even more suspicious about the origins of 9/11 than you are I suspect. But that said I think the US public can only take so much truth in advance of the election.... too much truth and they may get a little confused.... :)
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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 04:21 PM
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10. that, and...
...the conversation he had with Clinton right before Clinton's surgery. Clinton apparently told Kerry to quit talking about Nam and go after the little pissant chimp about Iraq, and be relentless.
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IIgnoreNobody Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 04:34 PM
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11. Kerry was saying this when Tora Bora happened and ever since.
Hey Paul Krugman's great, but you're giving him more credit than he deserves.

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