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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:08 PM
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Dean Says He Admired First President Bush
Howard Dean expresses admiration for President Bush (website/newsbio)'s father in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine, but says the current president's "obsession with re-election is hurting the country."

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0104/118292.html
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:09 PM
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1. Dean is a Freeper?
That's terrible.
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Printer70 Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:10 PM
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52. Best you got?
The problem with making irrational criticisms is that they reflect poorly on your candidate. People appreciate honest, measured criticism ...not uncredible, cheap-shots.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:09 PM
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2. BAWHAHHAWAWW!
Oh, I can't wait for the Dean supporters to start apologizing
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Tweed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:11 PM
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6. Dean's a Republican
Anyone who has ever said anything good about one Republican must be a Republican and can't be trusted ever on anything! :eyes:
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mikewriter Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:34 PM
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30. I wouldn't go that far
We could also say that about Clark
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:43 PM
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39. Did you see the rolling eyes in the post above?
The poster was being sarcastic.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:39 PM
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35. I have indirect republican connections too...
Edited on Mon Jan-12-04 08:40 PM by liberalnurse
I always wanted Bush I to stay safe. Here is my cousin's web site.

Click in Executive Protection Service....


http://www.axissecurity.com/

photo's of a hero.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:11 PM
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7. Apologize for what?
Clark is a republican, YOU should be apologizing to us.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:13 PM
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9. The &*#$@@$# hypocrisy around here, that would be a start
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:14 PM
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12. Well if that isn't the pot
calling the kettle black. :eyes:
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:15 PM
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16. Which candidate is it that has roundly
been attacked for some kind words in a speech about repukes???>>?>?<>?!@!#@#@#$##@
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:21 PM
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21. Not just any repuke
Nearly the entire current Bush admin...

At a republican fundraiser...
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:23 PM
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25. And the hypocrisy continues!
:puke:
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:39 PM
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34. Quit *&$^%#@&#%$%^
at me. :eyes:
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:41 PM
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37. Well ok, but I wanted to make a point
no offense I hope.

:)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:37 PM
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:45 PM
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41. You may need to call the good doctor.....
or just go to his web site.....


www.deanforamerica.com

You will feel so much better after getting the "cure".
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:51 PM
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46. Can't you just diagnose him from a distance like you did for Clark? n/t
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:57 PM
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49. LOL! n/t
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:10 PM
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3. Hey, I've heard that before
B-)
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:11 PM
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4. I have, too!
Edited on Mon Jan-12-04 08:12 PM by goobergunch
Well, at least Dean didn't vote for Bush I.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:13 PM
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10. Heya Goobergunch!
How's the superdelegate count lookin'?
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:14 PM
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13. It's going very well!
Edited on Mon Jan-12-04 08:15 PM by goobergunch
Dean leads Kerry, Gephardt, and Clark, 63-58-36-22.

And after Iowa and New Hampshire, Dean's lead will probably be even better! :D

:hi:
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:11 PM
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OH THE SHAME!!!
"I admire George Bush's father," Dean told the magazine during the course of two question-and-answer sessions last month. "There were some things I strongly disagreed with him on, but he tried to be a good president."
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:11 PM
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5. Using Bush's father to bash Bush
"I admire George Bush's father," Dean told the magazine during the course of two question-and-answer sessions last month. "There were some things I strongly disagreed with him on, but he tried to be a good president."

He said President Bush is the opposite of his father.

"This president is not interested in being a good president." "He's interested in some complicated psychological situation that he has with his father," the Democratic presidential front-runner said. "He is obsessed with being re-elected, and his obsession with re-election is hurting the country."


Should we burn him at the stake now, or wait to see how the primaries go?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:39 PM
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36. Burn him at the stake. n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:12 PM
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8. He said on Hardball Bush Sr was excellent on foreign policy.
Sheesh. Kerry was fighting Bush's foreign policy of illegal arms trading and illegal wars in Central America.
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:13 PM
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11. The first George Bush handled Iraq the proper way
He went to the UN, formed a coalition, and used on the force necessary to meet the goal of the war. Regardless of what anyone wants to say, Junior could learn a lot from his father in some respects, and this is one of them. George Sr. was a MUCH better president than his son is. I don't think that can be denied. Was he great? No. But considering he was Republican he could have been a lot worse than he actually was. I'd rather have my candidate say something nice about George Sr. than fundraise for and praise Junior. :shrug:
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:15 PM
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14. BUT BUT BUT
He's a REPUKE! Praise for Repukes?????!?!!?!??!
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:17 PM
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19. Jeeze
It's not like Dean voted for the guy...
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:20 PM
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61. how do you know??
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:15 PM
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15. Dean: the liberal Republican?
"The joke among a lot of Vermont Republicans was that they didn't need to run anyone for governor because they basically had one in office already," said Harlan Sylvester, a conservative Democratic stockbroker and longtime adviser to Dean.
(St. Petersburg Times, July 6, 2003)
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:15 PM
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17. Got a link? (n/t)
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:41 PM
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38. Oh, I LOVE that quote! Perfect fit for Dean! n/t
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Closer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:16 PM
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18. at least he didn't vote for him.
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jmaier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:20 PM
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20. I don't know
has Gov Dean published his voting record? :-)

It seems to me that Wes Clark went public with his voting record even though it was going to cause some difficulty during the primaries. That takes a bit of courage.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:21 PM
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22. You don't know that.
Prove it.
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:22 PM
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23. Prove that Clark voted for Gore (n/t)
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:23 PM
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24. doenst have to vote for him
having admiration for him is good enough, to make certain spreaders of smear look like complete chumps.

LAFFING@THEM HAHA =)
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:23 PM
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26. Did he fundraise for him?
I didn't think so.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:24 PM
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27. yah but Clark LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUVS dubya
:shrug:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:45 PM
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40. Dean: I know in his soul George Bush is a moderate.
Jerks of a feather. Both posing as more left than they are.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:07 PM
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51. Dean: Dick Cheney is an ideal Vice President
and...

"The joke among a lot of Vermont Republicans was that they didn't need to run anyone for governor because they basically had one in office already," said Harlan Sylvester, a conservative Democratic stockbroker and longtime adviser to Dean.
(St. Petersburg Times, July 6, 2003)
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:16 PM
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56. Dean: Colin Powell would be a great Sec. of State in ANY administration.
.
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hellhathnofury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:25 PM
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28. half quote. The full line is for leading a successful true coalition.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:35 PM
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31. they're always taking quotes out of context, aren't they?
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:50 PM
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45. "They" aren't the only one who do it, friend.
I know it makes things easier to pretend that one's own side is all sweetness and light and the other pure, unmitigated evil, but it doesn't work that way.

Many is the time I have seen mangled quotes and the like thrown at the "not a real Democrat" (i.e., not Howard Dean) candidates here, and when others brought up the issue of context, they were hooted down and accused of trying to evade the issue.

Now, however, that the reigning sacred ox has been gored, context becomes supremely important.

Who said that irony is dead?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:56 PM
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48. Well said
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hellhathnofury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:39 PM
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64. They happened to refer to the media source above.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:47 PM
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42. Don't mean to disappoint you, but that was the full quote
Edited on Mon Jan-12-04 08:50 PM by wyldwolf
Of course, there was more:

"I admire George Bush's father," Dean told the magazine during the course of two question-and-answer sessions last month. "There were some things I strongly disagreed with him on, but he tried to be a good president."


Is that out of context? No. Direct quote.
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hellhathnofury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:54 PM
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69. Maybe so...but I'll bet he listed why Bush I was a good pres.
Go media defenders!
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:55 PM
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70. You "bet" he listed...?
All we have to go on is what we see published.

No psychics here.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:49 PM
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43. Funny. I didn't see that in the article...
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:25 PM
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29. oh yeah and bush 1 won his election
Dean still wins
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:37 PM
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:49 PM
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44. "he tried to be a good president"
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:52 PM
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47. I actually don't have a problem with Father Bush.
He wasn't THAT bad of a president, wasn't great, but not horrible like his son. But of course you ALL left out this quote from Dean:

"There were some things I strongly disagreed with him on, but he tried to be a good president."

Admired and supported are TWO different things. I admired the way Hitler could talk to a crowd; does that make me a Hitler loving Nazi?

I think not. Scant praise for a former president isn't that bad.
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the populist Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:17 PM
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57. Neither do I.
He was a good diplomat, and he handled the Israel issue with courage.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:58 PM
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50. .
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:11 PM
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53. /
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:14 PM
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55. *
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:17 PM
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58. #
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:18 PM
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59. By the way, thanks for keeping this kicked to the top %
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:20 PM
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60. No problem.
Nothing bad from this article. So Dean admired Bush I. Not like he admired his son. :eyes:
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:13 PM
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54. Oh, horrors!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dean must be a Republican! <sarcasm>

MzPip
:dem:
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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:27 PM
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62. At least he didn't vote for him
Unlike a certain general from Arkansas.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:41 PM
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65. How do you know?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:42 PM
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:51 PM
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68. How do you know?
The only reason we know Clark's voting record is he volunteered the information.

Dean hasn't.

So how do you know?
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:53 PM
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73. Maybe his voting record is in the sealed files that he won't release?!
:evilgrin:<just kidding>:spank:
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:30 PM
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63. how sweet it is!!




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edzontar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:42 PM
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66. I know I have heard that somewhere before.
nt
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:23 PM
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71. I guess he's not a Democrat
I mean like, why else would he say something nice about a Bush?
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Hoppin_Mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:26 PM
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72. Did he say it at a GOP fundraiser while raising $$$ for repugs ? -eom
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