I'd get behind a Dem who wanted to make Christian the official US religion

Bottom line, we're going to lose much more important rights than the right to freedom of religion if Bush wins. I think it would be sad, and I know a lot of people would be discriminated against if Christian was the official religion.

However.

If we give up on that particular right, then the Fundies wouldn't have that particular single-issue vote necessarily going toward Republicans. They'd lose time after time after time.

We have much more serious environmental issues out there to deal with. We're losing our forests. We've already lost clean air, clean water, public hunting and fishing areas, the 4th amendment, actually the entire bill of rights, free elections...

We could lose our whole democracy if GWB gets to appoint a couple Supreme Court Justices.

We've most certainly lost freedom of speech and the right to assemble. We can be arrested and held as enemy combatants with no evidence, trials, etc.

This is quickly becoming 1984.

Give it up on freedom of religion, and we're back in the catbird's seat.

That is what this country was founded one.It scares the SH*T out of me you would even consider this.

yet somehow I don't find it funny.

it better be a total joke.

to please some crackpots. Ta Ta

:eyes:

Namaste

Make Christians go to Tijuana and drink toxic wine.

To me, an "official" religion is one of the greatest threats we face. Think of the wars fought in the name of religion. Then think of the wars that could be fought if another country infringed upon our national religion. No thanks, I'd rather be an out of work atheist.

n/t

Everything they want to shove down our throats hinges on their interpretation of Christianity. Even the right to exploit the resources God gave us. The fundie brand of Christianity is the basis of everything that's gone wrong in this country in the last 25 years, imho.

Why? Because that means an entire "thread" of U.S. Supreme Court case law would go down and you have no idea how broad and systemic and pervasive it would hit us all. And, this "thread" of case law has branched out over the years similarly as does a tree with all its many branches.

The entire "privacy" prong of the constitution which is an "inferred right" not an express right in the constitution. Yes, privacy! abortion rights, condom distribution rights, privacy right of families, the right to die with dignity, the right to be left alone, stem cell research, etc., etc., etc. The list is about 100 hundred years old. Good, strong settled law.

And it's this list of privacy rights that Justice Antonin Scalia has been salivating about -- wanting to chuck it away. This is why Judge Bork wasn't seated on the U.S. Supreme Court, b/c he wanted to turn settled case law on its head. And this is why Justice Thomas wants to over-turn all this line of law too. After all, he cannot distinquish between his Roman Catholic God and the constitution.

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"I believe that it points up the fact
that we need common sense judges who
understand that our rights were derived
from God. Those are the kind of judges
I intend to put on the bench." — GWBush,
June 27, 2002, explaining his litmus
test for federal judicial nominees.
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your proposal simply wouldn't work. These people use fundamentalism as the mechanism to power; there is no placating them. This certainly wouldn't do it.

Now, back to your foot on my neck. This atheist will fight, and if need be, die to keep this nation secular. Your proposal is the recipe for a second Civil War.

which is why we are in the mess we are in now. Your idea, winning at all costs, is what has us in our current conundrum. I disagree.

repressive regimes everywhere. Pray tell me, where has having an official state religion EVER resulted in a more enlightened, open society? A whole litany of evils will arise by allowing America to devolve into a theocracy where the edicts of the rulers comes from divine fiat.

As a dedicated spiritual but non-religious person, the idea of allowing one more justifiable form of discrimination just doesn't appeal. The founding fathers were absolutely correct to divide church and state. The ideology of Conservativism has already become like a religion, complete with bullying, prejudice, logical inconsistencies and hypocrisies. Too many Americans already believe in a de facto Right of Kings.

America has grown strong by keeping the freedom of religion and maintaining a core secular constituency. We cannot afford the lose this freedom fundamental to maintaining an enlightened, free society.

In short, they will have to pry my religious freedom from my cold, dead hands. On this I will give no quarter.

Thomas Jefferson is turning over in his grave.

It's a spoof of this post . . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1088011

:P

You just made me crazy (crazier). There are too many people I have spoken to in the last 3 eyars that would agree with this thread. THEY do want a Christian Theocracy.

Not everyone lives and dies by reading the boards, people - I thought spoof threads resided in the Lounge... And I think it's sad that folks, me included, thought this was a real proposal...

that I didn't see it. Freeper land is down the street and around a very long right turn.

....topic. And it's even kind of funny.

What's NOT funny is how much we HAVE given up in the name off "electability" already this year.

Sure, Kerry's got a great shot at winning right now, and I'm not arguing that. But the bottom line is that we should NEVER have given up the right to say that Iraq was BULLSHIT. That pre-emptive wars are BULLSHIT.

that kissing Ariel Sharon's hairy fascist fucking nazi ass is BULLSHIT.

That Saddam Hussein was NEVER a threat to America.

Why the fuck should we have had to give any of that up?

Is all of that not as important as women's rights or freedom of religion?

It is to me.

And this is the last time I ever vote for a compromise candidate.

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Two weeks before an election

Let's open up the phone book and pick one! I thought being AMERICANS was what pulled us all together, but I'm thinking we need a better label, and some form of Christianity sounds PERFECT!

Let's go for the one where you get to play with poisonous snakes, and if you get bit and die, it means you aren't strong in the Lord!

YEAH!!!

(I'm loving these sarcasm threads, by the way -- thanks for helping me to blow off some steam!)

2005 is what we are fighting for . We can not be afraid of getting it all right.
Your computer may be watching you back at this moment, 1984 is a fear that lurks around everything,corruption,having to use your SS# every time you buy anything.
Let's take this country with all our rights in tack. JFKerry has it under control. Just get everyone you know to vote.

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