"Cheney Sis Jumps Into Lesbian Fray"

Best. Headline. Ever.

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/32001.htm


October 17, 2004 -- Add Mary Cheney's sister's name to a growing list of Cheney family members angry with Sen. John Kerry for bringing up Mary and her sexuality at last week's debate in Tempe, Ariz.
Appearing on "Good Morning America" alongside first-daughter hopeful Vanessa Kerry, Liz Cheney — a married mother of four — said an apology from the Democratic nominee "would be appropriate."

But Kerry's daughter defended her dad's comments and noted that Mary Cheney's sexual preference is a matter of record.

"My father's point was the concept was celebrating a strong family," the younger Kerry said, adding that his comments echoed what Sen. John Edwards said to Cheney himself at the vice-presidential debate. "But when you choose to be part of a campaign, you choose to make yourself public."

The first-daughter melee came as their dads ripped each other while campaigning in two of the most hotly contested states.

It's not a preference.

As an aside, it was "just fine" that Alan Keyes called Mary Cheney hedonistic..blah, blah. The Cheney family didn't have anything to say about that. Did they?

Makes me sick. :puke:

of what Bill Maher said...

Why would someone WANT to be gay in WYOMING?!

Jeesh, first a queer and now incest? What will we tell our children?

three years ago.

I guess the R behind the name makes all the difference.

it's funny to see these fools acting outraged at what Kerry said yet these same fools are the party that wants to legislate based on how or who people have sex with.

i really wish someone who ask these people about Alan Keyes comments and why there was no outrage there. but they can't or wont because that would mean they would have to defend homosexuality in itself. and that would not go over well with their base.

with their attacks on kerry it kind of plays ok with the base because the outrage is based on the assumption that homosexuality is bad. they compare it to things such as bringing up a drug problem in the family. as if kerry brought up some horrible thing.

a better comparison would be if the question was about adoption of kids including of different races and whether they have as much love and care as families with just biological children. imagine if this was asked and kerry brought up john mccain and how he loves his daughter who is adopted and of a different race just as good parents love all their kids. nobody would have been outraged and in fact they would have seen it as a good example for why adoption is a good thing.

Yes, polling showed that about two-thirds of the debate audience felt the comment was inappropriate, but most people also say they hate negative ads -- and we all know negative ads work.

Ultimately, I don't believe anyone would switch their vote from Kerry to Bush over this. If anything, social conservatives would be the group most likely to be affected by such information if they didn't know about Cheney's daughter. Remember these people think being gay is a choice, and would likely blame Dick and Lynn for "bad parenting" and are probably wondering "how could they allow that type of 'hedonistic' behavior?"

The Cheneys -- and therefore Bush/Cheney-- are now in the odd position of defending homosexual behavior. Bush/Cheney is essentially hitting Kerry from the left every time they bring this up, which makes Kerry even seem more moderate and hurts Bush with his base.

Again, how does Kerry lose votes, other than the fact that he lost the post-debate spin/attention/focus ?

I can see many social conservatives staying home --figuring both candidates are "bad" on the issue -- or voting on other issues like the economy -- and switching their vote to Kerry.

However, the more I think about this the more I think there was a better way to get this info out there without Kerry and Edwards having to say it themselves. We could've reaped all the benefit and none of the costs (if there are any costs).

Since any examination of pretty much any issue is unfavorable to Bush, they have to pick the 'least unfavorable' and 'most spinnable' issue.

What I find amusing in an unfunny way is the way the comments on TV about this issue are shaped by what I can only describe as an implicit defense of bigotry disguised as political correctness. Elizabeth Edwards was the one who came closest to the truth on this and she was roundly pilloried: to think Kerry said something offensive, you have to think being a lesbian is offensive. But that basic point can't be made on TV because it would offend too many people who think of themselves as tolerant.

And it's a good thing they have Rupert Murdoch rags like the New York Post to help them. Fine group those Cheneys. :eyes:

a seflish hedonist.

...for yet another dreary news cycle.

Got to hand it to Rove and his minions in the media...the world's going to hell in a handbasket, yet they've been able to invent this issue out of thin air....and it's all we hear about.

:grr:

ZAHN: Back to the issue of last night's exchange during the debate where John Kerry was asked a very specific question about whether homosexuality is a choice. Were you offended by the fact that he mentioned your sister

(CROSSTALK)

CHENEY: I was offended.

ZAHN: And tell me why.

CHENEY: I think that it was out of bounds.

ZAHN: Why?

CHENEY: For Senator Kerry to exploit the child of his opponent to make political point on his own, for his own political gain. And I have to say I think that I, like many Americans all across this country today, are wondering what kind of a man would do that.

ZAHN: Was your sister offended? CHENEY: It was a very offensive thing for him to do, yes.

ZAHN: Did you talk to her about it?

CHENEY: It was very offensive. I think I'll just leave it there. I think people can make their own judgment about what he said.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/14/pzn.01.html

She never really answered the question if her sister was offended. I think that says a lot right there. I have a feeling Mary wasn't at all bothered by Kerry's comment.

This is the biggest non-issue ever.

Mock outrage -- what the right wing does best. :grr:

the Haiku nature of their headlines:

"Leash Gal Sex Pics," "Teddy's Nude Romp," and "Headless Body Found in Topless Bar" are my all time greats. I gotta remember this one.

i love to watch them squirm.

If those Cheneys, those fucking hypocrites, try to keep this story alive during the week (I mean, if it dies, let it die, but if they keep it going) ... I think we should all write pithy LTTE's to our local newspapers, showing that Lynne Cheney is willing to make money off a lesbian love story (she wrote a lesbian erotica novel called "Sisters," in 1981, which she has successfully kept out of print since before the 2000 election!) but she is SHOCKED, I TELL YOU that Kerry/Edwards point out that George Bush's policies against gays affect his own V.P.'s CHILD!

I think everyone needs to know this if this story is kept alive!

Here's last night's thread about the novel.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1091739

This has some links to the novel and to passages from it, and even the Amazon site, through which you can find two used copies for $500 apiece! I've already written to Keith Olbermann about this crap! You can email him too, if you'd like. And anyone else in the MSM you think will listen.