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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:11 PM
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Bush Speach: No crowd shots?
From the sound you'd think there's lots of people there.

But their noise comes on and off almost like they are on a light switch. Like there are big "Applause", "Booo" and "Quiet" signs.

Large, free, excited crowds don't behave like that.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:12 PM
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1. no "crowd" shots at the last "major policy address"
hhmmmmmmmmmm..............
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:13 PM
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2. Excellent observation !
o you htink they would relly do that ?? Yep!
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:54 PM
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14. Yes, they've been doing that a lot lately
They did the same exact thing for his last 'speech'. They either don't show the crowd at all or the part that fills the frame looks crowded, but there aren'tthat many people in the picture.


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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:13 PM
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3. Didn't think they could fill 20,000 seats.
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:33 PM
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9. I'm not sure he was even in that large a room.
The shots of Bushes speech could have been done on a sound stage.

I'm not honestly saying I think the crowd noise was literally canned. However, I DO think it sounded like it was coming from at most a couple hundred very obediently behaved shills, applauding, cheering, chanting, booing and shutting up on queue. The crowd noise was too "clean", and the shots of Bush were so limited and controlled, as if to make sure nothing off to the sides could be seen.

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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:14 PM
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4. Free? Those people aren't free....
they are sheeple.

Then again, maybe they aren't there at all but merely a "response track" as you suggest.

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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:14 PM
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5. Someone posted yesterday that they're
having a problem filling events with people willing to sign the loyalty oath. From now on there won't be crowd shots.
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:14 PM
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6. Speach now over: Still no crowd shots.
At the end of the speech there were still no crowd shots. As Bush walked off stage there were about 20 backs of heads in view. As he waved his eyes looked level or downwards, not upwards as they would if he were in a large forum.

Where there ANY crowd shots?
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:46 PM
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13. I'm sure the Local GOP Machine (Burlington County) Turned them out!
Jeeeeezus! I took my daughter to AAU Basketball Tournaments at that Blue Barn site in Marlton, N.J. (Yuppie/Repug land):puke:

It used to have a warm & fuzzy memory for me....Bahs-tahd Butt Boy!
:argh: Not any more.
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:28 PM
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7. Contrast with Kerry's speech, on now.
Kerry is now speaking.

Not all channels are showing it, rather than all channels showing Bush.

Several channels have broken in the middle of it for commercials, which none did for Bush.

Shot shows at least 10 people behind Kerry, who are applauding and standing in time with the crowd sounds. Bush just had a banner behind him. No visible crowd.

Sound of Kerry's crowd fades up and down, rather than Bushes instant on/off crowd.

Kerry sometimes has to pause for their applause. Bush never had to.

Kerry's eyes move upwards, as he looks at members of the crowd in higher seats. Bushes eyes stayed level or looked downwards, indicating he was in a smaller, single level room.

Kerry crowd cheers and applauds. Bush crowd cheered, but also booed when Bush claimed mis-deeds by Kerry.

The contrast is stark.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:30 PM
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8. Very interesting. I was watching Gore on C-SPAN
Edited on Mon Oct-18-04 02:05 PM by donkeyotay
And checking the GOP-er media to see if they would at least include an embarrassing clip from Gore's speech (guess they couldn't find something suitable to take out of context. give them time). Anyway, when I flipped through, they were all covering Der Fuhrer and I noticed that the applause was, well, robust. You don't suppose it was fake???

edited for confusing a Nazi with an outburst of enthusiasm: Fuhrer, not Furor.
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:41 PM
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10. I don't think it was "canned", but maybe was coached.
The response to Bush was very crisp, both in starting and stopping. Big crowds don't act like that. Some start applauding before the speakers point has been fully made. Some don't appaud till most others are already clapping. The same happens when they STOP applauding. The less enthused stop early, the most enthused keep clapping even when the speaker tries to start talking again.

It was also eerie how they all either applauded, chanted, or booed together. Again that's not big crowd behavior. When Bush criticized a supposed Kerry mis-deed, the whole crowd booed. In a real crowd, some would boo against Kerry, and some would applaud Bushes criticism. But there was no mix in the crowd reaction to Bushes speech.

I think they had a coached crowd, following signs to either clap, chant, boo or shut up on queue.

Am I paranoid here?
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i_c_a_White_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:44 PM
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11. probably talking to a tape recorder
kind like star trek where the guy is in the room alone and all you hear is great cheering but it's only a tape recorder
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:45 PM
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12. It's like a Monty Python sketch, I swear...
Specifically thinking of one where "Mr. Hilter" (a poorly disguised Adolf running for office in 1970's England) gives a speech to huge cheers...cut to his faithful servant (Graham Chapman in full Nazi drag) cranking a phonograph.
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