CNN says Boycott will not last. Who asked them? and how do they know?

CNN SAYS BOYCOTT WILL NOT LAST...OH YEA
by: notrejoey 10/18/04 02:04 pm
Msg: 5165 of 5172
But Rash and other media experts say the brouhaha won't have lasting effects on Sinclair's business. "I don't think it gives them any benefit," said Rudy Baca, media strategist at research firm Precursor Group, "and I don't think there's any long-term negative.

Read entire CNN article at:

http://money.cnn.com/2004/10/18/news/midcaps/sinclair_kerry/index.htm

Contact Rudy and tell him we are in this for the long haul:

info@precursor.com


call CNN on their biased opinions statements.

202-898-7900

If it works against one media consortium, it'll work on all of them, and this terrifies the CNNMSRNCFauxNews consortiums of the world!

Very astute of you sir.

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their sponsors.

how nov 2 turns out we ought to move toward boycotting and activism eg. advertisers etc etc. Half this country are democrats thats alot of $$$$ Only thing these bastards care about

to bring back the Media Act. It's in the best interest of all the corporate news channels to downplay this story. If it works with Sinclair they will be next!

can't handle the typical media whore blathering anymore. I will just read my news, thank you...

and I just sent them a boycott message. Thanks for the email addies...

And the SBG station in my area's a Fox Channel. So other than a couple of NFL games every year and The Simpsons I don't watch it.

CNN: Who asked you? And how do you know?

Hell, I am just one person but I don't watch CNN anymore after Carol Lin informed me Kerry "shot his wad" at his convention. But 1 + 1 + 1.....do the math!

...because Sinclair Broadcast Group will go out of business after being fined to hell by the Kerry administration.

no matter who wins the election.

Sinclair gave us a gift.

I've been fantasizing about President Kerry's FCC chairman Al Gore not only heralding the return of the Fairness Doctrine and vetoing the current ownership legislation on the table, but breaking up the media conglomerates as well. A Kerry win and a Sinclair PR loss, and it can STOP being a fantasy!

:headbang:
rocknation

its on - im about ready to boycott them all unless they affirm their commitment in President Kerry.

Did we back down when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Neidermeier -- Dead
Lowes -- Dead
Arby's -- Dead
Circuit City -- Dead

:)

great scene.

or Dominos or Carl's Jr....I've let my friends know about Curves...

I just switched from Iams/Eukanuba after 20 years.

He's wrong. Some of us stick it out over the long run.

Why waste time on shitty beer and bad pizza? (Whether they fund right wing politics or not) Haven't been to Pizza Hut since Oxycontin boy did their ads either.

And we don't have Carl's Jr here, so that's easy enough.

I guess the CEO will have to lay off the prostitutes for awhile.

.. he was obviously SENT by Baker and Bush to CNN for that story! The head of Percursor, is from Texas, and their office is in D.C. 'nuff said.

personally and told the guy there about this thing last week--said he hadn't heard of it. Told him to look it up and file a complaint. I have bought Nissan for the last 20 years but said I'd give 'em up over this.

Because THEY ARE NEXT IN LINE.

I am fed up with CNN. I keep hoping for some balance and I'm just not finding it at all. There used to be some, especially with Lou Dobbs, and most of the time Aaron Brown. But lately the negatives are far outweighing the positives. I am tuning into MSNBC for most of my news now, and, of course, CBS. When I remember, I tune into marvy Ted Koppel, also. We are definitely in the minority when it comes to favorable or balanced coverage. It stinks royally.

Yes, they are scared shitless cause they don't know what's hitting them, where it's coming from and whose really doing it...but it's happening.

The communications dynamic is changing and this is the start of that war.

I don't think attempts to prop up Sinclair will work though ;)

I didn't imagine that the Media Revolution, (and I express that in the most serious of terms) would kick-off in that particular way, but all is good.

The Sinclair debacle is turning out to be fortuitous! I think they may have shot themselves,(along with some more of the credibility of the Media Masters) in the foot.

Now that people are more aware and have a small taste at what they can do in numbers, the momentum can build from there. The word will spread.

The Media Revolution may not be televised but it is the only way to establish a TRUE Democracy in America. Call this: Democracy phase 2. Read up on corporate media and do some research into how it REALLY works. This is nothing new, but the impetus is here to bring it out in the open.

Metaphorically, the battlefield is communications and the weapons are made of information. I don't know if Thomas Jefferson could have foreseen a bloodless struggle of this noble a nature.

I foresee a peaceful transformation as the meme spreads like wildfire. It is something equivalent to the scenes in the movie Network, where people open their windows and yell, “I am mad as hell, and I am not going to take it anymore!” Only this time, it will not be merely a fad that disappears as the ratings go down.

why don't you start up another thread on this issue? This is lost in the jungle. You analysis is spot on, though.

Many TV sets and/or cable boxes allow you to set individual channels to be blocked. It's usually referred to as Parental Control. I've set both of the local Sinclair channels to be blocked. So even if I forget and I switch to one of the channels, the screen will be blank. No sitcoms, no sporting events, no advertisers. And if they show that trash, it stays blocked.

Get used to it media fucking whores!

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Previously, Mr. Cleland was a managing director at Legg Mason and a senior vice president at Charles Schwab Co. He served as Deputy United States Coordinator for International Communications Policy at the U.S. State Department and as a legislative advisor to Secretary of State James A. Baker, III. He also has worked for Booz, Allen & Hamilton, the U.S. Treasury Department, and the U.S. Office of Management & Budget.

He earned a Master’s in Public Affairs from the LBJ School of Public Affairs at the University of Texas at Austin and a BA in Political Science from Kalamazoo College. In 2000, Kalamazoo College awarded Mr. Cleland the Distinguished Achievement Award for excellence and achievement in his professional field.

They are right.

History shows that you can get a 'core' group who will create a particular movement (boycotts, protests, etc.) and you will get some of the masses to follow.

However, people being fickle animals :), the masses will move on to the next 'shiny object' and leave the 'core' to continue the movement.

When a group is that small (and, yes, even 10,000 people is small when you consider nationwide companies), the impact is so minimal that it can simply be ignored.

This holds true also for Sinclair's stock price. Investors do not like turmoil. However, turmoil also never lasts. Some investors will pick up a good deal on Sinclair's stock which will then see increasing prices and make a few people a nice tidy profit. I wonder if Sinclair execs sold off quite a bit just before all of this. If so, they can make millions by buying back as it bottoms out.

As for any retaliation against Sinclair by Kerry. There won't be any when he is in office. This would be widely viewed very negatively by MOST Americans and, if Kerry wants to unite our country, he would not even consider anything like this.

I know we all want to make a difference, but it is very important to pick our battles. Be heard, but don't be fooled by naivete.

People can move mountains.
Any company as poorly managed and as deeply in dept as sinclair is unwise to make such a stupid move. The people who will make money on sinclair are the ones who short the stock.

But THIS is NOT an apt comparison at all. Well, OK, YOU might think it is, but that would simply be a display of your naivete.

The fact of the matter is that SBG released a revised Q3 earnings estimate earlier this month. The revision lowered expectations considerably. After outperforming the Dow, but largely following the same curve, it fell below the average.

Coincidence? Likely. If this were precipitated by any boycotts or protests against their actions, the analysts would be talking about it. Not only are they not talking about it, not one even mentioned it. In fact, the general consensus is for investors to hold this stock in expectation that it will rebound over the next week or so and then resume outperforming the average.

So, what I am simply trying to say is: don't fool yourself by wrapping yourself up in a falsely 'warm fuzzy blanket'.

You WILL get some investors to dump the stock for political reasons, you WILL get some advertisers to drop their advertising (and not the large ones who have simply been sending out 'appeasement letters') and you WILL get some people to boycott Sinclair and its advertisers.

Then reality will set in. The investors will be back or replaced, the advertisers will be back and the boycotters will be back.

Sorry. But efforts wasted here could be better expended elsewhere. But, don't take my word for it. If Kerry loses on Nov. 2nd, start thinking of all of the little wasted efforts and think if just one of them could have been a factor.

I won't blame you and America won't blame you. But then again, America won't know or care about these wasted efforts.

Found a Tombstone.

To the Mods once again :yourock:

I've just found out about this site and I love it.

On Topic: Does this not kinda smack of state run television? What hypocrits, bring "freedom" to the worlds oppressed peoples who haven't got a voice, but subject the American people to the same type stuff.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

involuntarily, of course

if the boycott works against Sinclair, it might spread to others (namely them).

they've got to nip this in the bud before it bites them in the a$$.

on edit: this is in agreement with the first responses to this thread....not original but total agreement.

Sinclair is fucking with its financial obligations to its shareholders. This is a fine way to bring upon oneself a a class-action lawsuit. And if a class-action is brought, what do you think the effect will be on the stock price? Class? Class? Anyone?

And if the law-suit is brought, do you think that Sinclair's executive officers
a) will be personally named in the lawsuit? or
b) will not be personally named?

And do you think the legal battles will be
a) short-term? or
b) long-term?

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

to give for my country. But email is gonna go forever! Let the word go forth...

and that was a looooong time ago. No problems with my memory when it comes to businesses that will never get my money. I've got the list of Sinclair advertisers, both national and local, and I'm not hesitant to use it. If CNN would like an example of how serious I am, they're more than welcome to have their advertisers publicly and loudly shunned, too. :evilgrin:

for proving my point.

I mean, it is great that all of those who boycott Exxon have hurt them so tremendously!

Since March, 1989, Exxon has struggled to just barely outperform the averages and have its stock price increase by only 500%. Without those boycotters, they might have hit 500.0001%!!!

Sorry. :)

I do respect your, and anyone's, right to boycott and I admire your convictions. BUT!! Just don't become too complacent in this sort of thing and fool yourself into believing that you are having any effect on these companies at all. Well, unless you compare it to the minor annoyance that a single gnat causes a person until swatted.

that Sinclair, and other communications corps, will continue to survive and thrive?

In that case, if what we are suggesting is hopeless and energy wasted action, then we must accept Sinclair services no matter how harmful it might be to the public.

I hear you saying there is no way out and citizens must accept what garbage they give us.

this: you say that Sinclair is harmful to the public. It would appear then that YOU have taken it upon yourself to 1) decide what is harmful to the public, and 2) to save the rest of the public from Sinclair.

If this is correct, then my question is:

Who appointed YOU to decide what is, or is not harmful to me and who appointed YOU to save me?

Two words I have for anyone trying to do either of the above:

BACK OFF!

A) You approve of broadcasting lies about a presidential candidate just days before an election on national television.

or

B) you believe corporations, and not citizens, have the right to control the public airwaves. They may decide for us what it is we should be allowed to think. We may not express our disapproval in any manner.

or

C) Everything is hopeless. Nothing works. We should all give up and pack it in.

or

D) (You fill in this blank. Because I sure can't see any other point you might be making).

A) I have not seen the movie, have you? And I believe ANY media outlet has the right to air whatever they damn well please. First amendment and all that.

B) EVERYONE controls the public airwaves. We the people can choose not to watch their programming or boycott them or complain or whatever. However, since EVERYONE controls the airwaves, in order to change something EVERYONE should choose to change it. Or are you advocating that YOU or a chosen few be allowed to dictate what gets shown by rightful licensees of those airwaves?

C) Never said that. Pick your battles. Sometimes you have to lose a battle to win the war. Focusing on winning each and every battle is a losing proposition EVERY time.

D) I think they are all up there ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

that's something I would describe as useless.

about opinions: everybody's got one! :)

Only time can tell who is right.

the mods have registered an opinion about the quality of your fact-checking

Actually, the boycotts of companies in the past have hurt them, including Exxon. I know more than a few people who worked for that company in Houston during the time of the Exxon Valdez's incident and they were very aware of how much boycotting did, in fact, hurt their company. The bad publicity alone did them little good. No one knows what their economic outcome could have been, only what it was. The fact that I've carried on that 'boycott' at this date is more a matter of conviction and habit than protest. I have many choices when it comes to purchasing gasoline. I don't need a "tiger in my tank," so why give them my money? They haven't earned it.

Boycotts have no effect? Well, then, Mary "Daughter of GFY and Lynne" Cheney was hired to be the liaison to the GLBT community for no reason, because everyone was under the impression she was hired to help break that community's successful boycott of Coors products. Did a RW company hire an out lesbian to help solve a non-existent boycott 'gnat' when a simple 'swat' would do instead? Doubt it. Of course, if people confused the importance of boycotts -- or any other protest they can make, no matter how small -- with an insignificant gnat, then they're unlikely to stand behind any conviction for long, assuming they have any convictions at all.

I'm happy with the choices I've made and quite secure in them. My kids have learned a lot about personal choices and responsibility, too. :toast:

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the way I see it: opinions, a$$holes, factchecks -- we all have our own; methinks thou doth protest too much -- you know, I get that icky feeling ... just IMHO, of course ... but, with 176 posts just since the 6th of october (12 days ago), you sure have been busy ... are you enjoying your stay here at DU????

A strong disturbance in the force,yes?

;)

Forget to short your Sinclair stock?

Considering you are the one who spends an inordinate amount of time in threads about the boycott of Sinclair and its advertisers, you have no reason to believe anyone is trying to force anything on you. Don't agree? Don't read the thread. That's what the 'Hide Thread' option is for. Yes, it's just that easy. Remember, we're all "naive," so our actions cannot POSSIBLY affect what you will see on your "Tee Vee screen." Yet, still you persist. One would wonder why, but one has already figured it out.

Also, please don't lecture people about what you perceive as their naivete and lack of stock market knowledge. I have an M.B.A. that I don't flash around, but it certainly has provided me with the background to analyze many situations. Not that I need it to sense certain things.

... I've bought gas at an Exxon station exactly 3 times since the Valdez, each in emergency situations where there was no option.

The "boycotts don't work" meme is 100% bullshit. What they are really saying is "we hope and pray boycotts don't work".

Folks, boycotts might not have worked too well in the past, but things are different now. One, we have the net to organize and reinforce each others' decisions to avoid doing business with certain companies. And two, the stakes are ever higher.

I make it a POINT to not do business with companies that advertise with Limbaugh, or who are known to be run by right-wingers or politically active in support of right wingers.

I truly believe the dollar is the most important vote you have. Because everything that happens in this country is about the dollar.

The knowledge of what, who, and why to boycott is widespread now, much more so than the 'word of mouth' info. that was passed around back when Exxon cared so little about what the Valdez had done to the Alaskan waters.

I see someone has been tombstoned. I had a feeling that would be coming when he went from saying we were all "naive" and boycotts never work to complaining that we were trying to influence what he was able to watch on TV because WE didn't agree with it. I think someone may have an itchin' to see 'Stolen Honor' and our 'naive, ineffective' boycott is working too well for his comfort. Bummer. ;)

I know that I'm not putting them out of business... but I feel better knowing that my money doesn't support them. (Even if I do like their soap and I Can't Believe It's Not Butter margerine... I can do without... there are plenty of other brands to choose from.)

-- Allen

If CNN doesn't cover the boycott fairly they can be the next company to have their sponsers boycotted

so she could stand up to her bosses, herself, or she hates him for pointing out that it can be done and she just won't bother putting her career on the line. Either way she's a coward, IMHO.

Gotta keep up appearances.

**Breaking**

The new CNN poll now shows Bush up by 12 points!

Ha HA!

They are nothing but garbage.. turn it OFF!

During the riots that happened in Portland at the onset of the Iraq war, several members of the media were attacked- and the poor fools went on TV afterwards completely befuddled as to why. I mean totally clueless- as in pathologically lacking any sort of metaperspective as to why they engendered such hatred.

If Bush ends up with another 4 years, things will get really out of hand in this country- and when the truth finally hits enough people in the face, they'll be looking for scapegoats... and it's not so much people on the left I'm concerned about... we're pretty reasonable and forgiving folks... it's the freepers.

if chimp wins they are really going to find out how long a boycott can and will last ...'payback is a bitch.' x(

It can last!
We can show CNN as well as Sinclair if they need a lesson?

schedule. I don't see the 'CNN' go by and I don't even think about them as a choice. Sometimes the simple things in life are so sweet. :evilgrin:

But I am this time.

Fact number 1: Finanical news is even more biased than the regular news. Don't believe me? Think of the number of times an "analyst" on TV recommends "sell" rather than "buy."

Fact number 2: A win for John Kerry is a stake in the heart to Sinclair Broadcasting Group. Not only will Kerry's team choose the enxt FEC commissioners, but also the FCC commissioners. That, folks, and (sorry to hurt people's pride) not really the boycott, is why the stock went down yesterday. They Kerry is going to win meme scared the shit out the people stupid enough to have the "Class-pidgeon" shares in Sincliar.

As I said earlier, want to really hurt Sinclair? Go after their lenders!