So what happens if * is elected?

Seriously, what is your idea of what will happen going forward if Bush wins, legitimately or otherwise?

~A!

the antichrist will have arisen.

If it's within 1 or 2 points, expect a heavy dose of rioting.

SECEDE
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Lenin: "Hey, I'm dead, so I must vote democrap"
Marx: "Stupid Liberals"
bin Laden: "Vote Kerry So I Can Kill You"
Smelly Q. Hippy: "Soap is a tool of the man!"

Wow, the maturity is astounding. (sarcasm off)

Clever little freepers. :silly:

And life will go on.

Life will go on as it has, but I think we're living in times that might be a little too dangerous to our way of life to simply accept whatever the government decides to hand us. We have to find a way to be the government like we're supposed to be, no matter who is elected in two weeks.

~A!

Only not the way that we're used to. I believe you can look at more anti-gay legislation, increase in poverty, less funding for social programs, funding for Christian social programs, a change to the Constitution, and more people with college degrees going into the burger manufacturing.

Like "Bush Cheated Again"

and kiss it all good bye!

Impeachment for the chimp shortly thereafter.

but they will never convict unless they get 2/3 of the Senate. I'm not holding my breath on that one.

Plamegate will be wrapped up in two years, shrub will have another two years of screwing up under his belt, the economy will be two years deeper in the hole...enough Senate repubs may do him in self-defense.

we keep telling each other stories, and believing them. Screwing up is NOT impeachable, having a bad economy is NOT impeachable. Plamegate may be, but it will never be shown that Bush had anything to do with it. And as for lying us into war, you know, I don't think that will be impeachable either, although I could be wrong. But to get enough Rs in the Senate to agree?


I'm not holding my breath. I'm not holding my breath because the Rs have their own constituency who DO NOT believe it was a lie. Or who believe that it was a justified lie. Or who will not be united behind President Kerry, and want to continue to be divided from us, and will do whatever it takes to keep it that way.

and the frequency of uccessful jabs has been increasing. Even some of the moderate repukes are starting to distance themselves from shrub.
I think given two years to braid some more rope to hang himself with it's possible he might, as long as the downhill trend in all matters foreign and domestic continues.

but I think you're fooling yourself. Remeber with Nixon the rs stayed behind him until it was proven that he was lying to THEM. A cover-up, in other words.

If we haven't been able to convince the R base by now, what with all the facts we've thrown at them, and the disaster in Iraq, and the sufffering of the Palestinians and Israelis, that * is bad and lying, I don't think we are going to be able to.

Oh, we might win this election. But if we don't, but take back all of Congress, we will not be able to impeach and convict him to get him out.

Come on out of your dreamworld. There's real work, and real problems out here.

Which isn't happening. :eyes:

As I havestated elsewhere, I am hopeful, but not optimistic about the presidential election of. I don't know how much polls can be trusted, but, well.

There is a slim possibility of re-taking the Senate, but the House is out of reach.

But what I am saying is that * will NEVER be impeached and convicted, under any circumstances with a chance of happening, so why do you torture yourself.

The most that can happen is some professors get together, like they did in that laughable "war crimes" trial for George Bush in Japan, recently. What an embarassment that supposedly intelligent people would try cheap theater like that to score political points. Even when I agree with them, this kind of thing is silly.

I most certainly am not torturing myself. I repeat, it was speculation based on a hypothetical question.
November 2nd, okay? We'll revisit it then, if necessary. Cheers!
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I'm not torturing myself, either.

also believe he'd never be implicated in Watergate?

They abandoned him when they realized he had lied to them.

Legally, is there no way to push for impeachment unless high crimes and misdemeanors can be proven??? That's a pretty subjective test in Bush's case.

I fear the only way to get this nation back after another stolen election will be open revolt, enormous protests and a lot of pissed off people raising hell.

can impeach for anything at all that they think they can get away with politically. Then the Senate, by a 2/3 majority, must convict for the officer to be removed from office.

Open revolt will get you killed or imprisoned.

that we're all going a little overboard on the doom and gloom. I think that things will likely get worse, but not as bad as the extreme among us believe.

After another four years of this shit, they'd be afraid to elect a Republican in '08, and we could repeal all of the bullshit post-haste.

If he wins, I still have a kid to support, so what difference can I allow it to make?

~A!

No big deal to you, huh?

misunderstand me. I know that this country will have much tougher times than we face now if Bush is re-elected in two weeks, but I know that we will rise to the challenge and be who we are regardless.

It is a big deal if Bush wins, but it is not the end of the world. I am volunteering, canvassing, and volunteer webmastering for the Democratic party this year, so I find it a little insulting you would imply indifference on my part. I don't hold it against you, but could you possibly moderate the tone a little? Not everyone who doesn't feel the way you do is the enemy. That's their style, not ours.

~A!

It is already becoming clear that this election will be suspect..If you don't know just check out what is going on in Florida..Again..

and it has no bearing on what I said. Of course there will be an election in '08, because Americans are who we are, and we will confront those in power, rather than just let them have their way.

This election is going to be VERY suspect, I agree. And I will do my part to try and see that John Kerry is elected, as I have done and am doing. If you want me to freak out and scream and cry because the person I want isn't elected, though, I doubt that would be helpful.

If indeed GWB steals this election, we will need to be calm, focused, and powerful, not screeching banshees with no plan and no organization.

Regards,
~A!

because it cannot be unchallenged.

Of course, the Democratic politicians will roll over, just like they did in 2000. But there are enough real Americans to not take it laying down.

All rules will be off.

Brain stem says move...................

If Chimpy wins, it won't be by very much. We may very well have a majority in the Senate. We will have to get active at local levels across the entire nation. We can, and will, block Constitutional Amendments designed as ideological candy. We will have to start (regardless of the victor) working to achieve a majority in the House of Representatives.

If Kerry loses, it will be to the Democrats as the Nixon resignation was to the Republicans, an opportunity to clean house and sweep tired old functionaries away. If Kerry loses, we will have to ensure that the Primary opponents' supporters are all on board for the long haul and that the DLC types can live in peace with the Greens and vice versa.

Legitimately: Regroup & consolidate all of our organizational gains we've made over the last year, build further. Watch in horror as Shrub does awful things to our country, and hope that it becomes increasingly apparent to the American people exactly what a narrow-minded ideologue he is.

Otherwise: I think everyone upthread's pretty much covered this. Suffice it to say I will be where ever I am needed to protest election fraud, etc.

It's like ARod or some all-star baseball player going up to bat and wondering if he will strike out.

Let's not go there.

We ain't dead yet. Let us put our efforts into electing Kerry and not waste time planning 'what if' scenarios of a * victory

We all have seen plenty of evidence over the past 4 years of the depths these cretins will sink to in order to retain power and push their agenda.

Cheating and stealing is the standard mo' for them.

The Dems must prepare a plan.

In a best case scenario, Kerry wins and we have the experience of planning an exercise we do not need to implement.
In a worst case scenario, to 'not think about it', would only leave us with our bare asses hanging out on November 3rd.

And I don't like my ass frosty, thanks.


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There will be War and Rumors of War and the world will tremble.

...if they get bad enough GW will put them down with deadly force,what happens from there I don't know.The protests might make a difference if enough people are involved,millions and millions of people.It would force Bush into a situation were in order to put those protests down he would have to engage in the whole sale slaughter of his countrymen,this might lead to some kind of critical mass,more people leaving his camp.

I'll tell you the truth I think its all just speculation if for no other reason than so many things can happen come election day.The various possibilities depend on the outcome of the election itself it will dictate what happens,any of a number of things could result from each outcome.If its close it could go to court all over the place and it could last for weeks or months,if its Kerry in a landslide Bush may or may not accept it,I doubt he would but what he would do about it I just don't know.

If Bush clearly wins again the mess that this country finds itself in will be much worse.Its not just that there will be more blood in Iraq or the economy will be worse,both those things will happen but it'll be something more.America will lose something that it may never get back,the Bush people have done so much damage to the very process of government that it may never be repaired.

I'll have very little faith in Dumberica should this asshat be put back in office again. . .

and will watch the chaos that insues from there!

proving that he is a uniter not a divider. Then all hell will break loose.

I have been taking outdoor survival classes just in case.

:p

...and the cost of property is relatively cheap. You can get nice home for much less than in most of the U.S.

environmental catastrophe, the rise of totalitarian regimes, the end of medical research, peak oil, tax cuts for the rich, united world opinion against us, social security insolvency, no healtcare for anyone, destruction of the global economy, the return of the "New Coke", Sha-na-na tops the charts with new hip-hop sound, a breakdown in the laws of physics, the burning of witches, increased sunspot activity, and the end of the domestication of the cow! It all depends on this election folks!

Nothing.

Nothing at all. Token protests and whining. But sadly if he chooses to steal it then he will get away with it unless its in plain sight that he stole the election.

the rest of the world will shake their heads at the number of people who believe in bush and the "good" job he is doing

He no longer has to put on a "happy face" to re-selected, so it will be "Batten the hatches" and away we go, kids!

Never-ending war, until the UN gets up a REAL "Coalition" and beats us down. Blue helmets and white tanks on Main Street...

Compulsory church attendence. We must PRAY DAILY for GAWD'S blessings upon our dwindling Army as they get their asses kicked all over the world because of Rumsferatu's "Just in Time (maybe)" doctrine of "Modern War". (Has the fucker ever read "Five Rings"?)

Well, maybe I can get a job as a stud at a soldier-breeding farm...Sure won't be any need for the University I work for in Bush's "Brave New Murkan Century" (Thousand Year Reich)

I don't actually think there'll be rioting in the streets--or if there is, it won't (immediately) change anything.

What I do think is that if he wins, he will live to seriously regret it, and very quickly. It's going to be a clusterfuck on an epic scale. If he's this unpopular *now*...

Sadly, I can say almost the same about a Kerry win (ugly protests, vitriol, big ol' mess after mess awaiting him). But at least Kerry is intelligent and sane, so it gives one some hope.