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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 03:38 PM
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All of this talk about the African American vote having a "shift" to Bush.
Edited on Wed Oct-20-04 03:46 PM by PROGRESSIVE1
is pure B.S! In 2000, Al Gore got 91% to Bush's 9%. I would expect that Bush will get at best 2 more points making it Kerry 89% and Bush 11%.

The idea that Bushie is going to get 20% of the AA vote is ABSURD!!!
This is a bogus trend, so why do the media, especially FOXCNN push this? Simple, it's a setup for when Bush & Company STEAL the election. They can say that they "won" over many more AA voters. Now we all know that this is B.S. but the public listens to sound bytes and they will hear that "I'm Judy Woodruff and up next, President Bush makes inroads with the African American community; Kerry's hold on their votes is not so solid". That meme will stick with the public so when Bush steals Florida and Ohio, it won't look that way to the public eye.

This is the only logical reason that the mediawhores are pushing this crap.

Good thing that JK has his legal team ready!
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 03:39 PM
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1. Yup.
24.


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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 04:00 PM
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2. It's a set up...to cheat the vote Nov. 2 and fool moderate white voters
into thinking Bush is NOT too far to the right if blacks support him.

Total psyops.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 04:02 PM
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3. same poll in 2000 had Gore getting 74 percent of African American vote
but cnn did not mention that. in actual voting al gore of course got 90 percent.
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SoCalDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 04:04 PM
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4. I'm not so sure

I heard it on Air America that Bush was polling 20% of the Black vote. I have no idea how he is doing it, but it may be credible.

Something about older black voters as well as the religious conservative voters turning to Bush.

It's truly sickening.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 05:55 PM
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5. Impossible! Kerry is getting 85% of the AA vote in polls!
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 07:13 PM
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14. In what poll? I've never heard that.
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 06:18 PM
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6. I agree with your bottom line assessment
A 2-3 point net loss compared to 2000. I factured that into my Excel 2004 election model in 2001, before 9/11.

Simply common sense analysis that an incumbent will not lose 90+ percent of a significant voting block, regardless of how devastating his policies are for that group. Familiarity breeds benefit of a doubt in politics, unless the overall favorability rating is horrendous.

Gore overperformed among blacks in 2000, including an astounding 94% among black women. We simpy have to expect a little bit of a drop.

But nowhere near what the media is estimating.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 06:28 PM
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7. Not wringing my hands over it.... BUT
The black friends that I have are NOT voting Bush but they are 40 and up (and seem to have been around the block enough times to know better)

Three sets of my daughter's black schoolmate's parents however (who are for the most part aged 30 to 40)are indeed defecting to the Bush reich! (She polls everyone at school about who their parents are voting for)

I am not sure what their logic is but I was very dismayed.

I know some of them are extremely into the born again scene so maybe that is what the deal is?

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vickie Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 06:34 PM
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8. As a black person I can and will assure you that this is perhaps
the most delusional Bush spin of all. While the black community is certainly not a monolith (we're highly intelligent, free-thinking people), many of us share a disdain for the Dim Son.
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Harlan James Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 06:35 PM
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9. Great Article On The Zogby Site
Blows CNN's pathetic little canard clear out of the water.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=898
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 06:36 PM
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10. I don't believe it for a second. Repub bullsh*t.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 06:37 PM
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11. BUSH VIRTUAL REALITY ALERT!
Please ignore this poll, as it is a product of the Bush empire's Faith-Based Reality Manufacturing Program. Details here.

:headbang:
rocknation
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 07:07 PM
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12. This is part of Rove's disinformation campaign intended to draw media
coverage away from any issues which are relevent to whether Bush should be fired. Rove is good at determining what the media will make a big deal out of and then he fabricates a story for the media to cover. Rove would love the Kerry campaign to spend time talking about this almost as much as he would love democratic voters getting depressed about it.
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Jazzgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 07:12 PM
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13. I already voted....
*shrub did NOT get my vote!
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baltodemvet Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 07:50 PM
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15. You're right--it;s a crock n/t
Edited on Wed Oct-20-04 07:50 PM by baltodemvet
and the twit better not show his face in my side of town (not that he's shown any interest whatsoever!
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mumon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 07:54 PM
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16. No, there's actually another reason. Calm down...
Edited on Wed Oct-20-04 07:55 PM by Kanzeon
Listen up:
The media wants "sticky eyes." It is in the interests of the media to have as close an election as possible, or at least the appearance of that, as that will create uncertainty, and uncertainty of events like this makes them newsworthy.

Of course, they're still spinning utter BS.

I laughed when I saw an article based on that. They had a slight poll movement (within the MOE, I suspect), which undercounted the number of real African American voters.
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